Heitz Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Vic said that Trent has confided to team members that he and Turk just aren't seeing the same things on the field and that he doesn't feel like he's getting all the help and guidance that he needs to be successful. Vic also said that Turk and Van Pelt are a little upset at Trent because some of the things they're putting into the game isn't being executed. I'm sure we'll hear more on this as the year draws to a close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Vic said that Trent has confided to team members that he and Turk just aren't seeing the same things on the field and that he doesn't feel like he's getting all the help and guidance that he needs to be successful. Vic also said that Turk and Van Pelt are a little upset at Trent because some of the things they're putting into the game isn't being executed. I'm sure we'll hear more on this as the year draws to a close... While speculative, this makes sense. I hope Turk and AVP go after the season. They coached JP into the ground and now they are doing the same with TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't know how we'll figure out if it's Trent or Turk... If they're sending in plays based on flawed assumptions, how can they expect Trent to execute? Clearly JP can run it either, but again is it the system or him? With JP, most likely him! Seriously I would love to see Hadman in this O too, just to see if it looks as crappy with him at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 And the travesty that is our franchise continues to deepen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 "Some of the things" like throwing down field and not always taking the checkdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think Trent is experienced enough to override his coordinator and QB coach. He should shutup and listen to them for now. If those ideas fail it shouldn't be on him but when he doesn't execute the plays they send in then it is on him. Did anyone else notice his slump coincided with all the attention he started to get in the media? I think it's possible his head grew bigger than his helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think Trent is experienced enough to override his coordinator and QB coach. He should shutup and listen to them for now. If those ideas fail it shouldn't be on him but when he doesn't execute the plays they send in then it is on him. Did anyone else notice his slump coincided with all the attention he started to get in the media? I think it's possible his head grew bigger than his helmet. Slide started when defenses figured out when you take away the underneath routes that Trent can't play. Rush 3 or 4 and drop 7 or 8 into coverage and TE has looked like a dear in headlights. He also seems totally lost against 3-4 defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 Slide started when defenses figured out when you take away the underneath routes that Trent can't play. Rush 3 or 4 and drop 7 or 8 into coverage and TE has looked like a dear in headlights. He also seems totally lost against 3-4 defenses. Which to me raises the question - is it just that Trent can't read coverage, or that Turk is putting the receivers in such bad positions that Trent really doesn't have a chance on the play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 While speculative, this makes sense. I hope Turk and AVP go after the season. They coached JP into the ground and now they are doing the same with TE. neither one of them was responsible for JP. he quit on the team previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 you gotta put your players in a position where they are comfortable executing your plan and your plays. Schonert doesn't have much of a track record for successful offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 And the travesty that is our franchise continues to deepen. I knew there was something that wasn't right. The players are revolting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 neither one of them was responsible for JP. he quit on the team previously. When did JP quit on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 When did JP quit on the team? That comment was obviously a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I knew there was something that wasn't right. The players are revolting You ain't kidding, they stink on ice. [/History of the World, Part I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 That comment was obviously a joke. Guess I'm just not getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think Trent is experienced enough to override his coordinator and QB coach. He should shutup and listen to them for now. If those ideas fail it shouldn't be on him but when he doesn't execute the plays they send in then it is on him. Did anyone else notice his slump coincided with all the attention he started to get in the media? I think it's possible his head grew bigger than his helmet. i dont think the problem is Trent "not listening" to his coaches. I think the point of Vic/Trent's statement is that they are not providing him with the tutelage needed to grow and further his career. it sounds more like he is saying "i need some REAL help here" and in return he is getting "well, just shut up and run the plays we call". developing an NFL QB is a long and tricky process. one that im not sure Turk and AVP are up to. how well was AVP developed? how well did he develop himself? you have to think that there are some things missing from AVP's "expertise". he might be a good x's and o's guy, or be able to tell you where the open guy "should be" on that play while its on paper, but bringing along the skills needed to EXECUTE is a whole other story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 While speculative, this makes sense. I hope Turk and AVP go after the season. They coached JP into the ground and now they are doing the same with TE. I just hope this entire Staff is gone...Every last one of em.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Yeah I agree, cause our history of running players and coaches out of town has worked so well. Especially when it comes to Offensive Coordinators like Kevin Gilbride. I mean he's done nothing since he left Buffalo....oh wait...nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioniere Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 The common denominator to all of this is that nothing will change until Ralph Wilson dies. The Bills will continue to hire bargain-basement coaches and front office staff, and will continue to get bargain-basement results. We got lucky in the Kelly years because we had Bill Polian and Marv Levy. But before and since, its been a revolving door of amateurs. The result is a club with absolutely no identity that has not sniffed a playoff spot in years. I believe teams are truly a reflection of the personality of their head coaches. The current Bills, like their head coach, are bland and boring. We need to bring in someone with a track record of success, which means actually spending some money. I would hire Bill Cowher as director of football operations, and allow him to pick his own head coach and coaching staff. This would finally give this sorry a$$ club the identity we have sorely lacked since the Super Bowl years. Unfortunately, there is no chance of this happening until Ralph Wilson passes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 read somewhere else that Edwards and Schonert had a tussle in the locker room after the game. anyone confirm/deny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 read somewhere else that Edwards and Schonert had a tussle in the locker room after the game. anyone confirm/deny? After today's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 i dont think the problem is Trent "not listening" to his coaches. I think the point of Vic/Trent's statement is that they are not providing him with the tutelage needed to grow and further his career. it sounds more like he is saying "i need some REAL help here" and in return he is getting "well, just shut up and run the plays we call". developing an NFL QB is a long and tricky process. one that im not sure Turk and AVP are up to. how well was AVP developed? how well did he develop himself? you have to think that there are some things missing from AVP's "expertise". he might be a good x's and o's guy, or be able to tell you where the open guy "should be" on that play while its on paper, but bringing along the skills needed to EXECUTE is a whole other story. It's up to TS and AVP to make this work. Is TE skilled and is it bad coaching? This is AVP's first attempt at QB coaching....I think it's a combination of bad coaching and poor depth....Still can't figure why JP is still on the team, would have loved to see an older, "fatherly" vet come in to help him and give us a shot to win when TE gets hurt....Don't think GH can fill the bill here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 The common denominator to all of this is that nothing will change until Ralph Wilson dies. ... You mean things will change after the Bills leave Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 After today's game? apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 apparently. Wow. Trent finally had it, huh? Must have slapped Turk with one of his gloves and challenged him to a duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 read somewhere else that Edwards and Schonert had a tussle in the locker room after the game. So THAT'S when he got the groin injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 What'd Turk say? "Hey, Trent the deep ball is wide open all day." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 read somewhere else that Edwards and Schonert had a tussle in the locker room after the game. anyone confirm/deny? Anyone else hear anything on this was it just rumor/BS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think Trent is experienced enough to override his coordinator and QB coach. He should shutup and listen to them for now. If those ideas fail it shouldn't be on him but when he doesn't execute the plays they send in then it is on him. Did anyone else notice his slump coincided with all the attention he started to get in the media? I think it's possible his head grew bigger than his helmet. I don't like Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't like Trent. Who is the smartest genius? Ivy League Dick, Stanford Turk, or Stanford Trent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Who is the smartest genius? Ivy League Dick, Stanford Turk, or Stanford Trent? Larry, Curley or Moe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 "Some of the things" like throwing down field and not always taking the checkdown? COMMANDER CHECKDOWN TO THE RESCUE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 TE has looked like a dear in headlights. He also seems totally lost against 3-4 defenses. it's a really good thing we don't face many of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Not sure how you can expect a QB with his head in the sand and an OC getting lost on his way to the Press Box to see eye to eye on much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Not sure how you can expect a QB with his head in the sand and an OC getting lost on his way to the Press Box to see eye to eye on much. U R cracking me the h*ll up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Its gotta be the coaching. Trents best drive of his career, was the first drive of his career. Came in against the Pats last year, drove them straight down the field for a touchdown. And, I may be mistaken and it happened later in the game, but he ran the no huddle, on his first NFL drive. Its been down hill from there over the long run. He regressed a lot over his rookie year, and totally regressed this year. It seems the more time away from the Bills he has, the better he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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