4th Round Selection 2: Derek Fine TE Kansas

[stuckincincy]

Yeah you did just Fine

 

 

hahaha

 

Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine"...

 

[Bob in STL]

After such a promising first 4 picks and our TE was there.

 

 

Who was our TE?

[Stl Bills]

No More GAYhawks please

[In space no one can hear]

This pick certainly isn't inspiring

 

Don't you dare tell me everything will be fine!

[Chicken Wing '73]

Check out who he is bowling over in this one...

 

http://media.kusports.com/img/wallpapers/2...ne_1024x768.jpg

 

I thought that guy played for the Armidillos.

[Risin]

I agree you may be looking at our future fullback

 

 

What about the scouting reports that call him a "sub-par blocker" ?

[Huuuge Bills]

DAMNIT!!! I was wishing that I would have heard of every player we drafted today! But because I don't know who they are, I'm just going to get mad for NO REASON!!

 

Me too, Marv's old!

 

That'll show em.

[DanInSouthBuffalo]

Reminds me of Derek Schouman who is already on the Bills roster. I thought they might address line depth. Oh well........

[Peter]

According to the reports, he has great hands and runs precise routes.

 

I also recall that he was very productive for KU.

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

I does kind of remind me of Chris Cooley.

[K-Gun10]

Why Not Owen Schmitt?

[JPicc2114]

What about the scouting reports that call him a "sub-par blocker" ?

 

 

 

lets see one

[Bob in STL]

I'm not upset, but I think the people who are feel we are drafting projected 7th rounders in the 4th.

 

Correct ... People are reading the draft projections. Both of our 4th rounders were projected as 7th or UDFA.

 

You never know? I trust Modrak and the coaches more than the people who write the draft marketing data.

[Steely Dan]

Sorry but the last 2 picks have sucked (both should have been 7th-UDFA) with the DE pick not that bad

 

I agree 100% I'm mystified by this draft so far. Every pick after Leodis McKelvin has some problem associated with them that makes them a questionable pick IMO.

 

TE | (6'2", 251, 4.849) | KANSAS

Scouts Grade: 35

 

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position

 

Strengths: Hybrid capable of lining up at both the tight end and fullback position. Quick off the ball and able to avoid contact working against press coverage. Does a good job of selling the run and gets into the flats quickly off play action. Smooth, runs clean routes and is at best getting open underneath. Has a wide frame and does a nice job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball. Possesses an understanding of how to attack defenders and set up breaks. Appears to read defenses well and does a nice job of finding open areas working against zone coverage. Gives great effort as an in-line blocker and is relentless once in position. Takes sound angles to blocks, flashes the ability to adjust to the moving target in space and can get into position at the second level. Is as effective lead blocking from the backfield as he is lined up at tight end and is somewhat versatile.

 

Weaknesses: Lacks top-end speed and isn't going to stretch the middle of the field. Lacks the overall strength to consistently sustain blocks, loses balance at times and is seen on the ground a lot. Does not have great body control and struggles to adjust to passes thrown outside frame.

 

Overall: Fine signed with Kansas in 2002 but didn't enroll because of an injury. After redshirting the 2003 season, he played in all 35 of the Jayhawks' games (19 starts) over the next three years (2004-06'), collecting 52 receptions for 615 yards (11.8 average) and six touchdowns. Fine played in all 13 games (10 starts) as a senior, hauling in 46 catches for 394 yards (8.6 average) and four touchdowns. He also was a productive contributor on special teams coverage units during his career (11 tackles, 10 assists). Bottom line: Fine is versatile enough to provide depth for a team that likes to use H-Backs but he doesn't have prototypical speed or power so he projects as a seventh round pick.

 

Linkage

 

This draft is a C so far in my opinion.

[Beerball]

Maybe he'll turn out to be a fine blocking back for Marshawn?

 

Well, that' fine as long as there aren't off field issues, he's really walking a fine line. Drafted where he was a fine could really hurt his pocketbook.

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

I agree 100% I'm mystified by this draft so far. Every pick after Leodis McKelvin has some problem associated with them that makes them a questionable pick IMO.

 

TE | (6'2", 251, 4.849) | KANSAS

Scouts Grade: 35

 

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position

 

Strengths: Hybrid capable of lining up at both the tight end and fullback position. Quick off the ball and able to avoid contact working against press coverage. Does a good job of selling the run and gets into the flats quickly off play action. Smooth, runs clean routes and is at best getting open underneath. Has a wide frame and does a nice job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball. Possesses an understanding of how to attack defenders and set up breaks. Appears to read defenses well and does a nice job of finding open areas working against zone coverage. Gives great effort as an in-line blocker and is relentless once in position. Takes sound angles to blocks, flashes the ability to adjust to the moving target in space and can get into position at the second level. Is as effective lead blocking from the backfield as he is lined up at tight end and is somewhat versatile.

 

Weaknesses: Lacks top-end speed and isn't going to stretch the middle of the field. Lacks the overall strength to consistently sustain blocks, loses balance at times and is seen on the ground a lot. Does not have great body control and struggles to adjust to passes thrown outside frame.

 

Overall: Fine signed with Kansas in 2002 but didn't enroll because of an injury. After redshirting the 2003 season, he played in all 35 of the Jayhawks' games (19 starts) over the next three years (2004-06'), collecting 52 receptions for 615 yards (11.8 average) and six touchdowns. Fine played in all 13 games (10 starts) as a senior, hauling in 46 catches for 394 yards (8.6 average) and four touchdowns. He also was a productive contributor on special teams coverage units during his career (11 tackles, 10 assists). Bottom line: Fine is versatile enough to provide depth for a team that likes to use H-Backs but he doesn't have prototypical speed or power so he projects as a seventh round pick.

 

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This draft is a C so far in my opinion.

Still going with an A- or B+. We've addressed our needs and I think Fine will be a fine young player for us.

[Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail]

I think a lot of this is special teams driven. You have to remember, we lost Wire, Haggen, Stamer and Aiken. We need to replenish our special teams. I think it's a good thing that the team is conscious of this.

[Marv Levy]

He's just the kind of player Steve Fairchild looks for

 

Please don't say that last name on this board anymore, please

[Mike formerly from Florida]

I think a lot of this is special teams driven. You have to remember, we lost Wire, Haggen, Stamer and Aiken. We need to replenish our special teams. I think it's a good thing that the team is conscious of this.

 

 

Very good point.

[OCinBuffalo]

I think a lot of this is special teams driven. You have to remember, we lost Wire, Haggen, Stamer and Aiken. We need to replenish our special teams. I think it's a good thing that the team is conscious of this.

Yeah, those guys were the core of why we have had the best or top 3 special teams units for the last few years. If we want to have any chance against the Pats*, Chargers, etc. we have to beat them in that phase of the game. And Moorman has to have a better year....

 

That's 4 guys to replace too, not just 1 or 2

[The Senator]

Ok, let me get this straight. People are upset because the 9th or 10th TE chosen in the draft is not projected to be the next Antonio Gates?

 

You people slay me.

Well said, eball. In fact, if he does turn out to be another Antonio Gates, the critics on this board will then say Fine was a 'reach' in the 4th round 'cause, after all, Gates was undrafted!

 

Not saying he's gonna be another Gates, but he'll be Fine.

[Thunderstealer]

Special teams dynamo.

[Ramius]

Sorry but the last 2 picks have sucked (both should have been 7th-UDFA) with the DE pick not that bad

 

And who decided this? i know, you read Billy Joe's draft website that he publishes from mom's basement, and that should have been the official draft list of the bills.

 

But, i am guessing that the NFL front office guys might know a bit more than the average schmuck who publishes a mock draft.

[Fan in San Diego]

All you Kellen Davis people need to realize this, there is a reason he is in a free fall.

 

But why did Fine freefall ?

[Steely Dan]

And who decided this? i know, you read Billy Joe's draft website that he publishes from mom's basement, and that should have been the official draft list of the bills.

 

But, i am guessing that the NFL front office guys might know a bit more than the average schmuck who publishes a mock draft.

 

I agree, but it makes a person wonder when every public draft source has him listed as a 7th rounder. If he was projected as a 5th round pick by those sources I'd say big deal, but that's not the case.

 

BTW, Can we please stop with fine puns. You guys are walking a fine line with going overboard.

[Ramius]

I agree, but it makes a person wonder when every public draft source has him listed as a 7th rounder. If he was projected as a 5th round pick by those sources I'd say big deal, but that's not the case.

 

BTW, Can we please stop with fine puns. You guys are walking a fine line with going overboard.

 

I dont care where any "experts" had them ranked. Here we are in round 5, and i see a good number of "projected" 2nd and 3rd rounders still on the draft board. Thsi tells me that the experts really have no clue what they are talking about. And if they can overrate players by 3-4 rounds, then can underrate them by that much as well.

 

i'll stop with the puns when posters stop with the "we didnt draft position X, so we are going to suck" posts.

[UHSLA]

So they basically just drafted Neufeld, but ten years younger? That makes good sense...

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

So they basically just drafted Neufeld, but ten years younger? That makes good sense...

Actually, I see a Chris Cooley in Fine.

[Steely Dan]

I dont care where any "experts" had them ranked. Here we are in round 5, and i see a good number of "projected" 2nd and 3rd rounders still on the draft board. Thsi tells me that the experts really have no clue what they are talking about. And if they can overrate players by 3-4 rounds, then can underrate them by that much as well.

 

i'll stop with the puns when posters stop with the "we didnt draft position X, so we are going to suck" posts.

 

Ok, you win this one.

 

As far as the puns go I guess you have no intention of ever stopping them. I'll just deal with it. Don't worry I'll be fine.

[Stenbar]

Again, I think he'll surprise all you nay sayers!

What makes you think that?

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

What makes you think that?

Because he's going to catch the ball well and block just as good as some of our linemen. I see Jason Peters in him.

[Dwight Drane]

Actually, I see a Chris Cooley in Fine.

 

You see a Fine Cooley? Hit that thing!

[Stenbar]

Because he's going to catch the ball well and block just as good as some of our linemen. I see Jason Peters in him.

I havent seen him play one down...As a matter of fact I didnt even know who he was..Can he get down the seams and make those seam route catches?

[Sisyphean Bills]

I havent seen him play one down...As a matter of fact I didnt even know who he was..Can he get down the seams and make those seam route catches?

 

No. http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/derek-fine?id=1068

 

He is great at the 12 inch dump offs, though.

[UticaBill]

YEAH! a Blocking tight end / Half back!!! Finally the Bills front office wakes up and fills a need!!!! WoOoooOOooOOoT!

 

NOT!

[stinky finger]

Isn't this guy exactly what we need? NFL.com says he "moves the chains"... he had 46 receptions last year.

You clearly misinterpreted......."moves the chains".....as in, the guy who wears the orange vest on the sidelines who....."moves the chains".

 

I've lost my place....what round did the FO start losing touch?

[In space no one can hear]

I haven't read this thread,has anyone said that this pick sucked?

 

If not, consider it done.

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

I haven't read this thread,has anyone said that this pick sucked?

 

If not, consider it done.

Always negative about everything I see.

[justnzane]

Always negative about everything I see.

Yeah, but look at his sig, he is a Cubs fan. I'd be negative about everything if my baseball team hasn't won in a century and my football team is overdue as well

[***PetrinoInAlbany***]

Yeah, I've read all the stuff about him being a projected seventh-rounder. But I'll tell you what ... the Bills didn't spend a fourth round pick on this guy because they DIDN'T know something. I am going into this one saying I trust our personnel people. This'll be a nice little litmus test. The word I keep reading is "versatile" ... supposedly he has the potential to play a little H-back and/or pure fullback.