I dont care about his numbers.....my hat goes

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Yes, it was a win.  But that win had more to do with Culpepper's implosion and Buffalo's overall performance on defense, special teams, and the running game than it did with the passing game.  Losman averaged 4.6 yards per attempt yesterday, which isn't exactly what you want from your quarterback.  Trent Dilfer's career average is 6.6 yards per attempt.

 

As for Losman's pretty rating . . . last year people complained that Holcomb would inflate his rating by throwing five yard passes on 3rd and 13.  Well guess what?  Losman had 11 completions yesterday.  Of those 11, three were 3rd down completions that were short of the first down marker.

 

On 3rd and 12, Losman completed an 8 yard pass to Josh Reed.  Later he faced 3rd and 8, and completed a 6 yard pass to McGahee.  At another point he faced 3rd and 14, and completed a ten yard pass to Peerless Price.  Those three plays represent 27% of his completions, and 28% of his passing yardage. 

 

Did Losman embarrass himself?  No.  He didn't turn the ball over or do anything to lose the game.  On the other hand, he didn't do much to help win the game either.  Against an imploding Culpepper, an overmatched Mularkey, and the Dolphins' horse manure offensive line, the Bills didn't really need much of a passing game to win.  Not all our opponents will be this easy.

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JDG is that you?

[RuntheDamnBall]

Did Losman embarrass himself?  No.  He didn't turn the ball over or do anything to lose the game.  On the other hand, he didn't do much to help win the game either.

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Right. Because that fifty yard pass that led to the TD must have come from nowhere. if that pass isn't on target, there's no interference. And throwing the red-zone TD to follow, certainly cake. Tell it to Mike "King Inside the 20" Mularkey.

 

And JP really should have better control of Josh Reed on Roscoe's called-back TD.

 

The kid made plays. Circumstances were weird yesterday, certainly. But he did a good enough job to win and yesterday's numbers lie in a way that suits the detractors.

[Orton's Arm]

Of course, Roethlisberger's two worst passing days in his career so far were 93 yards and 133 yards in 26 games.    Yesterday was Losman's fourth game with less than 133 yards in 11 games. 

Just to add to this, Roethlisberger's career average is 8.9 yards per attempt, as opposed to the 4.6 yards per attempt Losman had yesterday.

[Ramius]

Yes, it was a win.  But that win had more to do with Culpepper's implosion and Buffalo's overall performance on defense, special teams, and the running game than it did with the passing game.  Losman averaged 4.6 yards per attempt yesterday, which isn't exactly what you want from your quarterback.  Trent Dilfer's career average is 6.6 yards per attempt.

 

As for Losman's pretty rating . . . last year people complained that Holcomb would inflate his rating by throwing five yard passes on 3rd and 13.  Well guess what?  Losman had 11 completions yesterday.  Of those 11, three were 3rd down completions that were short of the first down marker.

 

On 3rd and 12, Losman completed an 8 yard pass to Josh Reed.  Later he faced 3rd and 8, and completed a 6 yard pass to McGahee.  At another point he faced 3rd and 14, and completed a ten yard pass to Peerless Price.  Those three plays represent 27% of his completions, and 28% of his passing yardage. 

 

Did Losman embarrass himself?  No.  He didn't turn the ball over or do anything to lose the game.  On the other hand, he didn't do much to help win the game either.  Against an imploding Culpepper, an overmatched Mularkey, and the Dolphins' horse manure offensive line, the Bills didn't really need much of a passing game to win.  Not all our opponents will be this easy.

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i love watching douche's like you and JDG go out of your way to irrationally criticize losman. You sound like the friggin national media by saying it was everything but JP that caused the bils to win.

 

I'm waiting for you to come with some assinine arguement now, about how JP's yards per 2nd and 2-4 yards per completion per sunday in the eastern time zone is 5.8932487534% while holcomb's is 6.

 

Do what i have told others. Reach down. Firmly grasp your neck. give a tug, and please please please pull your head out of your ass before you watch the next game.

[East Brady]

Yes, it was a win.  But that win had more to do with Culpepper's implosion and Buffalo's overall performance on defense, special teams, and the running game than it did with the passing game.  Losman averaged 4.6 yards per attempt yesterday, which isn't exactly what you want from your quarterback.  Trent Dilfer's career average is 6.6 yards per attempt.

 

As for Losman's pretty rating . . . last year people complained that Holcomb would inflate his rating by throwing five yard passes on 3rd and 13.  Well guess what?  Losman had 11 completions yesterday.  Of those 11, three were 3rd down completions that were short of the first down marker.

 

On 3rd and 12, Losman completed an 8 yard pass to Josh Reed.  Later he faced 3rd and 8, and completed a 6 yard pass to McGahee.  At another point he faced 3rd and 14, and completed a ten yard pass to Peerless Price.  Those three plays represent 27% of his completions, and 28% of his passing yardage. 

 

Did Losman embarrass himself?  No.  He didn't turn the ball over or do anything to lose the game.  On the other hand, he didn't do much to help win the game either.  Against an imploding Culpepper, an overmatched Mularkey, and the Dolphins' horse manure offensive line, the Bills didn't really need much of a passing game to win.  Not all our opponents will be this easy.

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But the funny thing is, if this was Holcomb you'd be totally stroking yourself allday long over your percieved genius..... I'll take the road win and the threat of the deep ball.....

[MikeSpeed]

Did anyone see Holcomb giving JP congrads when he was forced to throw a the ball away because of pressure? Kudos to Holcomb for being a team player!

 

Also I loved that WR screen or whatever you call it pass play to Parish even though the TD didn't count. It's a play I've seen used against us many times, but can't remember us ever running it, at least not like that.

[East Brady]

Did anyone see Holcomb giving JP congrads when he was forced to throw a the ball away because of pressure? Kudos to Holcomb for being a team player!

 

Also I loved that WR screen or whatever you call it pass play to Parish even though the TD didn't count. It's a play I've seen used against us many times, but can't remember us ever running it, at least not like that.

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I was thinking the same thing and that was happening everytime JP came off the field after making good plays .....This is Big Dickey J's team and it's showing......

 

JP has a solid Holcomb like day and Holcombs Arm is complaining....go figure????

[Orton's Arm]

Right.  Because that fifty yard pass that led to the TD must have come from nowhere.  if that pass isn't on target, there's no interference.  And throwing the red-zone TD to follow, certainly cake.  Tell it to Mike "King Inside the 20" Mularkey. 

 

And JP really should have better control of Josh Reed on Roscoe's called-back TD. 

 

The kid made plays.  Circumstances were weird yesterday, certainly.  But he did a good enough job to win and yesterday's numbers lie in a way that suits the detractors.

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You seem in a more logical and less emotional mood than most of Losman's supporters here, so I'll respond to you. I personally felt the pass to Evans was overthrown, but that it was within the realm of possibility that Evans could have caught it anyway. If there's even a small chance the WR could have caught it, the official has to throw the flag. But obviously, there's no way to be sure about what would have happened on that play had the defender not interfered.

 

I'll grant Losman did the right thing on his TD pass. It was a mistake-free play, albeit an unspectacular one.

 

You bring up the penalty on Josh Reed. Well, the other quarterbacks to whom I've compared Losman had to deal with big plays being called back due to penalties also. Yet over their careers they achieved dramatically higher yards per attempt averages than Losman had yesterday. In any case, that play to Roscoe was mostly about what Roscoe could do after the catch when the blocking was good. The quarterback puts the ball into some guy's hands when he's, say, five yards down the field, and the guy runs for another 20 - 30 yards or whatever it was. It was a good call and (other than the penalty) nicely executed, but not really something where you'd say, "Oh wow! What a blessing it's Losman back there and not some other quarterback."

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Just to add to this, Roethlisberger's career average is 8.9 yards per attempt, as opposed to the 4.6 yards per attempt Losman had yesterday.

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Yeah. Comparing a career average to one game. That's statistically valid.

[Chilly]

Yeah.  Comparing a career average to one game.  That's statistically valid. 

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lol, Owned.

[Bill from NYC]

  In any case, that play to Roscoe was mostly about what Roscoe could do after the catch when the blocking was good.  The quarterback puts the ball into some guy's hands when he's, say, five yards down the field, and the guy runs for another 20 - 30 yards or whatever it was.  It was a good call and (other than the penalty) nicely executed, but not really something where you'd say, "Oh wow!  What a blessing it's Losman back there and not some other quarterback."

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How many of Jim Kelly's lifetime passing yards were accumulated by the exact same play that you decribed, while tossing quick slants and outs to Thurman? I fail to see why every pass has to be ESPN Highlight material.

 

Look, I have concerns with JP. Why should't I? He is a kid. Still, you should keep it real. He looks better than last year, we are 1-1, and on the way to RWS for our home opener against the jests.

 

Not that tough to take from where I sit.

[Orton's Arm]

Yeah.  Comparing a career average to one game.  That's statistically valid. 

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I was responding to the people who said Losman's performance yesterday was Roethlisberger-like or Dilfer-like. It wasn't anywhere close--at least not according to the yards per attempt stat.

 

In any case, the Bills' defense, while vastly improved, is still nowhere nearly as good as the Ravens of 2000 defense. So the Bills will need to be better than the Ravens of 2000 in some other way--such as quarterback--if they're going to win the Super Bowl. Can Losman be better than Dilfer? Time will tell, but he certainly didn't do anything yesterday to prove he could be. That's all I was getting at.

[Orton's Arm]

How many of Jim Kelly's lifetime passing yards were accumulated by the exact same play that you decribed, while tossing quick slants and outs to Thurman? I fail to see why every pass has to be ESPN Highlight material.

Look, all I was getting at was that if Losman was going to have a big play taken away from him due to a penalty, it may as well be a play which had more to do with good blocking/YAC than with good quarterbacking.

 

I agree Losman did a better job yesterday of avoiding mistakes than what he did last year. That's the biggest difference I see between this year and last year. But in avoiding mistakes, is he also avoiding the gambles that sometimes led to big plays? Yesterday's passing game was very lackluster even by Dilfer's standards, and I hope that whichever quarterback the Bills choose to go with over the long term is able to be more productive than Losman was yesterday. That's all I was getting at.

 

But overall, I feel this is a vastly improved team, especially on defense. The offensive line still needs work; though it did have a good first half against New England.

[Risin]

Look, all I was getting at was that if Losman was going to have a big play taken away from him due to a penalty, it may as well be a play which had more to do with good blocking/YAC than with good quarterbacking. 

 

I agree Losman did a better job yesterday of avoiding mistakes than what he did last year.  That's the biggest difference I see between this year and last year.  But in avoiding mistakes, is he also avoiding the gambles that sometimes led to big plays?  Yesterday's passing game was very lackluster even by Dilfer's standards, and I hope that whichever quarterback the Bills choose to go with over the long term is able to be more productive than Losman was yesterday.  That's all I was getting at. 

 

But overall, I feel this is a vastly improved team, especially on defense.  The offensive line still needs work; though it did have a good first half against New England.

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Don't waste your breath.

 

Nobody takes what you, and a couple of others say seriously, when it comes to the QB position.

 

Some of you are bias, the others just plain moronic.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

I think there are times when I'm an unreasonable fan. But overanalyzing yesterday's game as it relates to JP's performance is a mistake. Evan's had a play on the ball down the sidelines and didn't make it. He had a shot at another one across the middle and missed that one. The interference was called because it was the right call, clearly, and the worst thing you can say about the pass was it would have been close. The TD toss to Parrish was called back, but it was a completion and it would have padded the stats. The way I see, the swing if those plays break our way is another few completions and 60 or 70 more yards passing for JP. While it didn't go that way, we won the game.

 

The defense has given us two chances in two game to compete, we won yesterday and lost last week. Brady and the Pats scored 24 points yesterday, and Miami scored 17 against the defending world champs last week.

 

More work is needed, but it's trending in the right direction.

[Orton's Arm]

Nobody takes what you,  and a couple of others say seriously,  when it comes to the QB position.

 

Some of you are bias,  the others just plain moronic.

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I see you're attempting to start a flame war. I would have taken your attempt more seriously had it not been for the last sentence. "Some of you are bias, the others just plain moronic." Before you call other people moronic, you might want to start writing correctly yourself.

[Risin]

I see you're attempting to start a flame war.  I would have taken your attempt more seriously had it not been for the last sentence.  "Some of you are bias, the others just plain moronic."  Before you call other people moronic, you might want to start writing correctly yourself.

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Just telling it like it is, NOBODY respects your opinion on the subject of QB.

 

Sorry if this is news to you.

[jad1]

I was responding to the people who said Losman's performance yesterday was Roethlisberger-like or Dilfer-like.  It wasn't anywhere close--at least not according to the yards per attempt stat.

 

In any case, the Bills' defense, while vastly improved, is still nowhere nearly as good as the Ravens of 2000 defense.  So the Bills will need to be better than the Ravens of 2000 in some other way--such as quarterback--if they're going to win the Super Bowl.  Can Losman be better than Dilfer?  Time will tell, but he certainly didn't do anything yesterday to prove he could be.  That's all I was getting at.

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Since when is YPC the measuring stick for a Roethlisberger-type performance?

 

Do you have a sliding scale? What's the YPC for a Kelly-like performance?

 

No turnovers, a TD pass, a 50-yard PI call, and a WIN on the road in the division (when was the last time that happened?) is enough for me to say this was an excellent outing by Losman, among others on the team. Why anyone would give two sh*ts about YPC under these circumstances is beyond me.

 

I'm just relieved that Losman hasn't turned any of the DBs he's faced into his own personal Ty Law.

 

Save the over-analysis for your posting orgy after the next Bills loss. Boy, I wonder who you'll blame?

[Orton's Arm]

 

Just telling it like it is,  NOBODY respects your opinion on the subject of QB.

 

Sorry if this is news to you.

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Funny. I must have missed the part where you were elected to speak for the whole board. I'm sure you speak for yourself, and for Ramius, and a few other core Losman supporters. But there are others who partially or wholly agree with me, or else are actually capable of showing a little respect even when opinions differ.

[Orton's Arm]

Since when is YPC the measuring stick for a Roethlisberger-type performance?

 

Do you have a sliding scale?  What's the YPC for a Kelly-like performance?

 

No turnovers, a TD pass, a 50-yard PI call, and a WIN on the road in the division (when was the last time that happened?) is enough for me to say this was an excellent outing by Losman, among others on the team.  Why anyone would give two sh*ts about YPC under these circumstances is beyond me.

 

I'm just relieved that Losman hasn't turned any of the DBs he's faced into his own personal Ty Law.

 

Save the over-analysis for your posting orgy after the next Bills loss. Boy, I wonder who you'll blame?

I may as well respond to a little of this. I gave Losman credit for avoiding any major mistakes, but blame for not having produced much. In general I think yards per attempt is a better measure of production than is quarterback rating; but I'll try to save that issue for another time.

 

The yards per attempt for a Holcomb-like performance is 6.7 if you base it on Holcomb's whole career, or 6.6 if you base it on what he did in 2005. Either way, Losman's 4.6 yards per attempt falls well short. I know it's easy to take a rosy view of the team as a whole in light of the fact the Bills won. But the offensive line didn't play well, and there aren't many positive things you can say about Losman's performance beyond the fact he avoided mistakes.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Don't waste your breath.

 

Nobody takes what you,  and a couple of others say seriously,  when it comes to the QB position.

 

Some of you are bias,  the others just plain moronic.

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Why is it that anyone who presents a point-of-view that isn't pro-Losman, they can expect to have both their allegiance to the team and their intelligence brought into question?

 

I myself like Losman and I think we've found our quarterback. I can't really explain it, I get confidence more in watching him than in anything I see in the numbers. I liked his performance against Miami, and I think alot of the lack of passing yards people are complaining about comes from the 2nd half play-calling, which involved us going into a shell. That play-calling cost us the New England game, but Miami is so bad they couldn't take advantage of it.

 

In the future, we're going to have take shots downfield every once in awhile or teams will overcome us in the 2nd half as the Pats did. Once we decide to open things up a bit, you'll see JP's yardage totals closer to that of Roethlisberger. The one deep ball we did try against Miami resulted in a long pass interference call. This team can throw deep, and once they do so consistently JP's stats will resemble that of a real quarterback.

 

Patience, Holcomb's Arm. Let the coaching staff bring things along slowly.

[Risin]

Why is it that anyone who presents a point-of-view that isn't pro-Losman, they can expect to have both their allegiance to the team and their intelligence brought into question?

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You haven't been here long enough to understand, in regards to this poster.

[John from Riverside]

The thing that I will never understand from the detractors of Losman is this.....

 

When he plays the gunslinger.....throws the ball all over the place...runs all over the place....and the team LOSES then he sucks because he isn't managing the game......

 

When he plays conserv and uses his run game, makes throws when they are needed, and doesn't turn the ball over then we need "MORE PRODUCTION"

 

I mean....WTF....

 

In game one Losman goes into patriot land and he (and his team) damn near pull out a win.....shocking everyone

 

In game two Losman (and his team) go into finland and nearly blank the home team (which we do not do well against at this time of year) and plays mistake free ball coming out with a win.....

 

What is going to happen in game 3? If in game 3 Losman goes in and does exactly what he did in game 1 and 2 and comes out with a win are the detractors still gonna B word?

 

The TRUE answer is those detractors are waiting for JPL to have BAD game (which he will probably have in the near future) and then they will be reaming him up and down.....

 

Folks....this team is doing better then most realized (I thought with some lucky bounces we could go 9-7) but most were talking about who we were going to pick with the first pick of next years draft.....

 

The team is exactly what I thought it was going to be....a young scrappy team that is making it fun to watch but will not go to the show this year......

[Risin]

Funny.  I must have missed the part where you were elected to speak for the whole board.  I'm sure you speak for yourself, and for Ramius, and a few other core Losman supporters.  But there are others who partially or wholly agree with me, or else are actually capable of showing a little respect even when opinions differ.

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I have zero respect for you.

 

I'm a Bills fan, not a Losman supporter. (I think I could say the same about most who post here)

 

Finally, you have shown yourself to be a Losman hater first and foremost. I have zero respect for trolls like you, and wish you'd either pipe down, or take a hike.

 

Being a free country, I have no choice whether you post or not. From here on out, I will refuse to respond to anymore of your extra chromosome laced posts.

[JDG]

Why is it that anyone who presents a point-of-view that isn't pro-Losman, they can expect to have both their allegiance to the team and their intelligence brought into question?

 

If only we could know!

 

 

In the future, we're going to have take shots downfield every once in awhile or teams will overcome us in the 2nd half as the Pats did. Once we decide to open things up a bit, you'll see JP's yardage totals closer to that of Roethlisberger. The one deep ball we did try against Miami resulted in a long pass interference call. This team can throw deep, and once they do so consistently JP's stats will resemble that of a real quarterback.

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The Bills actually attempted at least two deep pass plays in the Miami game. I don't know how many times you think teams are supposed to throw the deep ball, but given the way that game went, two seems like plenty. We aren't the St. Louis Rams.

 

JDG

[l< j]

First off, let me say that I think Losman played better than his 80+ passing yards on the day would seem to indicate.  Still, the pass to Evans was a little overthrown, and I didn't think he would have caught it even without the pass interference.

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Just watched the replays on nfl.com: that was 6 pts all the way, IMO.

 

kj

[JDG]

The thing that I will never understand from the detractors of Losman is this.....

 

When he plays the gunslinger.....throws the ball all over the place...runs all over the place....and the team LOSES then he sucks because he isn't managing the game......

 

When he plays conserv and uses his run game, makes throws when they are needed, and doesn't turn the ball over then we need "MORE PRODUCTION"

 

I mean....WTF....

 

In game one Losman goes into patriot land and he (and his team) damn near pull out a win.....shocking everyone

 

In game two Losman (and his team) go into finland and nearly blank the home team (which we do not do well against at this time of year) and plays mistake free ball coming out with a win.....

 

What is going to happen in game 3?  If in game 3 Losman goes in and does exactly what he did in game 1 and 2 and comes out with a win are the detractors still gonna B word?

 

The TRUE answer is those detractors are waiting for JPL to have BAD game (which he will probably have in the near future) and then they will be reaming him up and down.....

 

Folks....this team is doing better then most realized (I thought with some lucky bounces we could go 9-7) but most were talking about who we were going to pick with the first pick of next years draft.....

 

The team is exactly what I thought it was going to be....a young scrappy team that is making it fun to watch but will not go to the show this year......

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John:

 

I'm totally excited about beating Miami (one of the two most important games of the season.) I predicted 9-7 for the Bills this year, with a possible shot at the playoffs if we could "steal" one of our two opening road division games. Well, we've now done that (and should have stolen both!)

 

Here's the thing with your Losman conundrum. If Losman is playing the gunslinger, and not playing well, and we lose - he's naturally going to be criticized. What concerned me about the Miami game is that by my observations of the game, the coaches made a mid-game adjustment to take the game out of Losman's hands as much as possible. After the first couple series, they tried to call as many pass plays as possible did not require Losman to make decisions - swings, screens, quick slants, and the occasional bomb. Great coaching move (it won us the game), and kudos to Losman for not messing that up (but you'd have to be really bad to mess that up, eh?) You'll just have to forgive me for not getting *excited* about it.

 

Let me put it this way - Losman's performance thus far in 2006 has been compared to Trent Dilfer's for the 2000 Ravens. Its an interesting point. But really, did we invest a 1st, a 2nd, and a 5th round pick into JP Losman to get Trent Dilfer circa 2000? My thinking is that we invested those picks in Losman in order to put the game into the hands of the guy, not to be taking the game out of his hands. If we wanted to do that, we could have signed Damon Huard (18 of 23 for 133 yards - albeit with 2 fumbles, one lost, in a tough road game in Denver against a very good defense) and saved some serious draft picks.

 

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd like to believe that it is possible to be:

a) excited as heck about beating Miami on the road, and

b) concerned that Losman doesn't appear to be where we would want him to be at this stage of his development, given his contract, his draft status, and our other options at QB

 

all at the same time.

 

JDG

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

[

 

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd like to believe that it is possible to be:

a) excited as heck about beating Miami on the road, and

b) concerned that Losman doesn't appear to be where we would want him to be at this stage of his development, given his contract, his draft status, and our other options at QB

 

all at the same time.

 

JDG

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You've taken time to write a pretty thorough analysis. Everything written seems fair. As an objective person, the only issue I'd take is that if you're going to keep a Losman meter, it should be updated to be accurate. It's like Dan Blather and his report on the President a while back--it might all be true, but but your motives come into question when certain facts are inaccurate...

 

And regarding his development and where we would want him to be---I'd agree it'd be nice to see him further down the road, but that team last year was in shambles.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

The Bills actually attempted at least two deep pass plays in the Miami game.    I don't know how many times you think teams are supposed to throw the deep ball, but given the way that game went, two seems like plenty.  We aren't the St. Louis Rams.

 

JDG

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Come on now, the playcalling in the 2nd half was easily too conservative. I don't think they threw a deep ball the whole half, but let's forget about the deep ball. They weren't even throwing the intermediate routes anymore. There was a time in the late 3rd where I found myself whining at the TV to just throw one ball somewhere downfield. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bomb, just something to create some space in the defense. This way they can't crowd the line and each individual Dolphin won't be looking for the run every play. This will help McGahee in the 2nd half, too.

 

Against the Dolphins it didn't matter that we went into our shell, but in the coming weeks at some point the coaches will have to let JP do his thing in the 2nd half. As I've said, ultra-conservative 2nd half playcalling has already cost us 1 game this year. Also, when we do continue throwing intermediate-deep routes once in awhile into 2nd halves, we will account for Holcomb's Arm's yardage difference between Losman's numbers and a Dilfer/Roethlisberger type of game.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Come on now, the playcalling in the 2nd half was easily too conservative. I don't think they threw a deep ball the whole half, but let's forget about the deep ball. They weren't even throwing the intermediate routes anymore. There was a time in the late 3rd where I found myself whining at the TV to just throw one ball somewhere downfield. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bomb, just something to create some space in the defense. This way they can't crowd the line and each individual Dolphin won't be looking for the run every play. This will help McGahee in the 2nd half, too.

 

Against the Dolphins it didn't matter that we went into our shell, but in the coming weeks at some point the coaches will have to let JP do his thing in the 2nd half. As I've said, ultra-conservative 2nd half playcalling has already cost us 1 game this year. Also, when we do continue throwing intermediate-deep routes once in awhile into 2nd halves, we will account for Holcomb's Arm's yardage difference between Losman's numbers and a Dilfer/Roethlisberger type of game.

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Disagree. Why force something that's not needed? The defense was controlling their side of the ball. It's the second game of the season, on the road, against a division rival. The game plan was effective, it worked, and in week three, we continue to work on rebuilding at 1-1.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Disagree.  Why force something that's not needed?  The defense was controlling their side of the ball.  It's the second game of the season, on the road, against a  division rival.    The game plan was effective, it worked, and in week three, we continue to work on rebuilding at 1-1.

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We let them hang in the game, instead of staying aggressive and looking to put the game away. We should have had more than 16 points in that game, and if Miami found a way to overcome the defense and come back and win, the fault would lie (for the 2nd consecutive week) with our 2nd half playcalling. You say it wasn't needed, and I say we're lucky it wasn't needed, and in future games this year it will be. I hope the coaching staff recognizes this and the next time we have a 2nd half lead we're a bit more aggressive.

[Dan]

Why show all your cards in week 2? We were winning and in control. We didn't need to open the playbook up and tip our hand to what they may see in the next meeting.

[CosmicBills]

b) concerned that Losman doesn't appear to be where we would want him to be at this stage of his development, given his contract, his draft status, and our other options at QB

 

all at the same time.

 

JDG

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Seriously, step away from the ledge. Look at what you are saying with a bit of rational thought and objectivity for once....

 

-"This stage of his development": Okay, 10 starts. You're right. He should be in the Hall Of Fame already. Brilliant.

 

-"Our other options at QB".... Because Holcomb thrived in this new vertical offense in camp and the preseason and Nall is a stud who couldn't stick as the number 3 in Greenbay. Again, brilliant.

 

 

Sigh.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

We let them hang in the game, instead of staying aggressive and looking to put the game away. We should have had more than 16 points in that game, and if Miami found a way to overcome the defense and come back and win, the fault would lie (for the 2nd consecutive week) with our 2nd half playcalling. You say it wasn't needed, and I say we're lucky it wasn't needed, and in future games this year it will be. I hope the coaching staff recognizes this and the next time we have a 2nd half lead we're a bit more aggressive.

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In a different senario, I'd agree with you 100%. I agree that 16 points wasn't enough production with what all we had going for us yesterday, and that won't be enough in other games. We need to improve the line, and as they continue to play together, I'm confident they will. I don't see it as "lucky", I see it as strategic decision-making. It's like that non-field goal last week (and I supported the decision to go for it), we could have taken half-a-loaf, the coaches wanted to put the pats away. This week, slow and steady was the course. Certainly, one would hope the defense could maintain/contain the fins in Q4 given the play in Q1-3.

It wasn't flashy, but it worked.

 

Anyways, I felt our past coaching staff(s) struggled to adjust. After two games, I feel like this collective unit does. Perhapos that's why I'm willing to accept the conservative mindset yesterday. Plus, I have two friends who are fins fans and I always find cause to run into them after a win.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Why show all your cards in week 2?  We were winning and in control.  We didn't need to open the playbook up and tip our hand to what they may see in the next meeting.

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Interesting point. I as reading an article today and if mentioned PF held a few stunts/packages out of his playbook last week and ran them against the fish. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I had this odd psychic vision where Jerry Gray reads the article late at night, sits up, dials the phone and asks "Can you do that, Gregg? Can you mix up the blitz package like that???".

 

Maybe it's just me.

[Oneonta Buffalo Fan]

Kudos to Jauron. He the real hero.

[JDG]

Come on now, the playcalling in the 2nd half was easily too conservative. I don't think they threw a deep ball the whole half, but let's forget about the deep ball. They weren't even throwing the intermediate routes anymore. There was a time in the late 3rd where I found myself whining at the TV to just throw one ball somewhere downfield. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bomb, just something to create some space in the defense.

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Sorry, I thought you were referring to bombs - not the mid-range down-the-field stuff. My mistake.

 

As you know, my theory is that the coaches intentionally did not want Losman attempting those kinds of throws. Hence the switch from a conservative gameplan to an ultra-conservative gameplan - which did, in the end, win the game for us.

 

JDG

[JDG]

-"This stage of his development": Okay, 10 starts. You're right. He should be in the Hall Of Fame already. Brilliant.

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No. I just think that as a third-year played in whom we invested a 1st and 2nd round pick, we shouldn't have to manage the game around him like we have Damon Huard at QB. Time will tell if this was just a situational thing this week on the road in Miami, or a longer-term lack of confidence in Losman by the coaches.

 

JDG

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Sorry, I thought you were referring to bombs - not the mid-range down-the-field stuff.  My mistake.

 

As you know, my theory is that the coaches intentionally did not want Losman attempting those kinds of throws.  Hence the switch from a conservative gameplan to an ultra-conservative gameplan - which did, in the end, win the game for us.

 

JDG

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and there was a second shooter dressed like a hobo on a grassy knoll in dallas that day....

[Dibs]

JDG

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JDG....what's up with The Losman-Meter???

It's starting to bug me heaps.

Any way you look at his stats, he does not have a 60.4 Rating as you state.

Do you need the QBR formula?

 

He has a 67.2 rating(career)

You said you choped off his 1st filler years stats....this gives him a 68.5 rating.