TC in St. Louis Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 They fly these cats in, spend hours with them, and then sign them to an offer sheet, which the other team seems to always match. Does anybody think Arizona or Chicago will not match these offers? Marv's pretty smart, so there must be some reason he spent all this time and effort on RFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Marv's pretty smart, so there must be some reason he spent all this time and effort on RFAs. 635277[/snapback] So you are saying Marv spent ALL his time on Wells and the Chicago DL? Really? ALL of his time and effort. I am pretty sure you do not really mean that, I mean he probably spent SOME time with Davis, Triplett, Royal, and Bowen. So if Marv tries to sign someone and if he fails, then that is bad (Pickett, and ?). And if Marv doesnot try to sign a player then that is bad (Bentley and ?). And if Marv signs someone then that is bad (Triplett et al). So basically Marv can do no right, no? Marv is set up for failure and can not possible succeed given those assessable parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Fub Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I like that Marv is trying this. Like you said, it took few hours of his time and what do you have to lose? At worst, two teams eat up some of their cap space to re-sign their own. At best, we get a young player with some NFL experiece for a low draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Exactly. Apparently Marv can do nothing right. If he goes after released players, then he's signing scrubs. If he goes after RFAs then he's wasting his time because his offer will just be matched. So what should he do? Double the contracts he's offering to get these guys to sign? It's called business. You win some, you lose some. But you have a plan, you implement that plan, you modify that plan, you move forward. But you certainly don't quit playying just because someone out bid you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I like that Marv is trying this. Like you said, it took few hours of his time and what do you have to lose? At worst, two teams eat up some of their cap space to re-sign their own. At best, we get a young player with some NFL experiece for a low draft pick. 635291[/snapback] I think this is a great use of Marv's time. I personally think we have about a 1 in 3 chance of getting one of these two players. And if we don't, then two more teams out there have invested more $$ in their lines and are less likely to compete with us for the next talent we target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gggbills Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Exactly. Apparently Marv can do nothing right. If he goes after released players, then he's signing scrubs. If he goes after RFAs then he's wasting his time because his offer will just be matched. So what should he do? Double the contracts he's offering to get these guys to sign? It's called business. You win some, you lose some. But you have a plan, you implement that plan, you modify that plan, you move forward. But you certainly don't quit playying just because someone out bid you. 635297[/snapback] Thank you...I am getting so sick of some of these so-called fans whinning about every single move Marv makes. I am convinced that there are some so-called fans on this board that will not be happy regardless of the move Marv makes. According to these so-called fans, we either pay to much for a player, or we lose them and thus did not pay enough. We either sign a scrub or we let a good person visit and then walk. Everytime another teams signs a player, (regardless of how much they pay him)....that means that "Marv has let another one get away" Wells is a perfect example of what I am talking about. If AZ matches, these so-called fans will say that Wells was great and we should have paid more for him. If AZ does not match, these so-called fans will say that AZ knows something we don't about Wells, and we clearly paid to much. For these so-called fans, there are no moves that will make them happy. They live to B word and whin. I have a suggestion for these so-called fans... at least play it smart and wait until the product hits the field before you start to whin. Your whinning may actually have some merit at that time. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Exactly. Apparently Marv can do nothing right. If he goes after released players, then he's signing scrubs. If he goes after RFAs then he's wasting his time because his offer will just be matched. So what should he do? Double the contracts he's offering to get these guys to sign? It's called business. You win some, you lose some. But you have a plan, you implement that plan, you modify that plan, you move forward. But you certainly don't quit playying just because someone out bid you. 635297[/snapback] What he should have done is go out and overpay for Bentley. They've never signed an All Pro OL in free agency. Plenty of Joe Panos', Trey Teagues, Bennie Andersons and Chris Villarials, but never quality. Only drafted 1, Ruben Brown 12 years ago. Not so coincidentally, they haven't blocked worth a damn since the early 1990's. So, let's move on to plan B, C, D, E and then blame the glamour markets of Cleveland and Minnesota for taking up all the good OL in FA. One business rule you forget, when you are the manager, it's always your fault. Excuses don't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 What he should have done is go out and overpay for Bentley. They've never signed an All Pro OL in free agency. 635350[/snapback] How many Super Bowl teams in recent years got there by signing top-dollar FAs on the O-Line? That seems more like a Lions and 49ers approach, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 What he should have done is go out and overpay for Bentley. They've never signed an All Pro OL in free agency. Plenty of Joe Panos', Trey Teagues, Bennie Andersons and Chris Villarials, but never quality. Only drafted 1, Ruben Brown 12 years ago. Not so coincidentally, they haven't blocked worth a damn since the early 1990's. So, let's move on to plan B, C, D, E and then blame the glamour markets of Cleveland and Minnesota for taking up all the good OL in FA. One business rule you forget, when you are the manager, it's always your fault. Excuses don't get it done. 635350[/snapback] Say hi to Bentley for us, it's clear you know the guy well. Please ask him exactly how much Marv should have "overpaid" to get him, ask him why he only seemed to talked to Cleveland and what it would have taken for him to play on another team other than his clear "hometown" favorite. Everyone knows that this is like Madden footbal, just keep raising the price and they'll sign. Marv just didn't want the guy enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 So you are saying Marv spent ALL his time on Wells and the Chicago DL? Really? ALL of his time and effort. I am pretty sure you do not really mean that, I mean he probably spent SOME time with Davis, Triplett, Royal, and Bowen. So if Marv tries to sign someone and if he fails, then that is bad (Pickett, and ?). And if Marv doesnot try to sign a player then that is bad (Bentley and ?). And if Marv signs someone then that is bad (Triplett et al). So basically Marv can do no right, no? Marv is set up for failure and can not possible succeed given those assessable parameters. 635286[/snapback] Sorry, dude. What I wrote was "all THIS time," not all HIS time. I went back and checked. Thought you might want to actually read something before jumping all over me like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thank you...I am getting so sick of some of these so-called fans whinning about every single move Marv makes. I am convinced that there are some so-called fans on this board that will not be happy regardless of the move Marv makes. According to these so-called fans, we either pay to much for a player, or we lose them and thus did not pay enough. We either sign a scrub or we let a good person visit and then walk. Everytime another teams signs a player, (regardless of how much they pay him)....that means that "Marv has let another one get away" Wells is a perfect example of what I am talking about. If AZ matches, these so-called fans will say that Wells was great and we should have paid more for him. If AZ does not match, these so-called fans will say that AZ knows something we don't about Wells, and we clearly paid to much. For these so-called fans, there are no moves that will make them happy. They live to B word and whin. I have a suggestion for these so-called fans... at least play it smart and wait until the product hits the field before you start to whin. Your whinning may actually have some merit at that time. Go Bills 635325[/snapback] Hey guys, relax. I was wondering if you thought that Marv actually believed he had a chance of landing these guys....because I believe that he must, or he wouldn't spend all this time on them. I'm not whining. I love Marv. I read his book twice. I know you won't go back and read my posts, I've been an advocate of his being GM since before he was GM. I'm a fan of this team, and I am asking questions. Don't call me some whiner, Jesus that's offensive. Relax. Paxil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 They've never signed an All Pro OL in free agency. 635350[/snapback] While I agree they should be more aggressive for the OL (I think Schaffer more than Bentley), who is "they"? "They" have never signed an all pro OL in free agency for the couple of weeks "they" have been the GM of a football team in free agency. You can't use past GM's track record to judge Marv. He's got a fresh slate. Now, if he goes 4 years without attempting to upgrade the lines with top talent, then you can complain about what "they" have never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambler Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Marv's pretty smart, so there must be some reason he spent all this time and effort on RFAs. 635277[/snapback] Let's take a step back and consider the big picture. A week ago nobody ever heard of these two RFA's. How far has the Bills organization fallen when the big debate is over virtual no name free agents who probably won't even play here. Other teams are signing players like Hutchinson, Bentley, Owens, Brees etc. and the Bills are in a mortal battle for a reserve DL from Manitoba. In this respect, I am disappointed with the Bills offseason .. so far. Hopefully things will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Common people, we all know names bring championships, just look at the Patriots, they sign all the big FA's every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Let's take a step back and consider the big picture.A week ago nobody ever heard of these two RFA's. How far has the Bills organization fallen when the big debate is over virtual no name free agents who probably won't even play here. Other teams are signing players like Hutchinson, Bentley, Owens, Brees etc. and the Bills are in a mortal battle for a reserve DL from Manitoba. In this respect, I am disappointed with the Bills offseason .. so far. Hopefully things will improve. 635452[/snapback] Ah, the old "i havent heard of them, therefore they must suck" arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nero47 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Let's take a step back and consider the big picture. Other teams are signing players like Hutchinson, Bentley, Owens, Brees etc. and the Bills are in a mortal battle for a reserve DL from Manitoba. In this respect, I am disappointed with the Bills offseason .. so far. Hopefully things will improve. 635452[/snapback] Given the money they were offered by the teams for which they signed, we may have been able to get one. Which one would have solved all our problems? Unfortunately, the real GM's aren't able to play fantasy football and get everyone they want. If the two RFA's are important enough to be resigned for what Marv out on the offer sheet, I would say they're probably not going to be playing backup roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Say hi to Bentley for us, it's clear you know the guy well. Please ask him exactly how much Marv should have "overpaid" to get him, ask him why he only seemed to talked to Cleveland and what it would have taken for him to play on another team other than his clear "hometown" favorite. Everyone knows that this is like Madden footbal, just keep raising the price and they'll sign. Marv just didn't want the guy enough. 635368[/snapback] You're right. I agree that signing Bentley was far & away THE move to make, but it seems to me now that no other team had a chance at him.. he was going to Cleveland & that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 How many Super Bowl teams in recent years got there by signing top-dollar FAs on the O-Line? That seems more like a Lions and 49ers approach, IMO. 635367[/snapback] The Eagles for instance, signed Runyan in FA and drafted Tra Thomas and Shawn Andrews in the first round. Seahawks had two All Pros on the OL, both drafted in round 1. The Bills best lineman was a UDFA(Peters), and the rest probably average being drafted in round 5 or later. Seriously. BTW, Woody and Jennings were not in the class of Bentley and Hutchinson, actual All Pros with no real detractors. Woody had a lot of critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 While I agree they should be more aggressive for the OL (I think Schaffer more than Bentley), who is "they"? "They" have never signed an all pro OL in free agency for the couple of weeks "they" have been the GM of a football team in free agency. You can't use past GM's track record to judge Marv. He's got a fresh slate. Now, if he goes 4 years without attempting to upgrade the lines with top talent, then you can complain about what "they" have never done. 635424[/snapback] Thanks for letting me know when I can complain, I wasn't sure when Marv's freshness date was up. You are quite a trooper being willing to give Marv another 4 years without addressing a nearly 15 year old weakness. My guess is most of the Marv apologists will be sticking "For Sale" signs in Jaurons yard long before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Thanks for letting me know when I can complain, I wasn't sure when Marv's freshness date was up. You are quite a trooper being willing to give Marv another 4 years without addressing a nearly 15 year old weakness. My guess is most of the Marv apologists will be sticking "For Sale" signs in Jaurons yard long before that. 635513[/snapback] It is a shame Badol. I remember talking to you at RWS in October about Hutch becoming a UFA this year. I can't see any reason why the Bills didn't make him an offer. As for the possibility of him not wanting to play in Buffalo, I remember reading that he and his wife are from Florida. He DID sign an offer sheet from Minnesota, obviously not a huge market, nor a warm climate. The cap space was there, and so was the need. The Bills simply failed to act. The thing is, do we point the finger at Marv or Ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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