McDermott still in over his head

[hondo in seattle]

39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What is absolutely hysterical to me is that of the 3 coaches you mentioned.... McDermott has beaten all 3. 2 of which this year alone. 

 

The last line says it all. Doesn't matter what happens, anything good is due to Josh. Anything bad is on Coach. That's your line in the sand and it's extremely biased. And no, I don't care about the few obligatory polite lines you put in about McDermott. Finishing those up the the "but" at the end shows how phony that is 

 

A lot of people seem to operate from that simplistic paradigm.  And there's no way to argue against it because every fact can be made to fit into that model of the world if you do enough mental gymnastics. 

 

I prefer a more nuanced approach.  I think Josh deserves tremendous credit for our victories - and some of the blame for our losses.  He's not always the most accurate QB on the field, and his decision-making is sometimes suspect.  Overall, however, he's superman as Gruden and others attest.  

 

And McD, like any coach, has strengths and weaknesses.  He's not always the best at game management and I question his coordinator choices.  But he's a solid, though not brilliant, defensive mind.  His defensive strength might be at showing a presnap look that's different than what we're actually running.  But that's more likely to confuse young QBs than well-coached, experienced QBs like Mahomes and Burrow as we've found out in the playoffs.  As a HC, he's good at instilling teamwork, brotherhood, communication, accountability, and a never-quit attitude.  

 

It wasn't luck or coincidence that McD ended the drought - before Allen.  He's a good coach who needs a better roster than the one Beane's been giving him if we're going to win a Lombardi.  

 

[SoMAn]

Playoffs 8 of 9 seasons, 7 consecutive double-digit win seasons, best winning percentage in Bills history, ....but yeah, let's hire some rock star coordinator with tons of potential who's never been an NFL head coach. That almost always works out great.  And when it inevitably doesn't we can start the cycle up again in three years. Rinse and repeat for another extended drought.

McD is only 19 wins away from surpassing HOF coach Marv Levy for most regular season wins in Bills history.  And he's been able to do it with a roster that doesn't compare to Levy's 90s teams. 

 

Here are the active NFL coaches with a Lombardi trophy:

Tomlin, 2008 season

John Harbaugh, 2012 season

Sean Payton, 2010 season

Pete Carroll, 2014 season

Sean McVay, 2021 season

Andy Reid, 2023 season.

It took Reid 21 seasons to finally win. 

What's the combine number of coaching years among the other 5? (I'm not going to count again, but I believe it's between and 80 and 90).

Should they all be fired with only 5 super bowl wins among them? 

 

I suspect some of you have no concept of how difficult it is for a team to make it to the super bowl.  A lot of good fortune has to happen along the way, including keeping a relatively healthy roster and hoping the young prospects work out.

 

[extrahammer]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and I am on the internet

 

Does this mean that they have always depended on stadium replay to decide to challenge a call or not?  that would explain a great deal.  I have a couple old ipads to offer up to the cause and I'll even let them use my youtube tv login since apparently they havent figured this all out yet

 

You do know the YouTubeTV live feeds are on a 45 second delay though right? Cable and broadcast are at least 5 to 15 if I'm not mistaken. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

 

A lot of people seem to operate from that simplistic paradigm.  And there's no way to argue against it because every fact can be made to fit into that model of the world if you do enough mental gymnastics. 

 

I prefer a more nuanced approach.  I think Josh deserves tremendous credit for our victories - and some of the blame for our losses.  He's not always the most accurate QB on the field, and his decision-making is sometimes suspect.  Overall, however, he's superman as Gruden and others attest.  

 

And McD, like any coach, has strengths and weaknesses.  He's not always the best at game management and I question his coordinator choices.  But he's a solid, though not brilliant, defensive mind.  His defensive strength might be at showing a presnap look that's different than what we're actually running.  But that's more likely to confuse young QBs than well-coached, experienced QBs like Mahomes and Burrow as we've found out in the playoffs.  As a HC, he's good at instilling teamwork, brotherhood, communication, accountability, and a never-quit attitude.  

 

It wasn't luck or coincidence that McD ended the drought - before Allen.  He's a good coach who needs a better roster than the one Beane's been giving him if we're going to win a Lombardi.  

 

if you watched that game yesterday and came away w anything but the truth that (in general) the bills win because of allen i dont know what to tell you

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Hahahaha. I thought Vrabel was a tough guy? This is whiney beyond belief. 

Pats oline was holding like crazy…obviously the hatred has always been there but I’m losing a ton of respect for vrabel and the gang on top of that 

[VW82]

I’m way more concerned about the way we start games than no help in big market opposing stadiums from replay assist. 
 

I asked this question in the post game thread and no one bit but what are our best working theories as to why we consistently play poorly in first halves? Bills seem to be good on offense on opening drives but then stall until last two mins of the half and into second half. Defense is an abomination until second half every week. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

You do know the YouTubeTV live feeds are on a 45 second delay though right? Cable and broadcast are at least 5 to 15 if I'm not mistaken. 

The one replay they showed before the next snap 100% was wiped out by the broadcast delay.  They had to interrupt the quick replay for the next snap. That replay didn’t show anything in the first place.
 

this is a weird social engineering thing where I think dislike of McDermott is warping reality haha I definitely thought there was a replay of the ball hitting the ground before the next snap but there wasn’t.  It’s from kinda 3/4ths view over boutte’s shoulder and the ball is completely blocked by the pats sideline 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[extrahammer]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The one replay they showed before the next snap 100% was wiped out by the broadcast delay.  They had to interrupt the quick replay for the next snap. Replay didn’t show anything in the first place.
 

this is a weird social engineering thing where I think dislike of McDermott is warping reality haha I definitely thought there was a replay of the ball hitting the ground before the next snap but there definitely wasn’t.  It’s from kinda 3/4ths view over boutte’s shoulder and the ball is completely blocked by the pats sideline 

 

I do think our replay specialist needs to figure this out asap or we need to replace him. That gave them a huge leg up and set the tone right out of the gate. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Billsfed1 said:

He said something about how they didn’t have the ability to see the replay in the stadium, they have to get that figured out moving forward.

8 years in and havent figured this out?  Nobody in a booth with at minimum a live stream of the game LOL

 

Im glad we won, but our Coaching looked so foolish all day.  Take away Josh and add a mid QB.... i'll even be courteous.  Trevor Lawrence, hes hovering around #10 in most stats currently..... anybody think were winning that game with T-Law? 

 

Anybody think we could pull off no-showing in the first half of a playoff game, and winning?  Possible, certainly!

^^Twice? EHHHHHHH probably not

3-4 times. 100% not.

 

The BEST we can hope for with this staff is "staying out of the way", but they certainly aren't adding anything like the top coaches in the league.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think wasting a challenge on a first drive would have been far bigger mismanagement. You get 2 a game, unless it is a huge, explosive touchdown who cares?

 

NE scored 7... 14... 21. Didn't matter. Bills offense was stuck in park, it's extremely plausible that if McD challenged, won, forced a punt then the Bills still punt the next drive considering it was the opening game script they followed. Bills punted what, 3 straight? Hindsight shows that the lack of challenge didn't matter, because the offense had consistent issues that did not get resolved until nearly halftime. 
 

McD outcoached MV in the 2nd half. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

I do think our replay specialist needs to figure this out asap or we need to replace him. That gave them a huge leg up and set the tone right out of the gate. 

I mean if they had all the angles instantly like how it’s ‘supposed’ to work now yea maybe.  But I’ve got a feeling that didn’t happen.  We’ll probably never know though 
 

there is really nothing to suggest the ball hit the ground and came loose in the broadcast before the pats next snap…this board is collectively misremembering how it went down.  I don’t even think the pats knew I think they also weren’t sure if his feet were in like the commentators.  
 

Really not shocking this wasn’t looked at by the automated review now that I looked at it again with a clear head.  It doesn’t look like a drop at all until you start getting into slow motion replays from more specific angles that came after the next snap 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[hondo in seattle]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

if you watched that game yesterday and came away w anything but the truth that (in general) the bills win because of allen i dont know what to tell you

 

Allen is a freak of nature, no doubt.  But didn't you see our injury-ridden defense step up in the second half?  You didn't see a team that 'didn't blink' (to use Knox's expression) when things went bad?  You didn't see Brady start calling good plays?  

 

When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets.  When a horny hetero guy walks down a street, all he sees are girls.  When a McD hater watches a Bills game, all he sees is Allen.  

 

I love Allen and think he probably deserves another MVP award.  But I think McD is also contributing to our wins.  Outside of Allen, this isn't a good roster.  

[thenorthremembers]

He coached the second half too.   This is nonsense.

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Allen is a freak of nature, no doubt.  But didn't you see our injury-ridden defense step up in the second half?  You didn't see a team that 'didn't blink' (to use Knox's expression) when things went bad?  You didn't see Brady start calling good plays?  

 

When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets.  When a horny hetero guy walks down a street, all he sees are girls.  When a McD hater watches a Bills game, all he sees is Allen.  

 

I love Allen and think he probably deserves another MVP award.  But I think McD is also contributing to our wins.  Outside of Allen, this isn't a good roster.  

 

James Cook is one of the best RBs in the NFL

[Sweats]

30 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

No offense to you personally but this is the attitude of a loser, and if the head of our Bills organization has this attitude, we will never win a championship. "The Patriots just moved too fast and I couldn't do the analysis fast enough realize we have everything to gain and nothing to lose by challenging, and nobody told me to challenge it..." just pathetic. 

 

 

 

I don't know where you're going with this, but i only mentioned that i didn't see the replay..........maybe McD saw it, but i didn't see it.

 

You may have missed it from another thread, but i was busy shoveling snow off my roof yesterday afternoon and only fall off twice, so i had other priorities going on. 

[hondo in seattle]

47 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

I'll give McDermott this, he's never been as much of a whiny B word as Vrabel is right now

 

 

 

Wow: King of Whine right there.  

The problem for a coach to talk like that is he's telling his team that they lost because of bad refereeing.  That's a horrible message.  The message needs strong, clear, and passionate: "We lost because we didn't play well enough."  

 

As long as you put the problem 'out there' somewhere (refs, weather, whatever), it's not solvable.  When you put the problem on your own shoulders, you can fix it.  Prepare better.  Try harder.  Execute better.  

[extrahammer]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean if they had all the angles instantly like how it’s ‘supposed’ to work now yea maybe.  But I’ve got a feeling that didn’t happen.  We’ll probably never know though 
 

there is really nothing to suggest the ball hit the ground and came loose in the broadcast before the pats next snap…this board is collectively misremembering how it went down.  I don’t even think the pats knew I think they also weren’t sure if his feet were in like the commentators.  
 

Really not shocking this wasn’t looked at by the automated review now that I looked at it again with a clear head.  It doesn’t look like a drop at all until you start getting into slow motion replays from more specific angles that came after the next snap 

 

The only way I think it would work best is to have the replay specialist in the broadcast trucks with a direct line to McD. But in that situation, you gotta quickly assess like you were saying based on what you have, and know if the opponent is trying to get the next snap off. TBH they should just not let the next play happen until suspect calls like that are reviewed and confirmed or not. I mean, it's 2025... They've completely changed kickoffs but haven't done a lot with replays since they started them. If a team is hurrying up to get the next snap off, it's more than likely the previous play ruling was suspect in some way, so in essence someone is getting screwed, instead of just getting it right. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Allen is a freak of nature, no doubt.  But didn't you see our injury-ridden defense step up in the second half?  You didn't see a team that 'didn't blink' (to use Knox's expression) when things went bad?  You didn't see Brady start calling good plays?  

 

When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets.  When a horny hetero guy walks down a street, all he sees are girls.  When a McD hater watches a Bills game, all he sees is Allen.  

 

I love Allen and think he probably deserves another MVP award.  But I think McD is also contributing to our wins.  Outside of Allen, this isn't a good roster.  

It’s crazy how often the defense gets the clutch stops compared to how bad they are the rest of the game I really don’t understand it at all.  Only recent game I can think of when they didn’t is the dolphins game and it’s not like the offense played well enough to matter in that one anyway 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Allen is a freak of nature, no doubt.  But didn't you see our injury-ridden defense step up in the second half?  You didn't see a team that 'didn't blink' (to use Knox's expression) when things went bad?  You didn't see Brady start calling good plays?  

 

When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets.  When a horny hetero guy walks down a street, all he sees are girls.  When a McD hater watches a Bills game, all he sees is Allen.  

 

I love Allen and think he probably deserves another MVP award.  But I think McD is also contributing to our wins.  Outside of Allen, this isn't a good roster.  

no, when a normal football fan watches a Bills game he sees a QB carrying the team

 

when a certain portion of Bills fans watch that game they somehow convince themselves that giving up 31 to the Patriots is 'stepping up'

[JP51]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can I ask a question? Why is he getting crucified when New York should have buzzed in and overturned that on its own, without him needing to challenge? On nearly every questionable play where the offense is rushing, they almost always buzz down.

This is another concerning point...