Bills lead in Pass Blocking and Pass Play Efficiency

[JaBu]

 

Arrived at with 3 composite scores (PFF/ESPN/SIS); best is top right corner, worst bottom left corner.

 

 

 

 

 

https://x.com/fball_insights/status/1996378570596536685/photo/1

 

[GunnerBill]

EPA per dropback is, largely, a Quarterback stat. And look at the guys towards the top:

 

Love, Maye, Mahomes, Allen, Dak, Stafford.... it is a QB stat. 

 

That said I do think the pass protection data is interesting. To the pure eye test it has not been as good as it was in 2024... but you also have to acknowledge that Allen has also bailed on more clean pockets in 2025 than for 2 or 3 years... and I think that is because he is hoping getting out and changing the angle disrupts the coverage and helps one of our lamppost receivers to shake free.

[machine gun kelly]

Interesting, but can be misleading as how shallow these passes are from Allen.

[JaBu]

 

We are definitely missing Dalton Kincaid!

 

 

 

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, JaBu said:

 

 

I need to get to my eye doctor.

 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by CSBill

[IYKYK]

Smoke and mirrors 

[Comebackkid]

4 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

I need to get to my eye doctor.

 

 

 

i thought that was a small virgin island or something

Edited 5 hours ago by Comebackkid

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

8 hours ago, JaBu said:

 

We are definitely missing Dalton Kincaid!

 

 

 

Highly undervalued on this site. The passing offense is a different animal w/ Kincaid in there. He is our #1 (when he’s healthy.)

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Highly undervalued on this site. The passing offense is a different animal w/ Kincaid in there. He is our #1 (when he’s healthy.)

He was on pace for around 1k receiving yards while getting like under 40% of the snaps…absolutely insane.  He’s just gotta find a way to stay healthy.  To be fair to Kincaid though I don’t believe he’s missed a playoff game yet which is something 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

EPA per dropback is, largely, a Quarterback stat. And look at the guys towards the top:

 

Love, Maye, Mahomes, Allen, Dak, Stafford.... it is a QB stat. 

 

That said I do think the pass protection data is interesting. To the pure eye test it has not been as good as it was in 2024... but you also have to acknowledge that Allen has also bailed on more clean pockets in 2025 than for 2 or 3 years... and I think that is because he is hoping getting out and changing the angle disrupts the coverage and helps one of our lamppost receivers to shake free.

Allen has not been as good avoiding sacks, and he is also the culprit for some of the sacks. But Dawkins hasn't been quite as good this year. He was awesome last year, and regressed a bit.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MJS said:

Allen has not been as good avoiding sacks, and he is also the culprit for some of the sacks. But Dawkins hasn't been quite as good this year. He was awesome last year, and regressed a bit.

 

Brown hasn't been as good in pass pro this year either. That is why I am surprised by the pass pro stats because to the eye test they are worse. Because of work pressures I have watched less of the rest of the NFL this year compared to normal. So it may well be that it is just the rest of the NFL sucks in pass blocking.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Allen has not been as good avoiding sacks, and he is also the culprit for some of the sacks. But Dawkins hasn't been quite as good this year. He was awesome last year, and regressed a bit.

7th in the NFL in terms of EPA/sack vs league avg

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Brown hasn't been as good in pass pro this year either. That is why I am surprised by the pass pro stats because to the eye test they are worse. Because of work pressures I have watched less of the rest of the NFL this year compared to normal. So it may well be that it is just the rest of the NFL sucks in pass blocking.

yes

that pass pro grade i have no idea what to make of that. it hasnt been good to my eye

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, JaBu said:

 

We are definitely missing Dalton Kincaid!

 

 

 

Omg that’s hysterical

[T.E.]

15 minutes ago, MJS said:

Allen has not been as good avoiding sacks, and he is also the culprit for some of the sacks. But Dawkins hasn't been quite as good this year. He was awesome last year, and regressed a bit.

I know he's getting older, but I think that if he came into camp next year 25 lbs lighter, he could have a standout season. Guy's been looking a tad huge this year.

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

yes

that pass pro grade i have no idea what to make of that. it hasnt been good to my eye

 

Agree. It hasn't been terrible. But last year it was good to the eye and this year I'd say generally it has been just okay. That they rank that high does surprise me. If they were 10th, 12th, sure. I'd recognise that. To be 2nd? Surprising.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Brown hasn't been as good in pass pro this year either. That is why I am surprised by the pass pro stats because to the eye test they are worse. Because of work pressures I have watched less of the rest of the NFL this year compared to normal. So it may well be that it is just the rest of the NFL sucks in pass blocking.

I think offensive line play around the NFL is not as good as it was even just 10 years ago. There are very few dominant olines anymore in the NFL. The Bills had one last year, at least.

[hondo in seattle]

The title is a little misleading.  We don't lead in either Pass Blocking or Pass Play Efficiency.  

I guess you could argue that we lead in the combination of those two.  But that doesn't matter.   

 

Good passpro should help you earn a good EPA but by itself doesn't mean a lot.