Beane/ McDermott should be ashamed of themselves

[billsfan714]

Im hearing Brad Pitt in moneyball saying were trying to recreate him in the aggregate. It aint working. Good news Isaiah Hodgins has more receiving yards this season than speedster Curtis Samuel and Hodgins has played 2 games.

Edited 1 hour ago by billsfan714

[Low Positive]

Here's why they do what they do:

 

https://nfllines.com/nfl-2024-team-positional-spending-win-correlation/

 

It's a long article, but if you run the data on the correlation between the percentage of the cap spent on position groups and winning percentage, the order goes like this. 

• Quarterback & Offensive Line (0.288) TIE
• Cornerback (0.171)
• Interior Defensive Line (0.077)
• Wide Receiver (0.064)
• Edge (0.012)
• Running Back (-0.048)
• Tight End (-0.093)
• Linebacker (-0.123)
• Safety (-0.166)

I don't agree with this because the eye test tells me that elite WRs and EDGE players make game winning plays. But the data says to invest in QB and OL above all else, but CB and DT are also key to winning. That's what Beane has done and I think his smugness comes from the fact that he has the data on his side.

 

[BillsPride12]

43 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I'm sitting here watching all these games today , guys like Pickens, AJ Brown, Xavier worthy, Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins 

 

All making insane game changing plays. It really is eye opening in a disturbing way. Why on God's green Earth does Beane & McDermott not want this???? 

 

If Allen takes these guys to the super bowl, yes I'm saying it right now he's the greatest QB that's ever lived.

 

I couldn't even enjoy football today seeing all these massive plays wide receivers are making. It makes me feel sick 🤢 

Even just watching Dallas as a roster look way better than ours makes me realize how bad beane has been the past number of years. 

 

It's eye opening and it pisses me off 

"Quit your b****ing. We scored the 2nd most points in the league last year"

-Beane

[NeverOutNick]

7 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I don't think anyone would mind a josh palmer if we drafted worthy and had Pickens and TJ Sanders actually looked like an impact player.

 

It's just a few moves but it makes all of the difference 

Or maybe instead of always trading UP for defensive players maybe for once you just trade UP for an offensive weapon not named Josh Allen. Luther Burden fell in the draft and went a couple picks before TJ Sanders. You get an extra 3rd for trading back for Coleman and take ANOTHER worthless D lineman in Carter instead of taking Troy Franklin. Heck you could’ve bypassed taking them both and traded up for BTJ. Beane is McDermotts puppet. Just watch the way McD pulled him to talk after the Bucs win or anytime McD is superglued to Beanes pocket in the draft room. They both need to go. 
 

oh and I’m sure this fun thread will be merged into some other obscure thread soon enough lol

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Here's why they do what they do:

 

https://nfllines.com/nfl-2024-team-positional-spending-win-correlation/

 

It's a long article, but if you run the data on the correlation between the percentage of the cap spent on position groups and winning percentage, the order goes like this. 

• Quarterback & Offensive Line (0.288) TIE
• Cornerback (0.171)
• Interior Defensive Line (0.077)
• Wide Receiver (0.064)
• Edge (0.012)
• Running Back (-0.048)
• Tight End (-0.093)
• Linebacker (-0.123)
• Safety (-0.166)

I don't agree with this because the eye test tells me that elite WRs and EDGE players make game winning plays. But the data says to invest in QB and OL above all else, but CB and DT are also key to winning. That's what Beane has done and I think his smugness comes from the fact that he has the data on his side.

 

I mean, there’s a very simple way to keep cap spending down on WRs.

 

Draft them early and often and don’t pay them. 

[BeastMaster]

I mind...especially at his salary 

 

Beane overpaid for a guy who was a Chargers cast off that had one singular touchdown before the Bills decided to give him a fairly large deal

 

Palmer could be fine if he was a third or fourth option making around 3-5 mil/year 

 

Neither of those things are true, and Beane brought him here to play opposite of Coleman as a starter

[NeverOutNick]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, there’s a very simple way to keep cap spending down on WRs.

 

Draft them early and often and don’t pay them. 

You mean like all the smart organizations do (GB, Philly, Baltimore)? What a novel idea!

Edited 49 minutes ago by NeverOutNick

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Or maybe instead of always trading UP for defensive players maybe for once you just trade UP for an offensive weapon not named Josh Allen. Luther Burden fell in the draft and went a couple picks before TJ Sanders. You get an extra 3rd for trading back for Coleman and take ANOTHER worthless D lineman in Carter instead of taking Troy Franklin. Heck you could’ve bypassed taking them both and traded up for BTJ. Beane is McDermotts puppet. Just watch the way McD pulled him to talk after the Bucs win or anytime McD is superglued to Beanes pocket in the draft room. They both need to go. 
 

oh and I’m sure this fun thread will be merged into some other obscure thread soon enough lol

 

I honestly wouldn't even mind the mediocre wrs we have if he actually drafted great dlineman.

 

That's the most disheartening part. I mean the eagles dline makes ours look like a jv team.  Texans dline etc.

 

KC front 7 completely dominated the colts running game 

 

 

 

What else am i supposed to think?

 

Watching the Texans game and anyone that knows football knows we can't compete with those guys. It's not reflective in the score but everyone can see it. 

 

I love this team and it's just upsetting. It's like watching Your brother lose a fight or something 

 

I'm pissed off at Beane

 

 

Edited 49 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[CincyBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I'm sitting here watching all these games today , guys like Pickens, AJ Brown, Xavier worthy, Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins 

 

All making insane game changing plays. It really is eye opening in a disturbing way. Why on God's green Earth does Beane & McDermott not want this???? 

 

If Allen takes these guys to the super bowl, yes I'm saying it right now he's the greatest QB that's ever lived.

 

I couldn't even enjoy football today seeing all these massive plays wide receivers are making. It makes me feel sick 🤢 

Even just watching Dallas as a roster look way better than ours makes me realize how bad beane has been the past number of years. 

 

It's eye opening and it pisses me off 

I've seen the exact same thing over the past couple of years.  Guys routinely making great plays that you almost never see from Bills WR's.  You want to feel even worse?  Check out a slate of college games on Saturday and you will see that those kids are also making great catches and helping their QB's out.  The two starting WR's for Ohio State are better then any WR on the Bills TODAY.

 

 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

55 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I'm sitting here watching all these games today , guys like Pickens, AJ Brown, Xavier worthy, Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins 

 

All making insane game changing plays. It really is eye opening in a disturbing way. Why on God's green Earth does Beane & McDermott not want this???? 

 

If Allen takes these guys to the super bowl, yes I'm saying it right now he's the greatest QB that's ever lived.

 

I couldn't even enjoy football today seeing all these massive plays wide receivers are making. It makes me feel sick 🤢 

Even just watching Dallas as a roster look way better than ours makes me realize how bad beane has been the past number of years. 

 

It's eye opening and it pisses me off 

Beane is not a good GM, and there’s not a chance in hell they go to the SB this year or probably next year as well 

[Kelly to Allen]

5 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

Beane is not a good GM, and there’s not a chance in hell they go to the SB this year or probably next year as well 

 

They have a punchers chance with Allen similar to the 80s Elway teams. But they'll probably get destroyed in the AFC championship /super bowl 

Edited 42 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[PauleeeWalnuts]

11 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I mind...especially at his salary 

 

Beane overpaid for a guy who was a Chargers cast off that had one singular touchdown before the Bills decided to give him a fairly large deal

 

Palmer could be fine if he was a third or fourth option making around 3-5 mil/year 

 

Neither of those things are true, and Beane brought him here to play opposite of Coleman as a starter

And neither of them have done a damn thing to help this offense 

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

They have a punchers chance with Allen similar to the 80s Elway teams. But they'll probably get destroyed in the super bowl 

Which sucks because we’ve already seen that movie 3 out of 4 of our last SBs 

Edited 45 minutes ago by PauleeeWalnuts

[DeltaDigital]

They will forever be known as the men who wasted Josh Allen’s career 

[Kelly to Allen]

17 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Here's why they do what they do:

 

https://nfllines.com/nfl-2024-team-positional-spending-win-correlation/

 

It's a long article, but if you run the data on the correlation between the percentage of the cap spent on position groups and winning percentage, the order goes like this. 

• Quarterback & Offensive Line (0.288) TIE
• Cornerback (0.171)
• Interior Defensive Line (0.077)
• Wide Receiver (0.064)
• Edge (0.012)
• Running Back (-0.048)
• Tight End (-0.093)
• Linebacker (-0.123)
• Safety (-0.166)

I don't agree with this because the eye test tells me that elite WRs and EDGE players make game winning plays. But the data says to invest in QB and OL above all else, but CB and DT are also key to winning. That's what Beane has done and I think his smugness comes from the fact that he has the data on his side.

 

 

This may be a good philosophy. Only issue is the dline investments are actually so bad it's becoming a sunk cost.

 

He still hasn't found a will Anderson, Chris Jones or Jalen Carter 

[Kirby Jackson]

Remember when we stole “trust the process” from the 76ers? Whatever happened to that? If these guys wanted to really troll us they bring it back in a press conference about Shaq Lawson coming back. Lean right in to their villain arcs. 

Edited 37 minutes ago by Kirby Jackson

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I'm sitting here watching all these games today , guys like Pickens, AJ Brown, Xavier worthy, Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins 

 

All making insane game changing plays. It really is eye opening in a disturbing way. Why on God's green Earth does Beane & McDermott not want this???? 

 

If Allen takes these guys to the super bowl, yes I'm saying it right now he's the greatest QB that's ever lived.

 

I couldn't even enjoy football today seeing all these massive plays wide receivers are making. It makes me feel sick 🤢 

Even just watching Dallas as a roster look way better than ours makes me realize how bad beane has been the past number of years. 

 

It's eye opening and it pisses me off 

 

For all the money the Eagles have tied up on their offense (most expensive in the NFL by far), and all the big stars they have including great OLine play, they struggle way, way too much on a regular basis.

 

Their OC makes Joe Brady look like the best OC in NFL history in comparison.

Edited 40 minutes ago by Big Turk

[Saint Doug]

If Jerry Jones had Josh Allen, he would’ve won a Superbowl already. 

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

And neither of them have done a damn thing to help this offense 

Which sucks because we’ve already seen that movie 3 out of 4 of our last SBs 

 

I know this sounds lame but I really really just wanted buffalo to play Philadelphia in the super bowl last year even if they would have destroyed us. 

 

I wanted to experience the nostalgia of the two weeks leading up to the super bowl similar to the memories I had when I was a kid watching the bills go to the super bowl and all the pre-game hype for the two weeks before the big game 

 

I also wanted to say "hey at least Allen got to play  in one ", similar to Marino 

 

 

 

 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[BuffaloBillyG]

50 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Go watch the Dallas highlights. Our perimeter talent at wr, cb, and pass rush isn't even close to Dallas.

 

Bosa & $$$ Rousseau, benford better start making plays starting vs Pittsburgh. Epenesa, etc

 

If they don't elevate their play on the pass rush or stop the run I don't know how we're supposed to compete for a title 

 

Kincaid and maybe Shavers / Coleman developing is all I got for offense. Idk

 

We aren't. Anyone still thinking this year can end in a Super Bowl is just kidding themselves.

 

We are closer to missing the playoffs altogether.

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

If Jerry Jones had Josh Allen, he would’ve won a Superbowl already. 

Honestly I believe that over half the teams in the league maybe every team outside the Browns and bengals would’ve won a SB already with Josh Allen. I despise McD and Beane but I blame Pegula even more because what the heck is he doing man. Does he not have anyone in his ear with any football sense at all telling him what a gift it is to have Josh and not to waste it with incompetence?