Allen missed a wide open Knox on the final play

[Julio Hopkins]

Woah, mesh on the most important passing down of the game!  Fortunately, NFL defenses don't spend their free time watching past games or looking into play calling tendencies!  

 

For real though, Joe Brady's entire passing philosophy boils down to "unga bunga ball catcher run into bad man."  That 2019 LSU offense was so talented that they averaged 48 points a game with this dude as the passing game coordinator.  

[DapperCam]

10 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Woah, mesh on the most important passing down of the game!  Fortunately, NFL defenses don't spend their free time watching past games or looking into play calling tendencies!  

 

For real though, Joe Brady's entire passing philosophy boils down to "unga bunga ball catcher run into bad man."  That 2019 LSU offense was so talented that they averaged 48 points a game with this dude as the passing game coordinator.  

If he was the passing game coordinator at Arkansas instead, nobody would know who he is. Perks of being at the right place at the right time.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

He's 29 yrs old and a big horse in good health.

His legacy is nowhere near written yet.

Whether it's here or somewhere else, I think he'll get what he's earned and be justly remembered as the 1st ballot HOF'er and game-changing QB he's been.

I agree.  My gut is he will go the Matt Stafford route but here's to hoping it happens in Buffalo.

 

 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Woah, mesh on the most important passing down of the game!  Fortunately, NFL defenses don't spend their free time watching past games or looking into play calling tendencies!  

 

For real though, Joe Brady's entire passing philosophy boils down to "unga bunga ball catcher run into bad man."  That 2019 LSU offense was so talented that they averaged 48 points a game with this dude as the passing game coordinator.  

if not for the tip ball on the play prior a mesh concept would’ve worked stellar 

[Billsatlastin2018]

EIGHT Sacks, 12 Hurries, TWENTY- EIGHT Pressures!

 

TWENTY ***** EIGHT! The Bills had 66 Plays all night!

 

So, Allan was trying to find one, any, open WR while running for his life 42% of the time!

 

LET THAT SINK IN!

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Billsatlastin2018

[Julio Hopkins]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

if not for the tip ball on the play prior a mesh concept would’ve worked stellar 

I don’t have an issue with the concept or him using it.  I have an issue with him using it so consistently in high leverage situations.  
 

There’s a reason Spagnuolo knew what he was calling last year on the last 4th down play.  Brady is extremely predictable, which is a terrible trait. 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  My gut is he will go the Matt Stafford route but here's to hoping it happens in Buffalo.

 

 

Stafford was at a much worse organization.. gripe was much bigger and he still lasted 12 years 

 

He never won a playoff game and his average playoff losses were by 15 

 

We just lost in the AFC championship by a field goal... And win a playoff game at least every year 

 

.696 allen's win percentage 

.476 or something - Stafford's win percentage with the Lions 

 

With zero NFC North titles 

 

Truly that is not even close to the same organizational failure 

 

Again Josh is much closer to Peyton Manning who didn't win a Super bowl till he was 30 but had a bunch of success... Couldn't get by Brady 

Edited 13 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Old Coot]

8 hours ago, Sweats said:

Whenever i question JA's bad playing, i get called a bad fan, so you might be setting yourself up for a lot of shrapnel coming your way.

Your might be a bad fan but still have good football IQ. Both can be true at the same time.

[QCity]

14 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

if the throw was completed to Knox and he gets the first down the Texans accept the penalty and the Bills get another down. Yes it would have been 4th and long but 4th and long is better than the end of the game. 
 

Not sure why people aren’t understanding that. 

 

They don't understand because this is peak meltdown time.

[Old Coot]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

We don’t have anyone that can win one on one, but Beasley was here with Diggs and Sanders back when our GM cared about WR’s, so I can see where he’s coming from.  

 

He’s also correct that all we run is mesh routes and defenses are completely keyed in on them.   When the pass rush comes quick, Josh just has to guess who might pop open. 
 

Thanks Dion!

 

 

This is one messed up executed play.

 

First, the crosser wipes out Knox's defender allowing Knox to be wide open.

 

Second, Josh has a tendency to lock onto the receiver he's going to throw to. Here he locks onto # 5 (Palmer) waiting for him to clear the deep safety. That's why he's cocked before anyone is in his face but doesn't deliver until he's pressured resulting in an underthrown ball off his backfoot.

 

Third, Palmer hesitates at the end of his route seemingly settling into a gap in the zone instead of continuing across the field. This results in him not being where Josh thinks he'll be when he releases the ball.

 

This play is illustrative of what I see from this year's Bills team -- failure to execute. That's not the only problem (injuries, etc.) but it's a major one.

 

Thoughts?

[Einstein]

6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

EIGHT Sacks, 12 Hurries, TWENTY- EIGHT Pressures!

 

TWENTY ***** EIGHT! The Bills had 66 Plays all night!

 

So, Allan was trying to find one, any, open WR while running for his life 42% of the time!

 

LET THAT SINK IN!

 

 

 

 

 

Louder for the people in the back.

[Scott7975]

11 hours ago, SCBills said:

We don’t have anyone that can win one on one, but Beasley was here with Diggs and Sanders back when our GM cared about WR’s, so I can see where he’s coming from.  

 

He’s also correct that all we run is mesh routes and defenses are completely keyed in on them.   When the pass rush comes quick, Josh just has to guess who might pop open. 
 

Thanks Dion!

 

 

Oh and btw Josh had Palmer. Palmer screwed up. Play it in slow mo. Palmer is running across the 10 yardline when Josh started that throw. Had he continued his direction, he would have flashed in front of the safety and caught that ball... or at least he would have been in position to. Instead he changed his route direction and went upfield while the ball was already in the air. This put him at the 5 and allowed the safety to easily get in front of him for the INT.

 

As much as people want to cry about Knox being open, so was Palmer. Palmer just messed up.

11 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen also missed a wide open Gabe Davis streaking down the side line on the Hawes check down. I cannot wait until the All 22 film comes out. He is missing receivers, but pointing that out you might as well be criticizing Jesus on this forum 

Oh please. If he threw to Gabe and he dropped it or whatever, then everyone on the board would be crying that "he has to take what the defense gives him" " he should take the easier throw" "Hawes was open" People cry no matter what.

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, DapperCam said:

That angle actually makes Palmer seem like the correct target anyway. He was wide open in the end zone. Just a misfire on a day where he got beaten black and blue.

No it wasnt a misfire. It was thrown where it should have been thrown. Palmer was streaking down the 10 yard line. Thats where the pass was going. Palmer adjusted his route upfield after the ball was already in the air. Had Palmer continued his route where he was initially going then he would have boxed out the safety. If he went upfield to the endzone then the safety is in prime position. Palmer screwed the pooch there. Slow the video down and watch it.

10 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

The play call/ concept is a mesh to quite literally get knox wide open. Should of been his first read. 

 

Knox might have been his first read. If thats the case then Allen long moved on before Knox was even in the picture. You think a QB should stay on the first read for how long?

[CincyBillsFan]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Stafford was at a much worse organization.. gripe was much bigger and he still lasted 12 years 

 

He never won a playoff game and his average playoff losses were by 15 

 

We just lost in the AFC championship by a field goal... And win a playoff game at least every year 

 

.696 allen's win percentage 

.476 or something - Stafford's win percentage with the Lions 

 

With zero NFC North titles 

 

Truly that is not even close to the same organizational failure 

 

Again Josh is much closer to Peyton Manning who didn't win a Super bowl till he was 30 but had a bunch of success... Couldn't get by Brady 

I was referring to how Stafford left an organization that could not and/or would not build a roster that could win a Super Bowl to one in LA that could. I see this as a very possible future for Allen if the Bills can't get their act together over the next couple of seasons.  I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

[DapperCam]

12 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

No it wasnt a misfire. It was thrown where it should have been thrown. Palmer was streaking down the 10 yard line. Thats where the pass was going. Palmer adjusted his route upfield after the ball was already in the air. Had Palmer continued his route where he was initially going then he would have boxed out the safety. If he went upfield to the endzone then the safety is in prime position. Palmer screwed the pooch there. Slow the video down and watch it.

Ha, I just saw a better replay. What in the world is Palmer doing? Allen throws the ball exactly where he was going to be and Palmer inexplicably stops his route and kind of cuts up field basically giving the Safety a free interception. To be honest I think Palmer sees the Safety and makes a business decision here, which is pathetic on the last play of the game.

Allen probably thought "I've been getting smacked around all game, surely the WR will absorb a hit to try to win the game."

Really mind boggling.

Edited 52 minutes ago by DapperCam

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Oh and btw Josh had Palmer. Palmer screwed up. Play it in slow mo. Palmer is running across the 10 yardline when Josh started that throw. Had he continued his direction, he would have flashed in front of the safety and caught that ball... or at least he would have been in position to. Instead he changed his route direction and went upfield while the ball was already in the air. This put him at the 5 and allowed the safety to easily get in front of him for the INT.

 

As much as people want to cry about Knox being open, so was Palmer. Palmer just messed up.

Oh please. If he threw to Gabe and he dropped it or whatever, then everyone on the board would be crying that "he has to take what the defense gives him" " he should take the easier throw" "Hawes was open" People cry no matter what.

Allen is being coached to take what the defense gives him, but the down side to that is he is missing the downfield stuff. Maybe you should look at the specific play I am talking about before making comments.

[Simon]

12 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

No it wasnt a misfire. It was thrown where it should have been thrown. Palmer was streaking down the 10 yard line. Thats where the pass was going. Palmer adjusted his route upfield after the ball was already in the air. Had Palmer continued his route where he was initially going then he would have boxed out the safety. If he went upfield to the endzone then the safety is in prime position. Palmer screwed the pooch there. Slow the video down and watch it.

 

It's rare to see an entire paragraph where virtually everything in it is 100% wrong. 

[DapperCam]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It's rare to see an entire paragraph where virtually everything in it is 100% wrong. 

Watch Palmer on the route, he's running across the field and looks like he's going to cut under the Safety. Allen throws the ball to exactly where Palmer is going to be and Palmer stops running his route.

It's impossible to know what Palmer's route is supposed to be (I guess maybe he was supposed to cut over the Safety in the end zone which makes no sense), but considering Allen threw it right where he was running I have to imagine it was there.

EDIT:
If you go to 8:47 in this video they show the All-22 replay repeatedly. Palmer looks surprised the ball is coming his way.
 

 

Edited 31 minutes ago by DapperCam

[colin]

I dunno if it palmer or Allen's error there, it wouldn't have mattered a the gave Davis collision either way (well, we'd get a other shot at least).

 

It felt like we had the game about to won when Gabe cought the dime to the right side, but then he could get his other foot down because he was reaching with his arm to brace his fall, I think that's from being out of football for the better part of a year and being called on to catch a ball in a high leverage situation vs the best d in the NFL.

 

If waddle really was available for a 2026 1st making that trade may well have saved us our last two losses.  He hurt us in Miami, and I'm sure he woulda helped us.  Also, I think we get another 7 vs Houston if waddle was playing over shavers or Elijah.

 

 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Watch Palmer on the route, he's running across the field and looks like he's going to cut under the Safety. Allen throws the ball to exactly where Palmer is going to be and Palmer stops running his route.

It's impossible to know what Palmer's route is supposed to be (I guess maybe he was supposed to cut over the Safety in the end zone which makes no sense), but considering Allen threw it right where he was running I have to imagine it was there.

 

The safety had it read the whole way, Palmer recognized that and adjusted the route upfield because it was going to be broken up if he stays flat.

Unfortunately Allen had to get rid of the ball before he wanted to because Edwards screwed up at the snap and chased a zone dawg across the LOS for no reason. If he just drops into passpro like he's supposed to, he easily picks up the twist that created the pressure that forced Allen to throw the ball before the read/route was complete.

If Edwards just does his job instead of chasing ghosts, that's a TD to Palmer (that gets called back on the OPI).