If Missing the Playoffs Is What it Will Take for Change, Would You Welcome It?

[mjt328]

There is a divide amongst the Bills fanbase.

 

One side has PTSD from the 2000s drought.  They are petrified about making a change, because they are worried about going back to being a totally irrelevant and joke of a franchise.  So they would prefer keeping the status quo, because Beane/McDermott means Buffalo should at least be in the playoffs and competitive most years.

 

The other side has PTSD from the 90s Super Bowl teams.  They are petrified about NOT making a change, because they are worried we are going to waste another golden era (Hall of Fame roster vs. Hall of Fame QB) without hoisting a Lombardi.  They would rather take the chance of things getting worse and going backwards, as opposed to being comfortable with just being good.

 

[Avisan]

This poll is hot garbage, BTW.  Needs a "No, I do not want to miss the playoffs, period" option.

[DCOrange]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Close to zero chance McDermott is fired.

 

Maybe 50/50 that Beane goes though. The owner will want to be talked into the idea of keeping McDermott at least, so that might be the route.

 

IF there is a change Daboll will be HC. Pegula loves him as does Josh. 

I'm not saying it's impossible, but man, the optics of firing a guy that's generally considered a top 10-15 coach to hire someone who just got fired from one of the most patient but inept organizations in the league for underperforming and generally being a nightmare to work with would really be something lol.

 

I suspect if McDermott is gone, Beane is too and we're bringing in a brand new voice rather than someone from the old regime. There will be other, better options out there.

[Low Positive]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Brother, you KNOW what I want to see happen. I have radical solutions to the Bills' problems 

How do you deal with this:

[Freddie's Dead]

McDummy has run his course.  Even healthy this defense blew, so I don't want to hear about injuries.  He needs to go.

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There is a divide amongst the Bills fanbase.

 

One side has PTSD from the 2000s drought.  They are petrified about making a change, because they are worried about going back to being a totally irrelevant and joke of a franchise.  So they would prefer keeping the status quo, because Beane/McDermott means Buffalo should at least be in the playoffs and competitive most years.

 

The other side has PTSD from the 90s Super Bowl teams.  They are petrified about NOT making a change, because they are worried we are going to waste another golden era (Hall of Fame roster vs. Hall of Fame QB) without hoisting a Lombardi.  They would rather take the chance of things getting worse and going backwards, as opposed to being comfortable with just being good.

 

I don't fall into either one of those camps. I just realize that making an organizational change means a multi-year rebuild while a new GM and HC reset the cap and roster to play how they want to play. We might as well completely pull off the band-aid and trade the franchise QB too, because he would be mid-30's before we would be ready to contend again, and that's only if they get all those moves right. And the next few drafts have very few QBs in them, even if you have a top pick. Also, if the Bills trade the QB they immediately go back to being a small market where no one wants to play. So, I think the Bills are screwed. I see no way out. My mood today is, "just move the franchise to Toronto so I can stop caring." I'm actually mad that the lease on the new stadium makes that impossible. I can't believe that WNY invested all that money, just to watch a 4-win team in the cold. 

[IYKYK]

14 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There is a divide amongst the Bills fanbase.

 

One side has PTSD from the 2000s drought.  They are petrified about making a change, because they are worried about going back to being a totally irrelevant and joke of a franchise.  So they would prefer keeping the status quo, because Beane/McDermott means Buffalo should at least be in the playoffs and competitive most years.

 

The other side has PTSD from the 90s Super Bowl teams.  They are petrified about NOT making a change, because they are worried we are going to waste another golden era (Hall of Fame roster vs. Hall of Fame QB) without hoisting a Lombardi.  They would rather take the chance of things getting worse and going backwards, as opposed to being comfortable with just being good.

 

Makes you wonder why we support this joke of a team and organization. 

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I don't fall into either one of those camps. I just realize that making an organizational change means a multi-year rebuild while a new GM and HC reset the cap and roster to play how they want to play. We might as well completely pull off the band-aid and trade the franchise QB too, because he would be mid-30's before we would be ready to contend again, and that's only if they get all those moves right. And the next few drafts have very few QBs in them, even if you have a top pick. Also, if the Bills trade the QB they immediately go back to being a small market where no one wants to play. So, I think the Bills are screwed. I see no way out. My mood today is, "just move the franchise to Toronto so I can stop caring." I'm actually mad that the lease on the new stadium makes that impossible. I can't believe that WNY invested all that money, just to watch a 4-win team in the cold. 

I totally disagree 100% with this take. We have one of the best Quarterbacks in the league. We won’t need multiple years of losing to right the ship. A good coach and a good OC next year would completely change this organizations losing mentality.

[TBBills Fan]

I've been in a toxic relationship with the bills for close to 40 years.  I can't ever root for them to lose and as sad as I am today, I will find some homer hope by next weekend

 

It's gonna be a long weekend tho. 

 

 

[MJS]

I root for the Bills to win. Every game. I never root for a loss.

 

You can all try to do the mental gymnastics and postulate on what will fix the team and who needs to be fired and replaced if you want. I might even agree on some of it. But I only root for the team to win. I don't care about getting a higher draft pick or tanking for a certain player or to get a coach fired. I root for the Bills to win.

[TBBills Fan]

2 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

Makes you wonder why we support this joke of a team and organization. 

I totally disagree 100% with this take. We have one of the best Quarterbacks in the league. We won’t need multiple years of losing to right the ship. A good coach and a good OC next year would completely change this organizations losing mentality.

Who is this good coach and OC you speak of?

 

The grass isn't always greener. That said, it's hard not to think about at least an OC change

 

I don't see any way McBeane goes before opening the new stadium 

[IYKYK]

Just now, TBBills Fan said:

Who is this good coach and OC you speak of?

 

The grass isn't always greener. That said, it's hard not to think about at least an OC change

 

I don't see any way McBeane goes before opening the new stadium 

I’ll put you down as happy with this teams direction. 

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

Makes you wonder why we support this joke of a team and organization.

It doesn't make me wonder at all. The Bills are my team. Being a sports fan means you go through the highs and the lows. Otherwise, just be a bandwagon fan for whatever team is good at the time.

[5ths the charm]

3 hours ago, JP51 said:

I agree here... I think we can all debate on if the team needs change... and probably agree it does and potentially radical at that... I think realistically TP will do absolutely nothing to effect that change... and I mean nothing... so the best you are gonna get is Brady or Babich gone at the end of the year... at very very very most...  I think despite all of our issues we need to make peace with that or not... 

Sadly he is of the less is more approach.

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, IYKYK said:

I’ll put you down as happy with this teams direction. 

You can put me down for whatever you want, but that does make it true. 

 

I'm certainly not happy after yesterday or this years roller coaster ride...

 

However, I'm old enough to know that change can make things better OR worse.  

 

That said, who do you see as a better coach and what do you think they will need to do to get us over the hump? 

 

For me, I don't see a Head coach out there but for OC I'd love to see us give someone like Webb a shot.  But again, change doesn't guarantee better results. It's just a fact of life

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

It doesn't make me wonder at all. The Bills are my team. Being a sports fan means you go through the highs and the lows. Otherwise, just be a bandwagon fan for whatever team is good at the time.

Exactly. He's probably been a fan since 2020...

[The Jokeman]

I would welcome not making the playoffs if meant we'd get a top 15 pick in the draft to infuse us more talent. 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

I totally disagree 100% with this take. We have one of the best Quarterbacks in the league. We won’t need multiple years of losing to right the ship. A good coach and a good OC next year would completely change this organizations losing mentality.

For example. Remember the constant cycling between 3-4 and 4-3 defenses. If the new hire wants to run a 3-4, we would need to get all new LBs to run that. We have massive cap resources invested in the ones we have now, so that takes a season of suckling to clear the space to rebuild. Then another season for the new players to gel. We used to go through this cycle every three years, where a new coach would want new schemes and the roster they inherited didn't fit their needs. I could go dredge out old threads to prove my point, but I think we can all remember this process if we think back hard enough. 

[Greg S]

It does seem that a change should happen. Its been 9 years and now the team seems to be getting worse. The Eagles eventually moved on from Reid and he had more success there than McDermott has had here. I doubt Terry cleans house. Beane and McDermott will be back next year.

[IYKYK]

Just now, TBBills Fan said:

You can put me down for whatever you want, but that does make it true. 

 

I'm certainly not happy after yesterday or this years roller coaster ride...

 

However, I'm old enough to know that change can make things better OR worse.  

 

That said, who do you see as a better coach and what do you think they will need to do to get us over the hump? 

 

For me, I don't see a Head coach out there but for OC I'd love to see us give someone like Webb a shot.  But again, change doesn't guarantee better results. It's just a fact of life

I don’t want Webb anywhere near the OC position. Last year was the year to choose a new coach. There were several coaches available who would have done a better job with this team in the nine years mcdermott has been the coach he still fails to grasp in game changes when it’s not working. His run first offense with one of the best Quarterbacks in history is a crime. Let’s trade Allen and play trubisky if all he has to do is hand the ball off. 

[machine gun kelly]

Sorry, but it’s not McD for me as much as Beane and Brady.  Terry should force McD to offer at least a rehire of Daboll if he’s willing to take an OC job.  Daboll is not getting another HC job soon.  McD should also be directed to control the defense, and if he hires a new DC, he’s really there for camp and practice, not calling the defense as that is McD’s job.  If he doesn’t like it, fire McD.  People blame McD a little too much (just one man’s opinion).

 

Hes turned this team around from the desert for 17 years.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

29 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There is a divide amongst the Bills fanbase.

 

One side has PTSD from the 2000s drought.  They are petrified about making a change, because they are worried about going back to being a totally irrelevant and joke of a franchise.  So they would prefer keeping the status quo, because Beane/McDermott means Buffalo should at least be in the playoffs and competitive most years.

 

The other side has PTSD from the 90s Super Bowl teams.  They are petrified about NOT making a change, because they are worried we are going to waste another golden era (Hall of Fame roster vs. Hall of Fame QB) without hoisting a Lombardi.  They would rather take the chance of things getting worse and going backwards, as opposed to being comfortable with just being good.

 

I am both, which is why I didnt vote.

 

Anyway, Pegs not firing McBean, and McBean not firing Brady.

 

My solution is to let Josh call every play on offense.  Brady's job is to let Josh know if he sees something up there that Josh can't see.

 

Let Josh do the offensive game planning, set the roster, the whole thing.  He's that good.  Now move all your coaching talent to defense to fix that mess.