If Missing the Playoffs Is What it Will Take for Change, Would You Welcome It?

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The proverbial chickens have come home to roost.

 

years and years of neglecting WR, throwing around cap space to bring in overpaid scrubs on bad contracts (Curtis Samuel), extending our super core of JAG+ defensive players to the tune of like $200M. 
 

We have a crappy roster with a good OL and a great QB, no cap space, no maneuverability, and nowhere to go but down.

9 years looking for a pass rush that the Texans had last night.

 

Hey Mcdummy it's not about your stupid frickin rotation. You just need two des that are absolutely awesome like hunter and Anderson. You know like Bruce and biscuit.... 

 

Almost 10 years and nothing close to that defense last night.

 

It pisses me off 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kelly to Allen

[May Day 10]

Let's say Pegula fires Beane and McDermott.  Hires the next latest and greatest offensive coach hire and his grocery-getter GM...

 

 

Can anything be done to flip this thing around in one offseason?  It looks like they are up against the wall for the foreseeable future.  I think there is like $30 Million in Void years next year.  Have a bunch of bad money spent otherwise.  

[Ray Finkel]

Go get a real President of Football who can talk some sense into Pegula and make sure he has no ties to McDermott or Beane

[twist_to_open]

17 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I agree on Beane.  I question whether Terry blows the whole thing (McD included) up unless Josh puts his foot down.  What I can see happening, based on no inside knowledge, is Josh getting frustrated, and Terry making a simple, safe move (Belichick, proven winner [I suppose, if one discounts Brady and video] and new defensive staff; Daboll, keep some holdovers on the offensive staff) to placate Josh and to mitigate risk.  If McD does stay, then one has to wonder who the sacrificial lamb will be.  The bet here is Brady and the S/C staff, with some changes on the defensive side of the ball that might not include Babich.  

That was the thought I had. Does Josh have the clout with Terry to institute change if he feels it's necessary?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Allen had a chance to win this game despite EVERYTHING. On 4th and 6 he had Knox wide open. Go look at 17:18 

 

 

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The proverbial chickens have come home to roost.

 

years and years of neglecting WR, throwing around cap space to bring in overpaid scrubs on bad contracts (Curtis Samuel), extending our super core of JAG+ defensive players to the tune of like $200M. 
 

We have a crappy roster with a good OL and a great QB, no cap space, no maneuverability, and nowhere to go but down.

I dunno about the down part.  There's a way to fix this.  If I'm the owner, as absurd as this sounds, I wonder if a defensive head coach is in order.  To me the D is the huge issue here, and a coordinator change and a couple of WRs would do wonders for the offense. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, May Day 10 said:

Let's say Pegula fires Beane and McDermott.  Hires the next latest and greatest offensive coach hire and his grocery-getter GM...

 

 

Can anything be done to flip this thing around in one offseason?  It looks like they are up against the wall for the foreseeable future.  I think there is like $30 Million in Void years next year.  Have a bunch of bad money spent otherwise.  

It will take 2 seasons.  Fans need to understand the "window" was wasted and slammed shut.

[SectionC3]

Just now, twist_to_open said:

That was the thought I had. Does Josh have the clout with Terry to institute change if he feels it's necessary?

Oh yeah. 

[Mike R]

The Bills may as well miss the playoffs. They are one and done if they do sneak in. The offense is wildly inconsistent and just doesn’t have a go to receiver. The o line was completely physically manhandled today and had no answers. The defense is in cap hell by resigning and over paying players in decline. Over paying free agents that never make any difference. Poyer and Tre were great for the Bills but they are done. Bernard has been awful, Milano is done, Taron Johnson has seemed to tank, Benford has sucked this year, Rousseau is invisible after the big extension, Epenesa has always been just a guy, Rapp has been garbage and now out, Kincaid is injury prone and can’t stay on the field, Knox is over paid, Coleman is a bust, Samuels is a waste of money. Just go through the roster.

Add in the fact that the Bills coaching staff cannot out scheme or be of any help in preparing or inspiring this team to play with any energy or come up with any plays when it matters and you have current state of the Bills. How many years do we continuously invest in the defensive line with absolutely no return? Where the hell is the pass rush every single year? Miss the playoffs and blow the damn thing up. Get some younger players to replace these low energy limited aging players.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Let's say Pegula fires Beane and McDermott.  Hires the next latest and greatest offensive coach hire and his grocery-getter GM...

 

 

Can anything be done to flip this thing around in one offseason?  It looks like they are up against the wall for the foreseeable future.  I think there is like $30 Million in Void years next year.  Have a bunch of bad money spent otherwise.  

 

I'm willing to do a full reset to get younger and build with an experienced offensive mind 

 

I want Allens 2nd part of his career to be with a Mike shanahan archetype similar to Elway 

Edited 54 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, May Day 10 said:

Let's say Pegula fires Beane and McDermott.  Hires the next latest and greatest offensive coach hire and his grocery-getter GM...

 

 

Can anything be done to flip this thing around in one offseason?  It looks like they are up against the wall for the foreseeable future.  I think there is like $30 Million in Void years next year.  Have a bunch of bad money spent otherwise.  

Yes.  Denver did it with a competent coach.  Watching 190lb Taron Johnson playing Linebacker on a 4th and 1 getting dragged 7 yards by the Running Back sums up the McDermott defense.  It needs to be blown up and Mcdermott needs to go with it.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

Yes.  Denver did it with a competent coach.  Watching 190lb Taron Johnson playing Linebacker on a 4th and 1 getting dragged 7 yards by the Running Back sums up the McDermott defense.  It needs to be blown up and Mcdermott needs to go with it.  

 

I know this is old school, and the NFL has changed but man oh man I wish our linebackers were more like pepper Johnson or sam cowart 

 

I'm so sick and tired of our defense getting pushed around. 

[May Day 10]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Yes.  Denver did it with a competent coach.  Watching 190lb Taron Johnson playing Linebacker on a 4th and 1 getting dragged 7 yards by the Running Back sums up the McDermott defense.  It needs to be blown up and Mcdermott needs to go with it.  

 

That is when I stopped watching primarily and started playing Factorio with the game in the background

[Kirby Jackson]

For all of the people saying that, “there’s no chance that these guys get fired,” I wouldn’t be so sure about that. How he’s handled the Sabres isn’t relevant in this discussion. The Bills and Sabres aren’t equal. The Sabres were his first love that he bought for under $190M. Their value has increased substantially since then. Hockey is still a niche sport that regional. For context, the Bills are worth 5x of the Sabres and $5.7B more than he paid for the Sabres. The external pressure to owning a football team is exponentially greater. If Adams remains the GM, no one says anything. It barely gets talked about on WGR. If the Bills fail, the whole country/world is paying attention. The Bills are a much bigger priority for him.

[BuffaloBillyG]

No. Because missing the playoffs this year won't likely change a thing. At the very most, if we are lucky, we will get a memo from the Bills that say they have full faith in both Beane and McDermott, they will mention injuries and then they will end it hyping up the new stadium. 

 

At the MOST that I believe we can hope for is a new OC and a new DC, but enthusiasm for that will be short lives when they promote from within for both spots.

[Bangarang]

Beane is the biggest problem we have but because he and McD are a package deal then both would need to go. 

 

Unfortunately, Terry is a terrible sports owner and he won't make changes to the team. 

[May Day 10]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

For all of the people saying that, “there’s no chance that these guys get fired,” I wouldn’t be so sure about that. How he’s handled the Sabres isn’t relevant in this discussion. The Bills and Sabres aren’t equal. The Sabres were his first love that he bought for under $190M. Their value has increased substantially since then. Hockey is still a niche sport that regional. For context, the Bills are worth 5x of the Sabres and $5.7B more than he paid for the Sabres. The external pressure to owning a football team is exponentially greater. If Adams remains the GM, no one says anything. It barely gets talked about on WGR. If the Bills fail, the whole country/world is paying attention. The Bills are a much bigger priority for him.

 

From the standpoint of a guy who was once a huge Sabres fan over the Bills...

 

The most important thing for Terry Pegula is his own comfort in the building.  He wants to feel like he has a voice that is respected, and he wants to feel like he has people in place who he deems are quality "authentic" (his and Kim's word) and trustworthy.  A nod to a bit of devout faith is a bonus as well.

 

He is more than comfortable with McDermott and Beane in all those ways.  Watching Hard Knocks cements that feeling for me.  Pegula stammering around and Beane and McDermott catering to that.  

 

 

The calls for change arent loud at all.  This is Buffalo and the talk of that is basically confined to message boards and group texts.  The Buffalo news is declawed and WGR is no tiger.  Nationally, there is zero talk of changes in Buffalo.  

[Mike R]

26 minutes ago, Southern McButterpants said:

Yeah, I'm done. I've been done with the Sabres for years - don't care, don't watch don't follow (I said at the time that the tank wouldn't work because this is Buffalo - why would anyone think that would work?).

 

I said after last year's AFCCG that i needed to step away. I am furious today.

 

Furious that this regime (McBeane) will continue in perpetuity.

Furious that even if Brady leaves, they'll bring in/promote some nobody to run the offense.

Furious that we are wasting JA17 - He'll never win a championship here.

Furious that I'm 61, and I will never see a person wearing a charging Buffalo raise the Lombardi.

Furious that I fell for this BS again.

Furious that after all of the investment in the defense - draft picks, FA signings, etc. that this pathetic group of losers who don't know (or maybe care)  how to tackle show up week after week after week.... THAT defense in those ridiculous red helmets and bad pajamas is what you want  - great talent evaluation on that side of the ball.

Furious that our GM went on a local radio station and admonished the host for saying that a #1 wide receiver was a necessity.

Furious that a crap team like Houston (and Atlanta and Miami for that matter) B word slapped us all night and NO ONE did a thing about it, except go the to blue tent to nurse their sore balls after repeated kicks.

Furious that they're wasting how many millions of cap space on Curtis Samuel who apparently is made of very thin glass.

Furious that once again, we're saying, "Wait 'til next year."

Good rant. I feel your pain and feel the same as a 63 year old that gets his hopes up every year only to see half effort bumbling and stumbling across the board. There is no hope. Beane and McDingleberry will never be fired. The Bills are making money and Josh is cash cow. The only way it changes is if Josh has had enough and demands it and he never will. We will just have to watch his career slowly go downhill as he gets beat up. Window is closed.

[Coffeesforclosers]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't want to miss the playoffs to force regime change, no. 

 

But I am increasingly of the view Beane has to go. I know we have some injuries but this roster beyond 4 or 5 guys sucks. It really does. And by extension that means McDermott has to go, because to me they are a package deal, I want my GM and coach being a package deal and replacing one then forcing a new person on the other almost never works. 

 

I'm coming around to this point of view. McDermott seems to be running short of ideas on D, like later-years Belichick. In that his core concepts seem to be married to specific physical traits at specific positions, which build structural weaknesses into his units.

 

Simply put, you can't run a defensive philosophy based on forcing the opponent into long drives when:

 

1. Your run defense is catastrophic.

2. You're mediocre at best on 3rd down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Coffeesforclosers

[4th&long]

It's not just the coaching and gm that need to go. There are more than a few players that look like they lack effort and it's time foe a change of scenery. I don't trudging Pegula to do the right thing.