Let’s talk D

[BillsShredder83]

50 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

The in game adjustment was run a 3-4 D & have Dorian Williams running in to clean up the run per Joe Marino, which worked a little better. Don't know if it's a long term fix this season, but not sure it can be worse.

Encouraging to see something we dont usually see. Not just default D , every scenario,  every team 

[Simon]

The majority of the Bills problems on defense are rooted in the issues at DT and it's not likely to get any better unless Oliver returns.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, cage said:

Did Hairston play today??  I don't think I saw him a single time

i saw him once. I didn’t see Hancock at all. Would love to know the snap counts. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

32 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Right with TJ Sanders setting the edge. Crazy. Not sure what McD is supposed to do at this point, especially if Bosa is going to be out or limited with the arm. 

If Bosa missed time it would hurt the pass rush, yet I think it would give a boost to the run defense. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, cage said:

Did Hairston play today??  I don't think I saw him a single time

 

Tre started and played the first few series then Hairston played a bunch after that.

[gobills404]

Start Hancock and Shaq Thompson when he’s back and move Bernard to WLB. But the best thing we can do for our run defense at this point is just score points and force opposing offenses to play catch up.

49 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

Pass rush is lackluster and there is no one that is even remotely consistent enough. Far too often the pass rush is neutralized. We are not a very good blitzing team either. 

This is simply not true. The Bills are 4th in pressure percentage and 5th in sack percentage.

[Simon]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i saw him once. I didn’t see Hancock at all. Would love to know the snap counts. 

 

They're still bringing Hancock in for Poyer on anything longer than about 3rd/6.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, cage said:

Did Hairston play today??  I don't think I saw him a single time

Seriously? He missed quite a few tackles toward end zone.

[5ths the charm]

McDermott is using the bend don't break defense that focuses on the principle of pressure creates turnovers. We just don't create enough pressure and get steamrolled by the run. Our offense rolls during the regular season until we come up against the best defenses and then we get stuffed but can't stop them. It's like a bad dream that comes back every year.

[TFBillsfan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If Bosa missed time it would hurt the pass rush, yet I think it would give a boost to the run defense. 

Then why not start AJE and bring in Bosa on obvious passing downs? 

[5ths the charm]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Start Hancock and Shaq Thompson when he’s back and move Bernard to WLB. But the best thing we can do for our run defense at this point is just score points and force opposing offenses to play catch up.

This is simply not true. The Bills are 4th in pressure percentage and 5th in sack percentage.

How many sacks did we have today?

[Maine-iac]

Hoecht was great as a hybrid DT pasher.  Solomon should not be coming up the middle.  Stunt or no stunt he's an edge guy.  Once an O lineman gets their hands on him he's neutralized.

Edited 9 hours ago by Maine-iac

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, TFBillsfan said:

Then why not start AJE and bring in Bosa on obvious passing downs? 

Fair question. 

 

I would think it's because they want Bosa out there to rush the passer on other downs as well 

[TFBillsfan]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Start Hancock and Shaq Thompson when he’s back and move Bernard to WLB. But the best thing we can do for our run defense at this point is just score points and force opposing offenses to play catch up.

This is simply not true. The Bills are 4th in pressure percentage and 5th in sack percentage.

Frankly, I give zero weight to pressure percentage!

[Maine-iac]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Fair question. 

 

I would think it's because they want Bosa out there to rush the passer on other downs as well 

AJ got completely rooted on a big run to his side.  Bosa might make a mistake as to where the run is going but he seldom gets washed out of the play.  I'm not saying Bosa is great against the run but he's hit or miss.  If he gets it right he can blow a run up.   I also think AJ might have been on a snap count just coming back from the protocol.  

[BuffaloRebound]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

The majority of the Bills problems on defense are rooted in the issues at DT and it's not likely to get any better unless Oliver returns.

Then you can’t have milano, bernard, and taron out there on running downs.  They’re way too small to take on O Linemen who get to the 2nd level.  Gonna have to sacrifice some pass defense if the run defense remains this bad.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

28 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So am I suppose to forget the 4 long tds he was eating dust the past 2 games? 

Look dude I'm not saying Poyer is an All Pro anymore.But, it 's a bit harsh to blame all those long TDs on him and not give credit for making saving tackles and most of all settling down the secondary. Since he's replaced Rapp the secondary is playing better due to his leadership and communication.

[Maine-iac]

7 minutes ago, 5ths the charm said:

How many sacks did we have today?

I think it was one.  Jones got one late in the game.  Bosa almost got there a couple times and Groot almost got there.  Part of the problem is what ever combination they're using at DT is getting moved out so bad that Baker was stepping up and escaping pretty easily.  I think they kept using Solomon up the middle on longer yardage pass plays and it was failing.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

AJ got completely rooted on a big run to his side.  Bosa might make a mistake as to where the run is going but he seldom gets washed out of the play.  I'm not saying Bosa is great against the run but he's hit or miss.  If he gets it right he can blow a run up.   I also think AJ might have been on a snap count just coming back from the protocol.  

Yeah, guys get got on a weekly basis. AJ may not be a premier edge setter, but I'll give him credit on improving over the years.

 

Remember the Patriots Wind game where her kept getting blown up by a WR? He's come a long way. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

After this game, the Bills may be dead last in run D. 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Outside of Hoecht and Oliver, the rest of the D is for the most part healthy. 
 

After ten games in, what needs to change? Is the run game D issues the DL or LB? The secondary looks somewhat better but that soft zone on 3rd and long has to change. It’s embarrassing watching the Bills D consistently giving up easy 3rd and long conversions.

 

Pass rush is lackluster and there is no one that is even remotely consistent enough. Far too often the pass rush is neutralized. We are not a very good blitzing team either. 
 

Would love to hear other’s thoughts on how this D improves down the stretch?  There is no calvary coming so unless we plan on winning every game in a shootout something has to change!

We basically do nothing well with this current group of cats.

 

i can’t think of a single strength of this defense.

 

we just have to hope the young players get better and the old players get healthier.