$55m to run 13

[Nihilarian]

McD needs to start thinking about promoting Bills O line coach Aaron Kromer to OC, or Bills TE coach Rob Boras or QBs coach Ronald Curry. 

 

Hiring a passing game specialist after the season. My take is Bills OC Joe Brady is mailing it in...

[Bill from NYC]

9 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Well under Daboll Josh was a turnover machine. I like our run first approach but the passing offense has to be schemed better and it starts with the personnel.

I really do see your point, however the NFL is now primarily a passing league. Football was great in the days of the Steel Curtain, The Ken Stabler Raiders, The Earl Campbell Oilers, etc. but those days are gone.

 

The Bills are a team with a great quarterback, a very good (imo) OL, and inadequate wide receivers. This is unthinkably stupid, yet they dedicate their best draft resources to cornerbacks and DTs, and have done so since the arrival of McDermott.  If they get rid of McDermott, this team would improve immediately.

 

Once again this is jmo.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

4 hours ago, BananaB said:

Just adds to my point. Don’t follow many teams,  for some reason I thought he bounced around the league a bit

I like the way you spun this. Yea I'm wrong but it proves I'm right. Well played.

[Nihilarian]

I just don't buy that the current receivers corps is the worst in the league as Shakir looks like the best slot WR or one of the best. Dalton Kincaid is one of the best TEs and Knox is not that far behind. Some of the Bills current receivers have the speed to get open and are simply not being utilized properly. We all saw that Josh Palmer can get open and get separation. Keon Coleman is not as bad as so many say and Moore is not that bad either as he simply isn't being thrown to enough.

 

In my view this all rests on the shoulders of OC Joe Brady as his game plan against Miami was bleak. Miami stopped the run and Brady had no answer.

[Mike R]

McDermott is a defensive coach. In his mind it makes sense to run a ball control run first offense. If it works your win percentage goes way up. You control the times of possession and limit the possessions for your opposition. It worked last year and in the pass happy modern nfl it actually looked like the Bills were ahead of the curve in running heavy personal against faster smaller defensive players. The problem is the Bills defense has smaller lighter lb’s and lineman so it works against us also. Only problem is our smaller lb’s and db’s are also slow. Now we can’t stop the good passing teams and we could never stop the good running teams. McD doubled down on the run first, time consuming offense to protect his weak defense to try to keep his injury riddled small slow defense off the field. It didn’t look good but it was working against crappy teams and the Bills had an easy schedule against weak teams. Now they can’t switch gears and turn on the up tempo pass game when they fall behind and teams have figured out their weak offense. McD will always have a defensive philosophy and won’t hire or let an OC run a high powered pass offense even though they have MVP Josh Allen now only handing the ball over and throwing lateral screens. It’s sickening.

Teams have figured the Bills out. They aren’t good enough to just impose their will and run into 8 man fronts and they have no one to stretch the field and all the throwing lanes are cluttered up with defenses cheating up. They can’t beat the blitz and there isn’t even room for Josh to run anymore. He is neutered.

[Gugny]

I’m probably the dumb one here … but what the f*ck is “running the 13?”

[BillsMontreal]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m probably the dumb one here … but what the f*ck is “running the 13?”

Heavy formation 

[Wayne Cubed]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m probably the dumb one here … but what the f*ck is “running the 13?”

 

In formations, first number is the number of running backs. The second number denotes number of tight ends. When someone says running 13, they mean there is 1 rb and 3 te's in the formation. 

[Mike R]

1 hour ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

This offense is McDermotts vision and he's absolutely convinced it will win him a Superbowl. This guy can't be fired fast enough. He's turned Allen into Trent Edwards. He makes Dick Jauron look like Bill Walsh.

What are you talking about? The guy is a genius. He’s moved on from his complementary football quote to “2 dimensional offense”. It’s a very complicated and difficult offense where you run the ball and also pass the ball. McD is on it! Don’t worry.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

49 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Hiring a passing game specialist after the season. My take is Bills OC Joe Brady is mailing it in...

Someone switched Brady's notes.  His current playbook assumes Trent Edwards is the QB.

[Psautcsk]

35 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m probably the dumb one here … but what the f*ck is “running the 13?”

Play the game to score 13 points and have the defense bend,  but not break.

[Nihilarian]

McDermott might be a defensive minded HC who is now calling the defensive signals but if he wants his team to start winning again he needs to get his head into the offensive scheme besides the run game. Start learning about how that Erhardt-Perkins offensive passing scheme works.

 

It's what the NE Patriots used to win all those Super Bowls and Brady didn't have a star studded receiver corps all those years. In 2014, they had Gronk, Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Shane Vereen. Those last two WHO? Even the leading RB for them in 2014 was Jonas Gray. I mean come on, all this talk of we need better receivers is phooey! 

 

So now all of a sudden it doesn't work...BS!  You know how I know that? Because they are still utilizing the very same scheme and its damn well working for them!!!!!!

[dcinmuncie]

39 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m probably the dumb one here … but what the f*ck is “running the 13?”

i believe it's three tight ends

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Play the game to score 13 points and have the defense bend,  but not break.

Well, I guess that’s better than leaving it up to the head coach to not f*ck the last 13 seconds of an imminent playoff victory. 

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Balance is the key.  We’re not there.  Also, we can be balanced without neutering 17. 

Balance across the three phases is also key....We sucked yesterday on Offense, Defense and Special Teams.   BTW, our ST has been pretty mediocre....Shakir is out on punt return purely to make fair catch...that ain't cutting it.    Sean calls this as complimentary football...but we are anything but complimentary

[Nihilarian]

8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Erhardt-Perkins offensive passing scheme

The 2025 New England Patriots are still utilizing that very same offensive scheme that they used with Tom Brady to win all those SBs and they are currently 8-2 leading the AFC East. 

 

Their leading receiver is Stefon Diggs 61 targets, 50 receptions for 554 yards, 3 TDs. They have a top 10 offense, 8th in points, 10th in yards with a +73 point differential. Their defense is also top 10, 6th in points allowed, 8th in yards allowed and they are winning so much because they were 4-13 last season and have a very weak schedule. 

 

Vomit on that! 

[BillsVet]

 

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I believe that McDermott and Brady have settled on this offensive approach out of necessity rather than what they want to play in order to compensate for bad personnel decisions by Beane and the scouts in the draft and free agency.

 

If the defense didn't suck and the offense had good receivers the strategy would change to open up the passing game. Add in problems with injuries which might be due to a bad training program and staff and this team is a mess with a generational QB in Allen and a great RB in Cook.

 

If the front office hit on more 1-4 round players they could maximize Allen and the performance of the offense instead of compensating for the team's weaknesses that are mostly on defense.

 

McDermott doesn't strike me as a guy who "settles" on anything with a coordinator.  He's the guy who tells the coordinator what he expects.   

 

Besides, personnel decisions were made to support this offensive scheme.  The resistance to finding a top receiver, the UFA/draft decisions along with the emphasis on running the ball more signal this is what McD wanted all along.  He finally got it and it's turned to garbage.  

 

Since January 2017 the lead voice in this organization is Sean McDermott and nothing is outside his oversight or control, especially their playing philosophy. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

McDermott doesn't strike me as a guy who "settles" on anything with a coordinator.  He's the guy who tells the coordinator what he expects.   

 

Besides, personnel decisions were made to support this offensive scheme.  The resistance to finding a top receiver, the UFA/draft decisions along with the emphasis on running the ball more signal this is what McD wanted all along.  He finally got it and it's turned to garbage.  

 

Since January 2017 the lead voice in this organization is Sean McDermott and nothing is outside his oversight or control, especially their playing philosophy. 

If playing 1970's style offense in the 2020's with a generational QB talent is the plan then we're doomed to season after season of repetitive failure until some time in the distant future when ownership wakes up to reality.

Edited 2 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[Negan]

This is Beane's vision right? He wants this offense to be what we're seeing.

[Einstein]

13 hours ago, Brand J said:

He hasn’t been utilized as a superstar QB this season

 

I have mulled this over for a while and I think Allen has received such conflicting advice ovr his career that he feels a bit yo-yo’d.

 

He has had 3 different OC’s in the past 4 years, and each are very different from one another. 

 

This current iteration Joe Brady offense is one that can beat up bad/stupid defenses by dinking and dunking and throwing WR screens a million times, but as soon as a team collapses the field and plays the sticks, like the Dolphins did, the offense falls apart.

 

Look at all the Dolphin defenders at the sticks just daring us to go deeper.

 

 

Daboll had his warts too but he stressed the defense to cover all areas of the field and was very good at scheming guys open in that intermediate zone.

 

Ive said it for over a year now - I don’t like the way Brady runs his offense. I don’t care that we score a bazillion points against bad teams.

 

Part of the inconsistency we see is baked in to type of offense we run. We have so many plays that are boom or bust. No second option. The WR screens are one of them - they’re dead on arrival half the time, if not more.