Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[WideNine]

47 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Mehhhh idk. Seems like exactly the kind of fire we could use right now. 

 

Not on the field, but in the locker room yeah.

 

Extolling guys on the sidelines and getting them fired up yeah.

 

Temper tantrums on the sidelines and quitting during games? Not so much 

 

Just IMO.

 

 

 

 

[billieve420]

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No he isn't.  Everyone keeps posting about how "Allen pushed for Coleman" when there isn't the slightest proof that happened.  And in fact it goes against how low key Allen appears to be in these things.  

 

And please don't link to the article saying how Allen sent Coleman a text saying "welcome to the Bills" and he was looking forward to "working with him".  That's what every QB would do.  And it's no big deal that the text went out before the Friday draft started as the Bills had the first pick that day.

 

You don't have to be Ian Rappaport to figure out what probably happened.  Bean told Allen in the days leading up to the draft that the Bills were going to take a WR with their #1 pick.  I'm sure Allen got excited and Bean then probably told Allen what the parameters were going to be and who was likely going to be available at that point and he asked Allen for his opinion. 

 

Obviously an athletic, big bodied WR was the Bills greatest need and would appeal to Allen.  And given that the Bills had Shakir guys like MaConkey would be less appealing.   But Allen didn't vet these receivers the Bills scouting staff did.  Allen likely got sheets with the pros & cons of the guys who the Bills were thinking of selecting late in the 1st round.

 

Do you or anyone else believe for one minute that Bean went to Allen and said "hey Josh we want to draft a WR in the 1st round and we're vacillating between moving up in the draft and taking one of the studs or staying put and taking one of the guys late in the 1st" and Allen then pushed back and said "Brandon I love this guy Coleman, lets just stay put and pick him".

 

If you haven't figured this out by now Allen is the consummate Company man.  He will support whatever senior management wants to do.  

 

 

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/news/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-keon-coleman-pre-draft

On Eric Woods show mentioned that Allen texted Beane heading into Day 2 and how much he liked Coleman’s game. I don’t doubt that Allen didn’t have some type of input on what team could use when it came to the type of receiver they needed. 
 

The Bills look like they just chose the wrong guy.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by billieve420

[bobobonators]

I cannot remember the quarter/time of game, but there was a play that broke down and Allen scrambled. All WR adjusted and Shakir ended up getting the completion. However when you watch the replay you can see Coleman completely lolligagging it with no urgency to break back towards Allen. I mean if it’s things like that it pisses me off. I saw the replay and was looking at Coleman and it was clear he showed no urgency to get open on a broken play. 

[The Jokeman]

12 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Not in a vacuum.  He has old man Rodgers throwing him the ball, though.  How would you assess the worth of what Palmer, Knox and Bernard have brought to the team this year? 

Considering the Steelers have a worse record than us and many would say a far superior defense then us, nope.

[DJB]

Keon stinks. Said it before the draft he was the only WR in our range that was on my do not draft list . 
 

A million times I wrote “WR’s that can’t separate in college can’t separate in the pros it gets worse”

 

This regime has real trouble finding offensive weapons

[thewookie1]

Allen wanted Coleman because he was a large guy who could apparently catch the ball which is something he never has had. 

[The Jokeman]

15 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

I cannot remember the quarter/time of game, but there was a play that broke down and Allen scrambled. All WR adjusted and Shakir ended up getting the completion. However when you watch the replay you can see Coleman completely lolligagging it with no urgency to break back towards Allen. I mean if it’s things like that it pisses me off. I saw the replay and was looking at Coleman and it was clear he showed no urgency to get open on a broken play. 

Guess the Chiefs should cut Chris Jones cuz they way he lollygagged on that TD Lawrence scored the game winner they lost this season. 

11 minutes ago, DJB said:

Keon stinks. Said it before the draft he was the only WR in our range that was on my do not draft list . 
 

A million times I wrote “WR’s that can’t separate in college can’t separate in the pros it gets worse”

 

This regime has real trouble finding offensive weapons

Yep did horrible finding the second leading rusher in the 2nd Round. Also drafted this guy named Shakir in the 5th the same draft the Chiefs Skyy Moore in the 2nd. But yeah Coleman sucks, coulda drafted Ja'Lynn Polk instead. 

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Beane said Josh called and talked about a few different WR’s and said he was “pumped” to get a WR and that makes Keon Josh’s guy? 

 

Sorry I disagree.

Josh texted Keon “you’re the guy that I want”.  Beane also said Josh loves the draft process, and asked him to watch film w coaches and comment on how he would utilize each guy.  Coleman stuck out as one of the guys Josh admired.

[The Jokeman]

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/stats/keon-coleman-xavier-worthy.php

 

Just gonna leave these stats here just cuz. 

[Cubanmist 1]

5 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Wanted him in the third so badly. 

But nooooo, we had to select Landon Jackson. 

[DapperCam]

5 hours ago, stlbills13 said:

Once Palmer and/or Davis are healthy, Coleman will be inactive weekly 

Davis plays the same role as Coleman. It will really depend on if he can get healthy and take the snaps.

[Pecker]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Im critical of Brady right now, but you're absolutely (intentionally or not) butchering the context of what he was saying.  Its not going well enough as it is, no need to make up garbage 👎

I didn’t make up anything?? It’s a quote from hard Knox.  Anyone could rewatch it themselves, it’s a short clip. I think it’s the first episode, maybe the second 

[The Jokeman]

48 minutes ago, philholbroo said:

Coleman was drafted to beat the Chiefs cbs physicality in the playoffs, worthy and ladd did not fit what the coaching staff was looking for.  Not sure if he deserves the hate for how they use him. I do think he should have come up with the tipped ball vs dolphins this week, but his run blocking does seems good still if looking at effort.

Shhh we have to hate Coleman cuz he ran a poor forty and yet produces as well as the guy who ran the fastest forty in combine history of and we traded with the team that took him.

[billvernsays]

Keon needs to just play ball. He’s thinking too much out there and he needs to just do what he’s good at. The one real coaching point I’d like to see for him is to stop playing for a flag and only care about getting to the ball.
 

He’s needs to only care about fighting towards the ball and not give up hoping for a flag, I think a couple of times yesterday and I think against NE where it seemed like the ref was reaching for his flag and then stopping because Keon stopped fighting for the ball, and started complaining for a flag.

 

They might give that to a star player but for most WRs you’ve gotta show them that you tried everything to make the play before you get the PI. 

[JBI$111]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

4th round pick Troy Franklin says hi....on pace for 9 tds and 900 yards. 6-3 with 4.4 speed....keep doing you Brandon.

 

Yeah I wanted to strangle Beane by not adding some speed with Franklin after his idiotic pick of Coleman, but I'm thinking okay round after round and into the fourth round, Franklin is still sitting there!

 

I'm thinking Beane with all the wide receivers in this draft, you can redeem yourself and double dip here as we need it, and he came and went with Beanie baby adding more ***** defensive lineman that are hurt after one game who don't play. Maddening!

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, Roundybout said:

What a disaster of a pick. 

 

To your topic title, there's nothing "implying" in McDermott's comments and it isn't "coaches," it's the Head Coach.

 

5 hours ago, GroteStreet said:

I would love for coleman to be inactive a few games in a row, and for someone to ask beane about it at the end of the season press conference (scheduled for the monday or tuesday after week 17 games are complete, judging by recent team play).  Beane was being a stubborn, arrogant jerk when he made this pick.

 

That's funny. My wish is very different than yours. I wish that Coleman would take the criticism to heart and have a great game against Tampa Bay next week.

 

5 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

I’m curious what prompted this question; was it fed to the reporter?

 

In the context of perhaps dozens of posts here at TSW and on X calling into question Coleman's effort, your thought that the question was "fed" to the reporter is really weird.

 

Who would feed him the question?

 

Why?

 

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No he isn't.  Everyone keeps posting about how "Allen pushed for Coleman" when there isn't the slightest proof that happened.  And in fact it goes against how low key Allen appears to be in these things.  

 

And please don't link to the article saying how Allen sent Coleman a text saying "welcome to the Bills" and he was looking forward to "working with him".  That's what every QB would do.  And it's no big deal that the text went out before the Friday draft started as the Bills had the first pick that day.

 

You don't have to be Ian Rappaport to figure out what probably happened.  Bean told Allen in the days leading up to the draft that the Bills were going to take a WR with their #1 pick.  I'm sure Allen got excited and Bean then probably told Allen what the parameters were going to be and who was likely going to be available at that point and he asked Allen for his opinion. 

 

Obviously an athletic, big bodied WR was the Bills greatest need and would appeal to Allen.  And given that the Bills had Shakir guys like MaConkey would be less appealing.   But Allen didn't vet these receivers the Bills scouting staff did.  Allen likely got sheets with the pros & cons of the guys who the Bills were thinking of selecting late in the 1st round.

 

Do you or anyone else believe for one minute that Bean went to Allen and said "hey Josh we want to draft a WR in the 1st round and we're vacillating between moving up in the draft and taking one of the studs or staying put and taking one of the guys late in the 1st" and Allen then pushed back and said "Brandon I love this guy Coleman, lets just stay put and pick him".

 

If you haven't figured this out by now Allen is the consummate Company man.  He will support whatever senior management wants to do.  

 

The 3 different documented instances of Josh's support for Coleman provided by other posters in this topic looks multiple times more convincing than your 6 paragraph hypothetical scenario of what you'd like to believe actually happened.

 

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I still kinda wonder if he actually underthrew Knox on that play lol. Anyone see that play floating around on the All 22 clips yet? Seemed like a weird play either way with the two of them essentially running routes to the same spot. 

 

Yeah, I kept waiting for a good replay of that play but never saw one.

 

4 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

This is just one example. Watch Keon's effort on this play.  He should've been on the bench immediately after this. Pathetic.

 

Bro looks like he's on a leisurely little jog out there.

 

 

This play is a bigger indictment of Josh's play than it is Coleman's.

 

Though he's far from the biggest problem with the Bills, let's not pretend that Josh is playing well this year.

 

4 hours ago, CNYfan said:

So Josh left a perfect pocket and missed an easy td and everyone is ragging Coleman? 

 

Yes.

 

4 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

I think this face already says it all.

 

Yes, Josh bailed on a clean pocket and had an easy throw to Samuel had he waited another second, but that's not the point.

 

Keon's effort on that play was pathetic.

 

Why is it not the point? Because you say so?

 

1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I don't think most of the anger is directed towards Keon as much as it is towards the person that drafted him

 

There's plenty of contempt for Beane here but having read through all 12 pages on this topic, I'd have to disagree with you.

 

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

But that tipped ball dropped where he made little effort just epitomized him for me.

 

Yes the tipped ball that was underthrown by Josh should have been caught by Coleman.

 

1 hour ago, DaVinci said:

just watched Joe Marino All 22 break down. He said Allen missed open Coleman on 2 occasions

 

At least 2 occasions. There was the deep left sideline throw that Coleman quickly won inside position and Josh threw it outside to where the CB had the only reach chance at the ball.

 

Even without the All-22 you can also see guys open underneath that Josh wasn't looking to throw to. He passed up several layups for missed 3 pointers.

 

 

[uticaclub]

26 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Josh texted Keon “you’re the guy that I want”.  Beane also said Josh loves the draft process, and asked him to watch film w coaches and comment on how he would utilize each guy.  Coleman stuck out as one of the guys Josh admired.

Do you actually believe that *****?

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Do you actually believe that *****?

 

Believe what exactly? I believe there's a screenshot of the text. Are you saying that you don't think Josh meant it?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sierra Foothills

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Do you actually believe that *****?

Yes

They actually do

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

Keon needs to just play ball. He’s thinking too much out there and he needs to just do what he’s good at. The one real coaching point I’d like to see for him is to stop playing for a flag and only care about getting to the ball.
 

He’s needs to only care about fighting towards the ball and not give up hoping for a flag, I think a couple of times yesterday and I think against NE where it seemed like the ref was reaching for his flag and then stopping because Keon stopped fighting for the ball, and started complaining for a flag.

 

They might give that to a star player but for most WRs you’ve gotta show them that you tried everything to make the play before you get the PI. 

 

I agree.

 

Lots was made of Coleman's basketball background and how that could be an advantage as a receiver but he plays like a guy that doesn't understand football very well.

 

Also fundamentals seem to be lacking in a lot of the Division I basketball that I watch. Things like overplaying to one side and boxing out seem to be lacking with some of these elite athletes so you can't assume that as a WR he would understand leverages.

 

But mainly he's really struggling right now.

 

If you've ever played competitive sports and gone into a slump, you know what it feels like.