This is how you build from within..

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Cardinal directions only!   None of this direction mixing in this family!

With Brady as a scoutmaster, the kids are always the last to get to their campsites.  Diagonals are evil!

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God help us if he goes for an aircraft pilot's license. 😳

[MPL]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

As for the McD quote, it doesnt take much to dig up plenty of interviews where he talks about it. He doesnt exactly quote "run first, conservative passing game", but he absolutely alludes to it by talking about the run game, being balanced, etc, etc.

To be fair, all of these quotes came from a period of time where the Bills absolutely could not run the ball, which caused the offense to be too one dimensional the other way. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

So what would happen if we went out of the team and hired Dennis Allen who's doing a "stellar" job over there in Chicago? or what about we brought in Arthur Smith who's running a "great" offense in Pittsburgh? 

 

Arthur Smith sucks and they should know that.

 

As for defense, if McD was serious about winning a SB and being a pure HC, he wouldve jumped on the chance of bringing in Brian Flores 2 years ago, or Jeff Ulbrich this year. It isnt a mystery or rocket surgery to find good DCs. But McD wants a yes-man to run his out-dated, soft scheme.

 

Sure theres a chance he picks wrong on an outside hire, but at least theyre trying to get the best instead of just Peter Principling a bunch of no-name first timers to stroke his ego of building his own coaching tree.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

20 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Ken Dorsey was a proven legit QB coach who worked with Allen for a few seasons. How was he the wrong hire? I get it didn't work out, but in no way was there obvious warning signs.

 

Joe Brady was a bit different. BIG TIME college experience, some OC experience. Again, what huge signs were there that Brady would be a bad hire? The fact he'd been fired before? That will eliminate a large amount of prospects from the pool. 
 

Bobby Babs - The saying around here was "everything he touches turns to gold." Remember? Everyone loved that hire after he had a multiple, legitimate outstanding seasons as a positional coach. Learn the ropes under McD, who is a great defensive coach. 
 

Ya'll are acting like these are 3rd rate hires from the Cleveland Browns. 
 

I would love for anyone, someone, to find a quote from McD where he says he wants to be a run first, conservative passing game. Especially considering 2 of his last 3 OCs were highly aggressive in the passing game. 
 

 

And sometimes two or three years into the ownership of that shiny car you bought you realize how much of a clunker it can be.

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And yes, hindsight is always 20 / 20.

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[HereComesTheReignAgain]

20 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Ken Dorsey was a proven legit QB coach who worked with Allen for a few seasons. How was he the wrong hire? I get it didn't work out, but in no way was there obvious warning signs.

 

Joe Brady was a bit different. BIG TIME college experience, some OC experience. Again, what huge signs were there that Brady would be a bad hire? The fact he'd been fired before? That will eliminate a large amount of prospects from the pool. 
 

Bobby Babs - The saying around here was "everything he touches turns to gold." Remember? Everyone loved that hire after he had a multiple, legitimate outstanding seasons as a positional coach. Learn the ropes under McD, who is a great defensive coach. 
 

Ya'll are acting like these are 3rd rate hires from the Cleveland Browns. 
 

I would love for anyone, someone, to find a quote from McD where he says he wants to be a run first, conservative passing game. Especially considering 2 of his last 3 OCs were highly aggressive in the passing game. 
 

 

Buffalo with Allen was the premier OC job in the entire league.  Coaches would kill for that job.  Instead of holding legitimate interviews and conducting a real search, they handed the reigns to internal, familiar guys with limited resumes.  They value safety and familiarity over innovation and challenging the status quo.  

[Yobogoya!]

5 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

It’s pretty obvious we’re struggling with an offensive scheme / identity and given Dab’s butting heads with McD, Dorsey falling on a sword and the HS offense we’re running now I’m guessing McD has his finger on the pulse of mediocrity when it comes to a creative offense.

 

The roster mismanagement is an entire different problem.

 

I don't know, I think this is all very systemic and it in all likelihood starts with McD's need to have a minimum "comfort level" with guys he both works with and rosters. 

 

We joke about the Caroline train all the time, but it's 110% true that when the chips are down or there's a question that needs to be answers- these guys routinely go to the well of guys they know to find a "solution" over exploring options they aren't familiar with. 

 

That's true both for personnel AND staff. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Yobogoya! said:

 

I don't know, I think this is all very systemic and it in all likelihood starts with McD's need to have a minimum "comfort level" with guys he both works with and rosters. 

 

We joke about the Caroline train all the time, but it's 110% true that when the chips are down or there's a question that needs to be answers- these guys routinely go to the well of guys they know to find a "solution" over exploring options they aren't familiar with. 

 

That's true both for personnel AND staff. 

 

Absolutely.

 

Folks should not miss the fact that, for all of Beane's poor drafting, the GM is picking guys to fit what the HC wants. 

 

McD's scheme wants small LBs who can cover. So that's what Beane drafts. And that's why they are always injured.

McD wants to load up his defense, so that's what Beane drafts and ignores adding playmakers to the offense. If we had a McVey-type coach I guarantee we wouldve traded up for a WR in the 1st by now, even if it meant selling the farm.

 

The GM may be shopping for the groceries and ingredients, but the HC is putting in the food orders that dictates what the GM buys.

[BringBackFergy]

54 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

 

We ended up over-achieving last year, and made the AFCC game despite injuries and lack of top shelf talent and I think that's caused us to double and even triple down on the "process" instead of going full reset, dumping bad contracts, finding proven coordinators and trying to poise ourselves to better compete before Josh Allen turns 30 (not gonna happen now).

 

 

LOL  Nice save!!

[T.E.]

47 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Is there an NFL rule that Shakir isn't allowed to run a slant route?  The focal point of our passing attack would ideally be downfield from the line of scrimmage

The quick slant was our bread-and-butter play with Diggs and Beasley, especially on 3rd down, and Brady completely abandoned it.

[Billz4ever]

52 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Is there an NFL rule that Shakir isn't allowed to run a slant route?  The focal point of our passing attack would ideally be downfield from the line of scrimmage

[Yobogoya!]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

LOL  Nice save!!

 

Are you saying we didn't? 

 

Our roster on paper and in practice was both devoid of top talent and limped into the post-season with our annual allotment of injuries. 

 

Josh Allen buys this roster a lot of leeway, especially when the AFC East (and AFC as a whole) is as weak as it was last year. As long as he keeps this roster over-achieving, the front office will continue to think they're just "one or two pieces away". 

[PayDaBill$]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The quick slant was our bread-and-butter play with Diggs and Beasley, especially on 3rd down, and Brady completely abandoned it.

Tom Brady made a career out of it!

[Billz4ever]

35 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Aaron Kromer.  McDermott has been very vocal about giving credit to Kromer in the media. 

 

I hate these kind of hires though. Just because a guy is a good position coach, doesn't mean they should be running the entire offense or defense and calling the plays.

 

Kromer is an offensive line guru.  That's his specialty and that where he shines and gets the best out of guys who may not be great otherwise.

 

Not saying Kromer falls into this, but you see the Peter Principle over and over in the NFL especially. Guys are one of the best at what they do as a position coach, then fall flat on their faces when promoted to coordinator and further to HCs and the team suffers for it. 

 

[BringBackFergy]

2 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

Are you saying we didn't? 

 

 

I'm saying we became healthy and peaked at the right moment last year. To say we "overachieved" is conclusory and self-serving for your entire argument.

You want to tear it all down when we are in a similar position this year losing key players to injury and 8 games left to right the ship.

 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

 

I hate these kind of hires though. Just because a guy is a good position coach, doesn't mean they should be running the entire offense or defense and calling the plays.

 

Kromer is an offensive line guru.  That's his specialty and that where he shines and gets the best out of guys who may not be great otherwise.

 

Not saying Kromer falls into this, but you see the Peter Principle over and over in the NFL especially. Guys are one of the best at what they do as a position coach, then fall flat on their faces when promoted to coordinator and further to HCs and the team suffers for it. 

 

 

I think evn Kromer would agree with this too. He is an OL Coach and should be an OL Coach.

[pennstate10]

50 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Ken Dorsey was a proven legit QB coach who worked with Allen for a few seasons. How was he the wrong hire? I get it didn't work out, but in no way was there obvious warning signs.

 

Joe Brady was a bit different. BIG TIME college experience, some OC experience. Again, what huge signs were there that Brady would be a bad hire? The fact he'd been fired before? That will eliminate a large amount of prospects from the pool. 
 

Bobby Babs - The saying around here was "everything he touches turns to gold." Remember? Everyone loved that hire after he had a multiple, legitimate outstanding seasons as a positional coach. Learn the ropes under McD, who is a great defensive coach. 
 

Ya'll are acting like these are 3rd rate hires from the Cleveland Browns. 
 

I would love for anyone, someone, to find a quote from McD where he says he wants to be a run first, conservative passing game. Especially considering 2 of his last 3 OCs were highly aggressive in the passing game. 
 

 

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Brady did not have BIG TIME college experience 

 

He was a grad assistant for 2 yrs, then to nfl, then to LSU for one year as passing game coordinator, not OC. 
 

He had generational talents his one year at lsu. Burrow, Chase, Jefferson 

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I'm saying we became healthy and peaked at the right moment last year. To say we "overachieved" is conclusory and self-serving for your entire argument.

You want to tear it all down when we are in a similar position this year losing key players to injury and 8 games left to right the ship.

 

 

 

 

I would argue that our roster last year was middling at best even when healthy. 

 

Look at the players in my OP. Those guys are our "core" players- Milano, Bernard, Benford, T. Johnson, Groot and Oliver. That is who they drafted and then paid and retained to be the foundation of this team. 

 

Now any one of those players is a great piece in a vacuum, but when when they are the sum total of what you've built and paid to rely on every game? Then yeah you'll have to forgive me if I think a lot of this team's success is an overachievement that's been driven primarily by an all star MVP QB. 

 

Cuz that "core" team of players we've assembled doesn't scare me in the least, and it doesn't look anything like a unit I would expect to dominate every week even when they are healthy (which spoiler alert: they never are). 

[Captain_Quint]

38 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Well said. The whole draft, develop and resign thing is only a good idea if you resign guys that actually deserve the contract. Beane seems to have resigned all of these drafted players as a way to validate his draft picks (see, they were good draft picks, because they earned a new contract). Beane has completely destroyed this roster.

 

That sentence right there. I've had that feeling since the Bernard signing, and Rousseau. The defensive side in general.

The staff values the wrong things, and the scheme has long been figured out. 

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

Is there an NFL rule that Shakir isn't allowed to run a slant route?  The focal point of our passing attack would ideally be downfield from the line of scrimmage

If they ran a fake screen to Shakir next game, it would probably go for a TD

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

 

That sentence right there. I've had that feeling since the Bernard signing, and Rousseau. The defensive side in general.

The staff values the wrong things, and the scheme has long been figured out. 

Yes, but these second contract players 'know the system'! 😉🙄😁