11/9/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Dolphins Post Game Thread

[iccrewman112]

31 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

FWIW the franchise QB wanted Brady in 2023

 

he also wanted Dorsey, so maybe don’t ask Allen 

[buffalo2218]

15 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Why would a rebuild take years? The Rams went all in, won a championship, and then almost immediately were contenders again. You just need guys who know what they are doing and can properly evaluate talent. 

The Rams also had an elite QB to go all in for. You think Tua is anywhere near Stafford's caliber?

[TheFunPolice]

McDermott and Beane have won a lot of regular season games.

 

That's obviously good, but with a top 2 QB in the league for 8+ seasons not even getting to a Super Bowl is an enormous fail.

 

But sometimes you run into buzzsaws. The real blunder is purposely working to make your offense less about that QB and designing a system to focus on other players.

 

It makes no sense. It's exactly what an opponent would want.

 

Imagine playing Peyton Manning in his prime and the Colts decide to become a run first offense and rely on 3TE sets and horizontal passing 

[abranovi]

16 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I said cancer and it’s because they’re sucking the life out of Josh. Like I’ve said before, every year with Beane and McD is groundhogs day. Bare minimum for the offense with retreads from other teams and the majority of our draft assets going towards the defense and being underwhelming either because of coaching or poor evaluation. It needs to be rooted out, the whole regime. Put Aaron Kromer in charge for the rest of the season I think we get as far or farther and then watch the crop of talented coaches signing up to coach the most talented QB in the league this offseason 

No, we resign our own retreads, they “know the extremely complex zone defense system!!”

😂🙄

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Not every week but on occasion you need to win those games just like you need to win a 41 - 40 game.

 

 

Ditto for the Chiefs & Eagles.

 

 

Those aren’t rebuilds.  All of those teams kept the same HC and GM in place.  
 

You’re talking about firing a coach and GM.  That’s a true rebuild.  find me an example in NFL history where that happened?  I’ll wait

4 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

The Chiefs even won a Super Bowl in what was considered a rebuild year for them.

it wasn’t a rebuild.  The Chiefs didn’t fire their coach or GM

[tigerthelion]

1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said:

The Rams also had an elite QB to go all in for. You think Tua is anywhere near Stafford's caliber?

Would certainly be tougher for the Dolphins unless they traded or hit on a QB.    

 

Was also thinking of the Bills and how people think a rebuild after going all in would take three years or more.  It doesn't have to when you already have a QB.  You can go all in one year and quickly be right back in the thick of contention with some shrewd drafting and scouting.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

14 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

First year as the HC of the patriots with a lesser overall roster (remember last year how bad they were and how everyone said they needed alot to rebuild…they were 4-13!) and he’s going to win the division and go farther than the Bills who have the best QB in the league and same coaching staff for 8 years. That’s impressive 

 

Beane and McD will always have each others back imo. That’s the ONLY reason there has been no change. And Pegula imo doesn’t care as long as we keep making the playoffs. Wish Kim was calling the shots I bet we’d see a change 

Not so sure about that. There have been rumors that McDermott has been frustrated with Beane because he's asked for things like a receiver multiple times and hasn't gotten it.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Not every week but on occasion you need to win those games just like you need to win a 41 - 40 game.

 

 

Ditto for the Chiefs & Eagles.

 

 

For sure but even after Eagles won the SB they had win totals of 9 9 4 9.. multiple pics in the top 15 

 

The bills haven't had a top 10 pick since Oliver in 2018... We have consistently won more games then the majority of the league 

 

Which makes it tough because the league is about parity... We can't keep missing on our second round picks which is supposed to be a bread and butter round in the NFL 

 

Like some of the best pure football players go in round 2 and we've been meh

[JBI$111]

43 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

 

All of the above, good riddance! You wasted Josh's entire career so far.

[abranovi]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Not so sure about that. There have been rumors that McDermott has been frustrated with Beane because he's asked for things like a receiver multiple times and hasn't gotten it.

Yeah, we need more defensive linemen 

[Since1981]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Imagine playing Peyton Manning in his prime and the Colts decide to become a run first offense and rely on 3TE sets and horizontal passing 

Exactly. MVP QB Super powers neutralized by our guys. Get Tyrod back in here!?!

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Those aren’t rebuilds.  All of those teams kept the same HC and GM in place.  
 

You’re talking about firing a coach and GM.  That’s a true rebuild.  find me an example in NFL history where that happened?  I’ll wait

I think we're just talking past each other here.  The examples I gave are of HC/GM pairs who reached the pinnacle, had an elite QB under a big contract and reloaded to make another run to the Super Bowl.  McD/Bean have failed to successfully RELOAD and we're nearing the point where we may need to rebuild.  And I don't want them involved in the rebuild. 

 

The only caveat I would throw out is that I'm waiting until the end of this season before deciding that they did in fact fail to reload. If the Bills go on a run and they very well might, then Bean/McD pulled off the reload.  Only time will tell.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

 

All of the above, good riddance! You wasted Josh's entire career so far.

Considering six straight AFC East championships gone to the AFC title game twice has beaten Patrick mahomes more than any organization 

 

That's literally the definition of hyperbole to call it a waste

 

Peyton Manning had no problem laying into any player to demand more.. Josh certainly can take more command he is the captain of this team 

 

He doesn't need to be everybody's friend he needs to lead by example and sometimes you need to light a fire under people's ass

 

Josh is a quiet leader.. can't tell me that he is always rallying the troops.. he does his pregame speech and he leads by example.. but Brady and Manning had no problem chewing out players

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

 

All of the above, good riddance! You wasted Josh's entire career so far.

The Bears are 6-3 with the guys all of us wanted. The Patriots are 8-2 with the other guy all of us wanted. The rest of the board was trying to warn us that the Bills would fall apart with such a move. It's time to move on from this regime, but it's not going to happen. This is going to be McD and Beane purgatory time for several more years. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikie2times

[buffalo2218]

7 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Would certainly be tougher for the Dolphins unless they traded or hit on a QB.    

 

Was also thinking of the Bills and how people think a rebuild after going all in would take three years or more.  It doesn't have to when you already have a QB.  You can go all in one year and quickly be right back in the thick of contention with some shrewd drafting and scouting.

This is what I was referring to. It'll take years for them to rebuild from their cap mismanagement alone. Then hope they roll the dice and hit on a QB to build around. These reasons combined is why they're set back more than a few years

Edited 1 hour ago by buffalo2218

[TheFunPolice]

The roster has been going backwards for a few years now.

 

We're consistently bringing back players that were let go, both on offense (remember the returns of Beasley and Brown?) and of course defense (Hyde as a player/coach or whatever that was, Poyer, White)

 

Reason? Beane has failed to find suitable replacements. 

 

Most of his FA signings lately have been awful. Hoecht seemed like a hit but we'll probably never know what might have been. 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

The Bears are 6-3 with the guys all of us wanted. The Patriots are 8-2 with the other guy all of us wanted. The rest of the board was trying to warn us that the Bills would fall apart with such a move. It's time to move on from this regime, but it's not going to happen. This is going to be McD and Beane purgatory time for several more years. 

 

Golly, you could do a lot worse than a coach with 100 wins! 

 

Sal and the PR dept will be working overtime this week. 

 

Someone will need to take the fall. Given McDermott saying the passing game needs to be better it could be Brady 

 

In that case, consider this: the last 2 OCs Josh Allen had would have been fired. 

 

If that's not an indictment of roster building or HC philosophy I don't know what is

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Was hoping the bills learned that a guy playing a role like hoecht was playing made the defense a lot better

 

But a las the guys running the team couldn't see that 

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I think we're just talking past each other here.  The examples I gave are of HC/GM pairs who reached the pinnacle, had an elite QB under a big contract and reloaded to make another run to the Super Bowl.  McD/Bean have failed to successfully RELOAD and we're nearing the point where we may need to rebuild.  And I don't want them involved in the rebuild. 

 

The only caveat I would throw out is that I'm waiting until the end of this season before deciding that they did in fact fail to reload. If the Bills go on a run and they very well might, then Bean/McD pulled off the reload.  Only time will tell.

 

 

Ok this makes sense.  I just think it’s more likely that Beane and McDermott will be given another chance to reload next season, than it is someone else will be given a chance to rebuild.  

[TheFunPolice]

On the plus side, those of us who take the expressways to work can look forward to a 2 hour commute tomorrow morning!

 

 

[tigerthelion]

Just now, buffalo2218 said:

This is what I was referring to. It'll take years for them to rebuild from their cap management alone. Then hope they roll the dice and hit on a QB to build around. These reasons combined is why they're set back more than a few years

Yes, I agree with you there. 

 

Guess with the Bills, call it a rebuild or a reload or whatever.  In my opinion, they need to change their organizational philosophy.  Hire an offensive coach, build around your all world quarterback before his body declines, put all your chips in to win now, for the next five years, push contracts down the road, void years, etc....   Get an offensive guy, whether it is Klint Kubiak or whoever...  start the process , get into training camp next year with a new philosophy......hire a proven defensive coordinator......

 

I know this is all make believe and McDermott and Beane are going nowhere, but I dont agree with keeping the status quo just because you are scared of the unknown.