Is This McD's Worst Loss?

[BVBILLS]

1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:

I think you have them backwards 

Not really, at least the 13 seconds loss was against a great QB and a great team. Not the 2-7 Fins who just traded away one of their best defenders

Edited 4 hours ago by BVBILLS

[PauleeeWalnuts]

3 hours ago, Irish Dave said:

Dude - he’s right.  Allen was absolutely horrible- JV backup level play.  Trade him while other teams still think he’s worth it.  He’s lost his mojo.  

He’s lost his mojo because Beane won’t put any friggin talent around him to take the pressure off. You don’t trade a 29 year old Josh Allen, you build around him 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Not to belabor the point, but the Bills played great in the 13 seconds game; it was McDermott’s worst coaching blunder, but the team performed well against a great team in hostile environment.  This was just a complete embarrassment, from top to bottom…

The offense performed well in the 13 second game.  The defense allowed 552 yards and 42 points.  That's the side of the ball that got him the head coaching job.  Top it off with not squib kicking it and two abhorrent defensive calls.  It's his worst head coaching performance of all time.  IMO.  I know we need a sacrificial lamb but this was more of a spread out loss.  He was the main reason we lost 13 seconds.

[Ralonzo]

In the eye test, the Dolphins dominated the Bills (particularly in the trenches) to roughly the same degree the Bills dominated the Chiefs a week earlier.

 

The end results: The Dolphins smoked the Bills by 17, while the Bills needed to survive a Hail Mary (which they occasionally don't - see Arizona)

Under Daboll, every play was designed to pick up a first down. McDermott hated that, since it scores too quickly. Brady is running exactly the smallball offense McDermott wants, where it's more important to grind first downs and protect the defense and not put them out there where they get gashed on the regular by anyone who just friggin runs the ball against their zones full of undersized poor tacklers.

 

The Bills coaching staff minimizes the advantages they have on offense, just to protect an obviously incapable defense that is more directly attributable to the head coach. Is it just to protect his reputation? It's maddening. No wonder Allen looks like "***** this *****" after half these series of no-margin-for-error playcalls.

[Billsatlastin2018]

5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

The 13 seconds game still rules.

Difference.

 

THAT was a HOF FUBAR by McClapper and him alone!
Neck and neck with the worst critical HCing ***** up in NFL history!

 

This one was the worst, total incompetence displayed by a Bills team in the McD era.

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5 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Jags loss to Urban Myer was bad. But is this the worst overall team loss under McD?

feel like this deserves a poll unless already done(probably) but at least this is another one to add to the list which is a strong contender

[Talley56]

I still think Jags 9-6 was worse and the loss to Indy that same season where the Colts came in and slaughtered the Bills when Jonathan Taylor ran circles around our defense.  There have also been a few others in the McDermott era that I thought were worse than today (the Nathan Peterman disaster in 17 against the Chargers for one).

[PepeSilvia]

5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

1. 13 seconds

2. Urban Meyer loss

3. Colts regular season blow out loss

4. Broncos Monday night game

 

Then you can argue this is probably #5

Add The jets opening day two years ago after Rodger’s went down 

[Freddie's Dead]

It's up there, but I thought the worst was 13 seconds, followed by the Colts 41-17 back in 2021.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, PepeSilvia said:

Add The jets opening day two years ago after Rodger’s went down 

True! And the Vikings 2022 game. Almost forgot about that one lol

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Irish Dave said:

Dude - he’s right.  Allen was absolutely horrible- JV backup level play.  Trade him while other teams still think he’s worth it.  He’s lost his mojo.  

This is sarcasm right?  

5 hours ago, steven50 said:

McD didnt fumble, throw a terrible interceptions, underthrow a wr when he had a step on his guy or throw one in the dirt on a screen. If you think Josh Allen had a good game your on something  and this time I don't want any.

 

Allen had a terrible game. The entire offence sucked.

 

To bad we can't test your bad take.  So let's trade Allen for 4 1st round picks.  My guess is that there are at least 25 teams, maybe more, that would break down the door to make that offer.  The Bills could probably get it to five 1st round picks.  Then after Allen is gone we can see how well McD/Bean do.  

[Sojourner]

5 hours ago, Irish Dave said:

Dude - he’s right.  Allen was absolutely horrible- JV backup level play.  Trade him while other teams still think he’s worth it.  He’s lost his mojo.  

[steven50]

42 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

To bad we can't test your bad take.  So let's trade Allen for 4 1st round picks.  My guess is that there are at least 25 teams, maybe more, that would break down the door to make that offer.  The Bills could probably get it to five 1st round picks.  Then after Allen is gone we can see how well McD/Bean do.  

 

Nobody said "trade Allen!" if you want to be a drama queen do it with someone else. Saying he had a bad game, which he did, isn't a knee jerk reaction like "Fire everyone!" its an observation and since you cant dispute anything I said I guess its a correct observation.

 

Padding stats in the 4th quarter in garbage time doesn't mean he had a good game.

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, steven50 said:

 

Nobody said "trade Allen!" if you want to be a drama queen do it with someone else. Saying he had a bad game, which he did, isn't a knee jerk reaction like "Fire everyone!" its an observation and since you cant dispute anything I said I guess its a correct observation.

 

Padding stats in the 4th quarter in garbage time doesn't mean he had a good game.

Allen made some of his signature jaw dropping plays today and he also made a couple of bad mistakes.  So what.  The problem isn't Allen it's what's around him.  Almost no one steps up to help Allen and the D puts the O in tough situations over and over again.  Throw in same bad coaching decisions and as the game progresses we see Allen get antsy and start pushing.  This leads to both good & bad plays.  

 

My point with the "trade Allen" crap is that some of you people obsess over the little things with Allen while ignoring the huge issues around the organization.  It's exasperating and some of us throw a variation of the Greenberg idea out there for effect.  

 

 

[steven50]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen made some of his signature jaw dropping plays today and he also made a couple of bad mistakes.  

 

 

what "draw dropping plays" did Allen make today not in garbage time?????? You must have watched a different game then me.

 

and who are "you people" I have never criticized Allen on this board.

Edited 1 hour ago by steven50

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Difference.

 

THAT was a HOF FUBAR by McClapper and him alone!
Neck and neck with the worst critical HCing ***** up in NFL history!

 

This one was the worst, total incompetence displayed by a Bills team in the McD era.

We wouldn't have done any worst last few years, if we fired McDermott after that. Maybe Hamlin isn't on the team to almost die and save him for another year.

 

I still need Beane needs to go before McD.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, steven50 said:

what "draw dropping plays" did Allen make today not in garbage time?????? You must have watched a different game then me.

It wasn't "garbage time" until McD inexplicably had our RB attempt an onside kick down 23 - 13 with 3 minutes left and the Bills having all 3 TO's and the 2 minute warning. And for the record Allen made several great plays on that drive that ended in the INT in the 3rd quarter.  

 

And again the problem isn't any one game.  It's a WR room full of players who can't get open or make the tough NFL level catches every other contending team gets.  It's a defense that on Miami's SECOND possession lets them go 92 yards in 7 minutes & 30 seconds to score the games first TD. It's an offensive coordinator who calls for a pass on 4th & 1 right after a Miami TO exposed they were going to pass on that down!  It's a defense who allows huge game breaking TD runs at crucial moments in the game.

 

Allen is not the problem and his play today is not the issue.  The issues are how this team has been built, injury's and the under performance of so many key players around Allen.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[steven50]

56 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It wasn't "garbage time" until McD inexplicably had our RB attempt an onside kick down 23 - 13 with 3 minutes left and the Bills having all 3 TO's and the 2 minute warning. And for the record Allen made several great plays on that drive that ended in the INT in the 3rd quarter.  

 

And again the problem isn't any one game.  It's a WR room full of players who can't get open or make the tough NFL level catches every other contending team gets.  It's a defense that on Miami's SECOND possession lets them go 92 yards in 7 minutes & 30 seconds to score the games first TD. It's an offensive coordinator who calls for a pass on 4th & 1 right after a Miami TO exposed they were going to pass on that down!  It's a defense who allows huge game breaking TD runs at crucial moments in the game.

 

Allen is not the problem and his play today is not the issue.  The issues are how this team has been built, injury's and the under performance of so many key players around Allen.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

So was it the 4 of 6 for 20 yards in the 1st quarter that was "jaw dropping" or the 5 of 9 for 53 yards in the second? The interception or the fumble?

 

He had a bad game, good grief. I am done