Bills workout DE's Jonathan and Toohill - cut Ciarlo and Wilkerson from PS

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, juno999 said:

We’ve been through this before with Beane and he put it together. $50 M plus a likely increase in the salary cap, plus 7 picks plus UDFAs. The trend is to sign backups to 1 year deals in order to have flexibility but the trade off is higher number of FAs each off season. I believe Beane has a good handle on it and it’ll work out. I’m certainly not worried of losing Hamlin, Poyer and Franklin. What’s the plan with Oline?  McGovern is likely gone.  Can SVPG be the starter?  Do they extend Torrence?  Do they re-sign Edwards or do they go with Anderson or Grable at LG?  They’ll probably try to bring Gilliam and Lewis back. Bosa and Epenesa are going to cost some cash. 

 

We're getting lost in the sauce of what he can and can't do and what he may or may not do.

 

My point was that there is close to half of the roster that will need to be re-signed or replaced. And we'll be needing to do that with around 50m and 7 Draft Picks. That's going to be a delicate dance in and of itself. If we traded away a pick or multiple picks today, it would become even harder. And that surely played heavily into him not making a deal. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result is the definition of something... 🤔

[Senth]

Kingsley Jonathan like him!

 

Casey Toohill like him!

 

Actually surprised they were available.

 

Now just add Bob Hayes and we gotta Super Bowl trophy!!!!

[juno999]

35 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We're getting lost in the sauce of what he can and can't do and what he may or may not do.

 

My point was that there is close to half of the roster that will need to be re-signed or replaced. And we'll be needing to do that with around 50m and 7 Draft Picks. That's going to be a delicate dance in and of itself. If we traded away a pick or multiple picks today, it would become even harder. And that surely played heavily into him not making a deal. 

The trades seemed to be rather pricey this year. Plus the Bills didn’t have any extra picks to work with this year. 21 free agents is a good number of players to replace. I’m not terribly concerned because most of these players are backups and are older players. Beane extended Rousseau, Benford, Cook, Shakir, and Bernard this past offseason. So that’s a factor of why we’re low in cap space. I’d imagine re-signing Bosa will be the priority. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Kingsley Jonathan?  GTF OUTTA HERE WITH THAT WEAK-ASS *****!!!

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Let’s bring back all the players we couldnt win with before and try and win with them now 🤣

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Kingsley Jonathan?  GTF OUTTA HERE WITH THAT WEAK-ASS *****!!!

 

Now that the trade deadline is over - which DE Free Agent would you prefer for the Practice Squad? We need bodies there.

 

And considering Jaelen Phillips was the only Edge Rusher traded and it was actually reported today (besides just common sense) that the Dolphins and Eagles weren't trading inside the division - we weren't getting a DE in the trade market anyways.

[buffblue]

Was Trent Murphy not available?

[st pete gogolak]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

After Bosa and McGovern (maybe Edwards) i don’t care if any of the remaining players are back.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

After Bosa and McGovern (maybe Edwards) i don’t care if any of the remaining players are back.

 

Again though, that doesn't change the situation. You can't just let them walk and then roll with a 32 man roster. You still need to spend the money and Draft picks on other players to replace 20+ players you don't bring back. And we're not in a great position cap wise, even after we make more room, and Draft Picks, only 7 - no extras from traded players or comp picks to do that. So trading away Draft Picks would have made it an even trickier proposition.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[DapperCam]

I thought Toohill was pretty good in the rotation last year before his injuries. Kind of surprised he didn’t find a home this season.

[LEBills]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

The Bills actually have one of the highest amount of players under contract for 2026 at 40. 9 of them are on IR currently so it is easy to forget them. 
 

Knox, Samuel, Rapp, and Ty Johnson are almost certainly not returning on their current contract. Maybe Bass as well. 
 

Starters that will need to be resigned or replaced are LG, C, DE, LB and Safety. DT and CB we already drafted replacements this year. I think you may be counting K and P as starters that need replacement - those positions don’t require a large investment. In any case, the roster status is not that dire that we couldn’t afford to make a trade without crippling ourselves.

 

We will never know what conversations were had. If I was Beane I probably would have tried really hard to land someone to try and improve the roster, even marginally, this year when the path to a Super Bowl seems less daunting than any year I can remember during the Allen era.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, Nuncha said:

Indy has Daniel Jones at QB, and Ya'll worried about them? LOL

 

Not worried about Jones. More just pointing out that the Colts went out and did something, while we did diddly-squat.

[Royale with Cheese]

Kinglsey Johnathan has over 150 career snaps on defense and hasn’t recorded a sack.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

Kinglsey Johnathan has over 150 career snaps on defense and hasn’t recorded a sack.

Do you think you could record a sack in 149 snaps

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

After Bosa and McGovern (maybe Edwards) i don’t care if any of the remaining players are back.

This.  We have a lot of pieces locked up comparative to most teams.   That’s a factor when looking at our cap space relative to other teams as well. 
 

Extend Bosa and McGovern and then see where we are. 
 

A guy like Landon Jackson was drafted to replace AJ, who is likely pricing himself out of our range with how well he’s playing this year.   In regards to the IOL, we have Anderson, SVPG and Grable who can compete for an open spot.  
 

Team is in a good place next year, like it was this year.. which is why I can’t kill Beane for not burning picks on a Shaheed… we lack elite players, not good players.. have plenty of those. 
 

 

Edited 3 minutes ago by SCBills