Steelers ownership growing frustrated with Tomlin

[freddyjj]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Since they became a good enough team, in 2020 to win playoff games, they've only had three away games, all losses to Kansas City. And the problem wasn't being away. They lost their home playoff game to Kansas City as well

Bills also lost to Bengals at home in 2022 playoffs.

[Neo]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah but I've been adamant here for 5 years McDermott is better than Tomlin 

 

McDermott could have won a super bowl with that Steelers roster I don't think Tomlin is doing anything with the bills 

 

2017 Steelers had five all pros on it... Sean McDermott is doing a lot with not five all pros

 

Our best players are always banged up in the playoffs

 

 

I’m not posting to dispute, but to add layers to my thoughts.  Both coaches were involved in roster construction.  I’ll give Tomlin a head start, but McDermott’s had nine years of construction time.  Both coaches develop talent and put them in position to be All Pros.  I like Tomlin’s outcomes.

 

The two are remarkable leadership personalities.  Tomlin’s a general you’d follow into battle.  McDermott’s a life mentor you’d want your children to know.  Tomlin shaped Raheem Morris.  We’ll see who McDermott gives us.  All three men are special.

 

Jimmye Laycock coached both at William and Mary.  Laycock also played for Marv Levy, another leadership personality.  Laycock is a special person who raves about both men with profound respect and affection.

 

[JP51]

17 hours ago, Gregg said:

If the Steelers did move on from him then I could see the Dolphins, Giants as being interested assuming he gets canned along with McDaniel and Daboll

He would imo be the prize of the offseason coaching targets...  now I have folks in the Burgh they talk about him largely like some talk about McD lamenting his poor game management and planning etc... good enough to get you so far but not good enough to win it... despite the fact he has...  I wonder what he would do with an elite QB... (not Rodgers who was elite).. 

15 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The Steelers to me are a lot like the Saints, just with a higher floor. For years they've needed to take an intentional step back to then take bigger steps forward, but they've been unwilling to take their medicine. Trading for Metcalf and signing old Aaron Rodgers for his last rodeo was more of the same. They should have already fired Tomlin and blown it all up.

I 100% agree... they are just and have been putting off the inevitable.

[T master]

17 hours ago, First Round Bust said:

Tomlin's head coaching record as of the end of the 2024 season is a regular season record of 187-109-2 (4-3 in 2025) and a playoff record of 8-11.

 

He has a career regular season win percentage of .631 and a playoff win percentage of .421, has won one Super Bowl..(41-45  in coach challenges/video reviews) .holds the record for most consecutive non-losing seasons to begin a coaching career with 18 and has never had a losing season..only Tom Landry (21) more non-loosing seasons

Said to make 16M per.

 

Similarities to McDemott:  91-47....659 winning percent..7-7 in playoffs... 1 loosing season out of 8...(11-27 in coach challenges/video reviews) William and Mary mates...defensive "wizards" who figure it out and win enough to keep the contracts coming but have post-season blemishes that irritate and frustrate...

 

Further..McDermott... as the clock ticks off the years of his franchsoe QB...has never won a playoff road game and if NE wins the AFC East Bills will be on the road for the entire playoffs loosing one of the best home field advantages of weather and crowd...

 

So the same narrative applies more or less

 

 

 

 

Yah neither one of them are worth a S**T fire them both and get somebody new on each team ! Being a perennial winner in the NFL isn't all what it's cracked up to be just take a shot and get somebody new in their position just to change things up !!

[RyanC883]

About time.  And watching the Pens fire stale Sullivan and be in first with a ton of no names has to be getting to them.  Hopefully Pegs takes note.   

[HOUSE]

Trust me all the matters in Pittsburgh is who Aaron Rogers likes

It's been a problem with 3 different teams

[BillsShredder83]

18 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Trust me all the matters in Pittsburgh is who Aaron Rogers likes

It's been a problem with 3 different teams

Theres no way he has this kind of sway anymore.

 

A) Age. Dudes mid already, and realistically could/should retire at any minute

B) Performance.  Its actually remarkable what hes done at his age & after serious injury like that... with that said, he'd be incredibly lucky to get that team (or any other) out of the first round.

 

No way are you letting this guy have input in the future of your franchise, especially not a well respected bunch like the Rooney's

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 hours ago, First Round Bust said:

Tomlin's head coaching record as of the end of the 2024 season is a regular season record of 187-109-2 (4-3 in 2025) and a playoff record of 8-11.

 

He has a career regular season win percentage of .631 and a playoff win percentage of .421, has won one Super Bowl..(41-45  in coach challenges/video reviews) .holds the record for most consecutive non-losing seasons to begin a coaching career with 18 and has never had a losing season..only Tom Landry (21) more non-loosing seasons

Said to make 16M per.

 

Similarities to McDemott:  91-47....659 winning percent..7-7 in playoffs... 1 loosing season out of 8...(11-27 in coach challenges/video reviews) William and Mary mates...defensive "wizards" who figure it out and win enough to keep the contracts coming but have post-season blemishes that irritate and frustrate...

 

Further..McDermott... as the clock ticks off the years of his franchsoe QB...has never won a playoff road game and if NE wins the AFC East Bills will be on the road for the entire playoffs loosing one of the best home field advantages of weather and crowd...

 

So the same narrative applies more or less

 

 

 

 

Tomlin took over a roster that recently won a Superbowl because the previous coach retired.  Not really trying to discredit everything he’s done but it’s not like he righted the ship of a failing franchise. 

 

Mcd and Tomlin comparisons are apples and oranges…once the roster from the cowher days was mostly turned over Tomlin won nothing..  Tomlin wasn’t even around for the selection of his franchise qb so he kinda deserves even less credit than mcd in that regard lol 

 

 

[Buffalo ill]

So what you're saying is we still have another decade + of mcbean, and well after Allen retires will ownership start to consider change.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Buffalo ill said:

So what you're saying is we still have another decade + of mcbean, and well after Allen retires will ownership start to consider change.

Was just gonna say that haha…Tomlin who wasn’t even involved in the selection of roethlisberger at all has been what everyone is afraid mcd will be post Josh for almost a decade now and he’s still there 😂

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Theres no way he has this kind of sway anymore.

 

A) Age. Dudes mid already, and realistically could/should retire at any minute

B) Performance.  Its actually remarkable what hes done at his age & after serious injury like that... with that said, he'd be incredibly lucky to get that team (or any other) out of the first round.

 

No way are you letting this guy have input in the future of your franchise, especially not a well respected bunch like the Rooney's

 

I agree with you.

 

I believe after the debacle with the Jets that the Steelers had conversations with Rodgers regarding "the extent of his powers."

 

Moreover, I believe that Rodgers traded away any personnel powers for another opportunity to play in the NFL.

 

[DrBob806]

21 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yeah, I think here he would be more or less a lateral move. But a team like the Dolphins? Yeah they need a guy like him to reset that culture.

A culture of cheap shots? Patrick Queen, Minkah, even going back to Hines Ward. 

 

I also see in the article one of the NFL's biggest thugs ever, roid-rage Harrison called out moving on from Tomlin. 

 

It would be great to see the Steelers fade into the oblivion for about 20 years. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Tomlin is the Andy Dalton line for HC's right now. You could do worse. He might get you to the postseason more often than not. But by no means will he outcoach other great HC's in the postseason. Any SB win would need to be in spite of him.

 

I realize he won a SB in his second year. But he was left a loaded roster by Cowher and took advantage of it. And he got lucky in 2008 and 2010 never having to go through New England in the postseason. 

 

 

[DrBob806]

21 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Steelers fans hate Tomlin

Steelers fans are delusional & spoiled from 70s success. The forget that one of their heroes, Bill Cowher, was 1-4 in AFC Championship games in Pittsburgh (the lone win almost wasn't, a Hail Mary vs the Colts was nearly caught). The lone SB Cowher won (vs Seattle) was probably the worst officiated championship game ever among the 4 major sports. 

[Low Positive]

10 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

A culture of cheap shots? Patrick Queen, Minkah, even going back to Hines Ward. 

 

I also see in the article one of the NFL's biggest thugs ever, roid-rage Harrison called out moving on from Tomlin. 

 

It would be great to see the Steelers fade into the oblivion for about 20 years. 

He doesn't just coach it. He lives it.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Steelers fans are delusional & spoiled from 70s success. The forget that one of their heroes, Bill Cowher, was 1-4 in AFC Championship games in Pittsburgh (the lone win almost wasn't, a Hail Mary vs the Colts was nearly caught). The lone SB Cowher won (vs Seattle) was probably the worst officiated championship game ever among the 4 major sports. 

I mean if we’re nitpicking to that level I think we gotta talk about how improbable that James Harrison 100 yard INT return was before halftime in tomlin’s superbowl win haha   Pretty sure the cardinals got hosed by the refs in that one also although admittedly I don’t remember it too well 

[DrBob806]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean if we’re nitpicking to that level I think we gotta talk about how improbable that James Harrison 100 yard INT return was before halftime in tomlin’s superbowl win haha   Pretty sure the cardinals got hosed by the refs in that one also although admittedly I don’t remember it too well 

I'll give Harrison props on that play, that was amazing (and some piss-poor tackling). Throw in the amazing catch by Santonio Holmes to win it. *****, the Steelers earned that SB😝

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

I'll give Harrison props on that play, that was amazing (and some piss-poor tackling). Throw in the amazing catch by Santonio Holmes to win it. *****, the Steelers earned that SB😝

Haha I gotta rewatch that game now