Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Coach Tuesday]

I am the biggest Josh Allen homer in the world.  He is my favorite athlete to root for, ever.  I am considering getting a 17 tattoo.

 

That said - the past few games (New Orleans included), it has been hard not to notice the dissonance between all of the commercials and media attention he is featured in, and his inability to execute basic handoffs and diagnose blitzes properly.  His mechanics and throws have been mostly fine, he’s still elite, but yet - the details have been off, and one inevitably starts to wonder about his focus.  But you could also say the same thing about the o line and offense as a whole - they just seem distracted and complacent, which they can’t afford to be given their lack of talent at WR and lack of a true innovator at OC.  They have some big games coming up and it’ll be interesting to see whether they start to get it together and clean up the pre-snap nonsense.  Because that to me tells me where their level of focus is.

Edited Saturday at 10:01 PM by Coach Tuesday

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am the biggest Josh Allen homer in the world.  He is my favorite athlete to root for, ever.  I am considering getting a 17 tattoo.

 

That said - the past few games (New Orleans included), it has been hard not to notice the dissonance between all of the commercials and media attention he is featured in, and his inability to execute basic handoffs and diagnose blitzes properly.  His mechanics and throws have been mostly fine, he’s still elite, but yet - the details have been off, and one inevitably starts to wonder about his focus.  But you could also say the same thing about the o line and offense as a whole - they just seem distracted and complacent, which they can’t afford to be given their lack of talent at WR and lack of a true innovator at OC.  They have some big games coming up and it’ll be interesting to see whether they start to get it together and clean up the pre-snap nonsense.  Because that to me tells me where their level of focus is.

I wouldn't expect significant improvement unless we trade for a top tier WR and/or Brady is replaced

[julian]

13 hours ago, Casey D said:

Neither can the Ravens, who folks say has an awesome front office.  In fact, KC has essentially blocked everyone.   

That’s a convenient excuse, and I’m sure it’s comforting to some fans, but I’m going to continue to put the blame on the roster and coaching as the major factors.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I wouldn't expect significant improvement unless we trade for a top tier WR and/or Brady is replaced

I tend to agree, except for maybe the pre-snap penalties. Those aren’t from a lack of talent or innovation. 

[Boatdrinks]

17 minutes ago, julian said:

That’s a convenient excuse, and I’m sure it’s comforting to some fans, but I’m going to continue to put the blame on the roster and coaching as the major factors.

It has to be the roster and coaching. KC being the roadblock is simply the bar that’s been set. There will always be a closest competitor in the conference. Some set a higher bar to clear than others. It’s unfortunate that KC/Reid are at their high point while Allen is at his, but those are the breaks. The roster/ coaching have been very good for quite a few years. Just not quite enough to clear that hurdle completely. It really can’t be anything else. 

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I tend to agree, except for maybe the pre-snap penalties. Those aren’t from a lack of talent or innovation. 

Are we getting a significant amount of presnap penalties on offense? Honestly haven't noticed anything so unusual

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It has to be the roster and coaching. KC being the roadblock is simply the bar that’s been set. There will always be a closest competitor in the conference. Some set a higher bar to clear than others. It’s unfortunate that KC/Reid are at their high point while Allen is at his, but those are the breaks. The roster/ coaching have been very good for quite a few years. Just not quite enough to clear that hurdle completely. It really can’t be anything else. 

it cuts both ways

 

w better coaches/players maybe we'd have been KC and the rest of the AFC's roadblock

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Are we getting a significant amount of presnap penalties on offense? Honestly haven't noticed anything so unusual

Seems to be a lot of false starts ( even at home ) illegal formations etc. Just guys heads not being in the game. I haven’t counted them or anything - just seems to be some general sloppiness to the offense. 

[Nitro]

Sloppy football is unbearable.  Top to bottom.  Gane plan against Atlanta did not account for their blitzing.  Brady and Babich have regressed.  Injuries hampered the team's effectiveness.  This season has been incredibly hard to watch.  Hogh hopes scuttled.  Hope the team can rally and turn things around during the bye.

[Casey D]

10 hours ago, julian said:

That’s a convenient excuse, and I’m sure it’s comforting to some fans, but I’m going to continue to put the blame on the roster and coaching as the major factors.

Good for you.  It's not comforting at all, it is an inconvenient truth.

[GoBills808]

14 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Seems to be a lot of false starts ( even at home ) illegal formations etc. Just guys heads not being in the game. I haven’t counted them or anything - just seems to be some general sloppiness to the offense. 

Think we have 11, 5th fewest on the league

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Think we have 11, 5th fewest on the league

Thanks. Okay, must just be my perception then. As I said, I didn’t count them. However, my point is that i believe the Bills can improve on pre snap penalties ( regardless of Offense or Defense) without getting better players. 

[Casey D]

23 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am the biggest Josh Allen homer in the world.  He is my favorite athlete to root for, ever.  I am considering getting a 17 tattoo.

 

That said - the past few games (New Orleans included), it has been hard not to notice the dissonance between all of the commercials and media attention he is featured in, and his inability to execute basic handoffs and diagnose blitzes properly.  His mechanics and throws have been mostly fine, he’s still elite, but yet - the details have been off, and one inevitably starts to wonder about his focus.  But you could also say the same thing about the o line and offense as a whole - they just seem distracted and complacent, which they can’t afford to be given their lack of talent at WR and lack of a true innovator at OC.  They have some big games coming up and it’ll be interesting to see whether they start to get it together and clean up the pre-snap nonsense.  Because that to me tells me where their level of focus is.

Son of a B word better not have kids.  He'll be completely useless. 😃

[Thurman#1]

On 10/17/2025 at 1:54 AM, T.E. said:

Poor pass-blocking, receivers who can't get open, and a coaching staff that abandons the running game when it's working is a bad combo for a QB.

 

 

So is playing badly. And Josh did. He doesn't do it often. But every once in a while, yeah. Same with Mahomes, and everyone, really. Comes with being human.

 

He was not good against Atlanta. 

 

That doesn't mean the rest of the team was above criticism, though. Penalties, bad tackling and gap fill problems. A lot going on. But a bad game by the QB is always going to be tough to overcome by any team.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:58 AM by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 10/19/2025 at 7:23 AM, GoBills808 said:

I wouldn't expect significant improvement unless we trade for a top tier WR and/or Brady is replaced

 

 

Yeah? I would. And do. Every reason to think it could happen, especially as it seems to go that way every year.

 

Could this be the year it doesn't? Sure. But don't bet the mortgage on it.

 

I fully expect the offense to do a bunch better later in the year. And don't for an instant think they'll consider letting Brady go or that we will get what you would consider a top tier WR. Wouldn't be surprised if they get a mid-tier guy before the deadline, though. And that would likely help.

[zow2]

Josh doesn't really look the same as last season's MVP year (other than the final 4:30 of the Ravens game).  His stats are Ok but he does not look the same i think we can agree, and that is also due to lackluster O-line play and subpar/no chemistry with the wideouts.  

 

On another note, also interesting that Saquon Barkley is only averaging 3.3 ypc on 113 carries... that's a shell of what he was last season.  Lamar is hurt, Burrow is hurt.

 

It just goes to show that playing at the highest level year in and year out is HARD.  Nothing is guaranteed.

 

 

[GoBills808]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah? I would. And do. Every reason to think it could happen, especially as it seems to go that way every year.

 

Could this be the year it doesn't? Sure. But don't bet the mortgage on it.

 

I fully expect the offense to do a bunch better later in the year. And don't for an instant think they'll consider letting Brady go or that we will get what you would consider a top tier WR. Wouldn't be surprised if they get a mid-tier guy before the deadline, though. And that would likely help.

A bunch better lol

 

We are 5th in offensive EPA/play w this crew

 

How much better are you thinking they can be?

[Thurman#1]

19 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

A bunch better lol

 

We are 5th in offensive EPA/play w this crew

 

How much better are you thinking they can be?

 

 

Gee, tough question there. A real brain twister.

 

Took me nearly a tenth of a second to figure the answer. How much better? I don't care, it's irrelevant. Better. Hard to imagine that they'd get better when Kincaid and Palmer return ... or when Hawes gets even more experience ... or when Brady game plans better than he did against the Falcons, or when Josh plays better than he did against the Falcons ...  oh, wait, it's not difficult at all. It's actually really easy.

 

Plus, great point there that offensive EPA per play totally equals how good they are. Not as if there aren't other things involved. Like, say, avoiding dumb interceptions, penalties and fumbles. No, offensive EPA per play totally sums up everything, as long as you don't worry about clear thinking.

 

 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 10/20/2025 at 7:58 AM, zow2 said:

Josh doesn't really look the same as last season's MVP year (other than the final 4:30 of the Ravens game).  His stats are Ok but he does not look the same i think we can agree, and that is also due to lackluster O-line play and subpar/no chemistry with the wideouts.  

 

On another note, also interesting that Saquon Barkley is only averaging 3.3 ypc on 113 carries... that's a shell of what he was last season.  Lamar is hurt, Burrow is hurt.

 

It just goes to show that playing at the highest level year in and year out is HARD.  Nothing is guaranteed.

 

 

Last season was kinda the same exact trajectory to be fair.  One huge game and one where we dominated and he didn’t have to do much of anything in the first few games then a nosedive in October. Couple games where we played a good half but were sleepwalking through the rest, banged up defense, beat bad teams and lost to the only two good ones we saw in a 4-2 start 
 

there wasnt much talk about Josh being mvp in week 6 after just sneaking by the jets after two ugly losses.  
 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BillsFan692]

Some fans get it and some fans never will. If you can't win a Superbowl with Josh Allen at QB you are never going to win one. This coaching staff GM whatever you want to call it has proven time and time again that even if their QB is playing an absolute ALL TIMER performance they can AND will still find a way to lose. 

It's really as simple as that, this team been truly stuck in the mud for years now and until their are major changes to coaching/GM Josh Allen's career is going to wind up like Phillip Rivers. Some fans on here posting that "it's better than the 17 years of slop", is it?????  I think I prefer the 17 years of slop than watching what these people are doing to the career of my favorite player of all time. 

At least during the 17 years of slop the expectations were low, we weren't ruining an all time greats career and embarassing ourselves over and over again. Each year there was renewed hope, every 2-3 years fresh coaching faces fresh ideas fresh plays.... if you ask me, the product they are putting out on the field now is getting kind of hard to watch. Boring, low positive football. Soft players with a bad scheme year after year with no hope in sight. 

The best thing about the current version of the bills is Josh Allen, literally the only thing that makes it worth watching,  even though everything is awful around him this dude can still pop off and beat the leagues very best and give us a show.  Unfortunately, that's about all we have to hope for and on the flip side -- embarassment awaits the second he can't live up to that impossibly high standard.

IMAGINE -- we got posters in this thread trying to blame our woes on Josh, posting about commercials?????? Just take me out back and put me down.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFan692

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Some fans get it and some fans never will. If you can't win a Superbowl with Josh Allen at QB you are never going to win one. This coaching staff GM whatever you want to call it has proven time and time again that even if their QB is playing an absolute ALL TIMER performance they can AND will still find a way to lose. 

It's really as simple as that, this team been truly stuck in the mud for years now and until their are major changes to coaching/GM Josh Allen's career is going to wind up like Phillip Rivers. Some fans on here posting that "it's better than the 17 years of slop", is it?????  I think I prefer the 17 years of slop than watching what these people are doing to the career of my favorite player of all time. 

At least during the 17 years of slop the expectations were low, we weren't ruining an all time greats career and embarassing ourselves over and over again. Each year there was renewed hope, every 2-3 years fresh coaching faces fresh ideas fresh plays.... if you ask me, the product they are putting out on the field now is getting kind of hard to watch. Boring, low positive football. Soft players with a bad scheme year after year with no hope in sight. 

The best thing about the current version of the bills is Josh Allen, literally the only thing that makes it worth watching,  even though everything is awful around him this dude can still pop off and beat the leagues very best and give us a show.  Unfortunately, that's about all we have to hope for and on the flip side -- embarassment awaits the second he can't live up to that impossibly high standard.

IMAGINE -- we got posters in this thread trying to blame our woes on Josh, posting about commercials?????? Just take me out back and put me down.

 

Agree.  Sure Allen has the occasional average or even poor game but he is so far from being the problem that it makes no sense to talk about it until the other problems are fixed.  It's like your pipes burst in your house and your roof caves in but all you can talk about are the dandelions in the lawn.