Would you want to see Josh play hardball with the organization?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

I think it would be a pretty horrible sign about the team if he had to, so no, I hope he doesn't start playing "hardball".

 

What would that even look like? Is he going to hold out unless the changes he wants implemented are made a reality? A large portion of the fanbase (and this board) eviscerates players for doing that. Cook did it for like 4 days and people here were losing their minds over it.   

 

As @Kirby Jackson already mentioned, he just has to have a 1:1 chat with Pegula and, as Terry's highest paid, most important employee, let him know he doesnt have confidence in the current regime and feels they are wasting his career. That's it really. That should be enough to get the wheels in motion.

 

Depending on what happens from there will determine the next steps. But for the most part, it's just conversations with the owner. Shouldnt be any hold outs or hold ins or anything public at all.

 

At worst, he let's Terry know if things dont change then he's unlikely to re-sign, or will start pushing for a trade. But that would likely be the most extreme extent.

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

So who comes in?  Belichick?  Daboll, if he gets canned?  Maybe John Harbaugh (seems like shirt changing to me).  I don't know if McD is the guy to get us there.  I have significant doubts.  But I don't know who the replacement should be, either. 

We need a sticky post with this link. Here is the list of the consensus HC candidates: 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans-19-top-head-coach-candidates

[Dillenger4]

The only way Josh plays "hardball" with this group is: "TRADE ME right frickin now"!

and from what I hear... he's ready.

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

We need a sticky post with this link. Here is the list of the consensus HC candidates: 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans-19-top-head-coach-candidates

A new coach essentially means a dead season. I don't care who is on that list - this D is not winning anything.

[dorquemada]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Cignetti feels like a Chip Kelly to me.  Not sure his schtick would work with grown men.  If McVay isn’t attainable, I’d give serious thought to Stefanski.  Cleveland has terrible ownership.  Stefanski with Josh and a non dumpster fire organization could get us to the promised land.  

 

Can he bring Schwartz 

[Walking Tall]

54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t believe that they can. I think that you could take any competent coach in college or the NFL and be 4-2 right now. I believe that they have played about as poorly as this group can possibly play with the exception of the 1st half against the Jets and the last 4 minutes vs. Baltimore. 

You don’t believe things could get worse.

 

So what you are saying is that there is nobody out there worse than McDermott, Brady and Babich?

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Walking Tall

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

The only way Josh plays "hardball" with this group is: "TRADE ME right frickin now"!

and from what I hear... he's ready.

A new coach essentially means a dead season. I don't care who is on that list - this D is not winning anything.

 

We can only hope that when we get our injured players back as well as the players coming suspension that they will improve the defense. If they don't then the Bills are screwed, and we can forget about having a shot at a championship season.

[Bruffalo]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

As @Kirby Jackson already mentioned, he just has to have a 1:1 chat with Pegula and, as Terry's highest paid, most important employee, let him know he doesnt have confidence in the current regime and feels they are wasting his career. That's it really. That should be enough to get the wheels in motion.

 

Depending on what happens from there will determine the next steps. But for the most part, it's just conversations with the owner. Shouldnt be any hold outs or hold ins or anything public at all.

 

At worst, he let's Terry know if things dont change then he's unlikely to re-sign, or will start pushing for a trade. But that would likely be the most extreme extent.

Okay, sure. 

 

That wouldn't be in the realm of hardball to me, but I can see where someone may think differently.

[Dillenger4]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

We can only hope that when we get our injured players back as well as the players coming suspension that they will improve the defense. If they don't then the Bills are screwed, and we can forget about having a shot at a championship season.

Ogunjobi?? Don't count on it. He's a JAG rotational player.

Hoecht? Maybe. Hopefully.

Max? Again... who knows.

We have serious trouble at LB and Safety and CB.

DJ is now hurt "week-to-week".

We are old.

But, hope is eternal.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

A new coach essentially means a dead season. I don't care who is on that list - this D is not winning anything.

 

No it doesnt. This isnt the drought-era complete rebuild. This is a "step in and step up" situation.

 

Retooling a Defense is a pretty quick turnaround. We saw Doug frickin Whaley pull it off a number of times when he was dealt 5 Defensive Coordinators in 4 years (each with differerent schemes). And we still had a great defense.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No washed up retreads. The answer is you have a zillion options that could accomplish what they have. The point is, it doesn’t matter if it is Stefanski or Flores or Klint Kubiak or whomever. The floor doesn’t move much (assuming healthy Josh) but maybe the ceiling does.

 

My guy at this point is Curt Cignetti. He’s older than I’d like but just wins. He has that swagger/confidence that I’m looking for in the next coach. The Bills have lost their edge. Cignetti’s teams never lose their edge.

That’s the phrase that pays.  Could and did are two different things.  As are could and would.  If McD definitely can’t get us “there,” then he’s gotta go.  But I don’t believe in firing someone without a plan to not only replace but improve.  Cignetti is an interesting name, for sure.  But I’m thinking more along the lines of a Dungy for Gruden situation.  So who is Gruden here? 

[Dillenger4]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

No it doesnt. This isnt the drought-era complete rebuild. This is a "step in and step up" situation.

 

Retooling a Defense is a pretty quick turnaround. We saw Doug frickin Whaley pull it off a number of times when he was dealt 5 Defensive Coordinators in 4 years (each with differerent schemes). And we still had a great defense.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Our players today are nowhere near what we had with Whaley.

We need LB's.

We need CB's x 2.

We need Safety.

we need youth and speed on D.

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

You don’t believe things could get worse.

 

So what you are saying is that there is bo ody out there worse than McDermott, Brady and Babich?

 

 

Not saying that. That would be “everyone is better.” I think 4-2 is the absolute floor for where this team could be. I think lots and lots of people would have them there. There are also people that would have this group at 5-1 or 6-0.

It’s kind of like Brian and Joanna in Office Space with the pieces of flair. He’s the Jennifer Aniston character. He has done enough to meet the requirement but isn’t exceeding it. The ceiling of the Josh Allen era Buffalo Bills is a Super Bowl title. I believe that the floor over the last handful of years was an AFCE title most years and a WC in that one year Miami was good. A first round exit is the floor. So far, these guys have won AFCE titles and a playoff game or 2 every year. They’ve been at or slightly above the floor. They obviously haven’t played for a Super Bowl or won one. So, if by making a change that means, now you’re a WC team or get eliminated in round 1 instead of 2, so be it. I’ll take that risk in exchange for better showings vs. KC. I hope that this clears up the confusion. 
 

As an aside, this all assumes a healthy Josh Allen. If he gets hurt, all bets are off regardless of who else is healthy or calling the shots. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

You are comparing apples to oranges. Our players today are nowhere near what we had with Whaley.

We need LB's.

We need CB's x 2.

We need Safety.

we need youth and speed on D.

 

That stands whether it's the current regime or a new one, so not an argument against making a regime change.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That’s the phrase that pays.  Could and did are two different things.  As are could and would.  If McD definitely can’t get us “there,” then he’s gotta go.  But I don’t believe in firing someone without a plan to not only replace but improve.  Cignetti is an interesting name, for sure.  But I’m thinking more along the lines of a Dungy for Gruden situation.  So who is Gruden here? 

That’s the question. I hate the idea of a lot of these retreads in that the game seems to be changing all of the time. Sean Payton was the guy I wanted a few years ago. He would check that box. Mike McCarthy? Feels gross. There doesn’t feel like there are any viable candidates with a championship pedigree at the NFL level (maybe some coordinators).

 

You probably have to look to college if you want someone that’s won titles. Day’s name pops up a lot but as an Ohio State fan, I don’t think he’s the guy. Kirby Smart? He’s not yet 50, won a few titles, sustained excellence and is a Saban disciple. 

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, Another Fan said:

Like if he genuinely feels McDermott and Brady are holding him back.  Would you want to see him go above their heads to get them fired per se?

 

Josh is a nice guy and something like that would seem out of character.  Plus it could ruin the locker room.    But a lot of the great QBs had that SOB/Diva in them.  

 

 

Josh has to take accountability on his own for poor play and he does that. People keep throwing out the notion that “no one’s ever open” but Joe Marino said there were guys open throughout the game and he has the tape to show you to prove it. That’s not a Beane or McD issue, that’s a Josh Allen issue. Brady and Allen were the problem with the offense, if Allen was playing nearly flawless but constantly let down by others around him that would be another discussion. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Yes, pending the results of this season.

 

 

[boater]

Should Josh play hardball with the organization?

 

To what end? Just because he's a great QB, that doesn't mean he's great with X and O's. He has no clue what to demand. This place is becoming stupid on steroids.

[Dillenger4]

9 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Josh has to take accountability on his own for poor play and he does that. People keep throwing out the notion that “no one’s ever open” but Joe Marino said there were guys open throughout the game and he has the tape to show you to prove it. That’s not a Beane or McD issue, that’s a Josh Allen issue. Brady and Allen were the problem with the offense, if Allen was playing nearly flawless but constantly let down by others around him that would be another discussion. 

Speaking the truth!

Cook yelling at him the other night was very interesting!

[Donuts and Doritos]

You mean run the show like Aaron Rodgers? No thanks.

[CirclnWagons]

The question is, will they get him and the defense some kind of help prior to the deadline or are they content just sending him out every Sunday with his Superman cape and telling him to handle it and trusting him to score enough points to bail out the D. The cap situation makes things hard to do too much but teams have gotten far more creative with far less if they legit believe they’re in a Super Bowl window. What takes place between now and the end of the trade deadline will say a lot about how committed they are to winning this year.