Would you want to see Josh play hardball with the organization?

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Would Pegula be willing to steal him from his precious Penn St?

Is Cignetti not Marrone 2.0?

 

Man, he gives off some Marrone vibes.  That is a great call. His track record of success is longer. That guy is such a winner but is he ever prickly. 🤣🤣

There’s so much smoke around him and Penn St. I’m not sure if that’s a positive or negative when it comes to Terry as the owner. It probably makes him more aware of him at least. I doubt he takes Penn State’s guy. For me, Cignetti probably checks the most boxes that I want in the next HC.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Man, he gives off some Marrone vibes.  That is a great call. His track record of success is longer. That guy is such a winner but is he ever prickly. 🤣🤣

There’s so much smoke around him and Penn St. I’m not sure if that’s a positive or negative when it comes to Terry as the owner. It probably makes him more aware of him at least. I doubt he takes Penn State’s guy. For me, Cignetti probably checks the most boxes that I want in the next HC.

 

For what it's worth I liked Marrone for most of his tenure here except forcing Hackett on the world. Would love to see what he wouldve done with a real QB on the roster with that Defense.

[muppy]

11 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

I never said he would play hard ball, nor do I condone he do so.  I voted NO. 

 

My statement is if he decides to roll out at the end of his contract, I wouldn't be mad. 🤷

fair enough. I admit Im salty this week. If I made my case emotionally I own it.

[Billl]

24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Have players line up in formation correctly.

Have players line up onsides.

Have players remember how to tackle.

Have game plans that play to strengths of our team and the weaknesses of the opponents.

Have schemes that arent outdated and figured out.

Have the team show up like they actually care and arent zombies going through the motions.

 

Really just the basics of coaching, and he isnt even doing that.

 

Sure, but the team is 4-2.  Is your view that the roster is so talented that a minimally competent coach would be enough to just roll their helmets onto the field and be 5-1 or 6-0?  Take Philly’s roster from last season, for example, since they won a championship.  QBs aside, how many players from the current Bills roster would have started on that team?  

 

Cook, Brown, Dawkins, Shakir, and Benford are probably the best players on Buffalo’s roster.  Do any of them start over Saquan, Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata, AJ Brown/DeVonta Smith, or Slay/DeJean/Mitchell?  Benford is the only one who would even have a chance, and even that is only a “maybe” given his play this season.  Of the 21 starters, you could count on one hand those where the 2025 Bills would have an advantage.

 

Now that Eagles team might have had the best roster I’ve ever seen, but it still speaks to the talent gap that McDermott has to overcome in order to take the team from what it’s been to champions.  (And that Eagles team also started out 4-2 with a loss at the Falcons.)

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

Sure, but the team is 4-2.  Is your view that the roster is so talented that a minimally competent coach would be enough to just roll their helmets onto the field and be 5-1 or 6-0?  Take Philly’s roster from last season, for example, since they won a championship.  QBs aside, how many players from the current Bills roster would have started on that team?  

 

Cook, Brown, Dawkins, Shakir, and Benford are probably the best players on Buffalo’s roster.  Do any of them start over Saquan, Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata, AJ Brown/DeVonta Smith, or Slay/DeJean/Mitchell?  Benford is the only one who would even have a chance, and even that is only a “maybe” given his play this season.  Of the 21 starters, you could count on one hand those where the 2025 Bills would have an advantage.

 

Now that Eagles team might have had the best roster I’ve ever seen, but it still speaks to the talent gap that McDermott has to overcome in order to take the team from what it’s been to champions.  (And that Eagles team also started out 4-2 with a loss at the Falcons.)

 

But we arent losing because we are so out-classed on talent. We're killing ourselves with dumb mistakes, lack of basic fundamentals, and bad game plan/play calling.

 

We just got our lunch eaten by the Patriots who are/should be considered a less talented team on paper, but they outclass us at coaching, and it showed.

 

Vrabel is spinning 4-13 straw into competing for the division. We're showing up unprepared, undisciplined, and uninspired.

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Can you take any GM and have the 8 year run the Bills have had?  The overwhelming issue right now is talent and injuries, not coaching.

no, because not any GM finds Allen

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Good points, but we're a little lucky that Pegula treats the Sabres much much differently than how he manages the Bills. Additionally, Josh has a very different level of cache than Eichel ever did.

 

As to the result? It at least should get those wheels turning in Terry's head and make it known that his top players arent happy/confident in the staff. What he does from there, who knows. But I believe it would at least change the mindset from "Everything is fine, I can ride these guys for the next 10 years, they have carte blanche" to "I need to keep an eye on if they are making changes/improving".

 

If word got back to McD that the conversation happened, I completely agree he would not be happy. No one would. But then he needs to ask himself why it happened.

 

NHL money compared to NFL money (and owner prestige) is two different worlds, yes.  And agree that Josh is Terry's bankable star to carry them on the field and also with the new stadium.  

 

I keep thinking about how Terry somewhat regretted giving McBeane so much authority over football ops back in 2017.  Since then, ownership has given them a ton of money and that control...but if there are rumblings with Josh's unhappiness then his financial future would overrule whatever agreement was there in the past.  

 

Not sure how to interpret that being good or bad...but it's a pivotal time in franchise history.  Two guys - a HC and GM - probably making around a third or a quarter of the franchise QB can't get in the way no matter what.  

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

IMO Rex's Ds being "horrible" was more on Rex/Rob and dropping Mario back into coverage than it being a personnel issue.

 

I think it's fair to go back as far as 2012, when Whaley was AsstGM/Director of Player Personnel, to start looking at the changes and how much re-tooling he had to do year over year. Moving from Wandstadt to Pettine to Schwartz to Rex/Thruman to McD/Frazier.

 

Some very good years in there as you pointed out, and some down years, but never outright horrible, and we were never so many PLAYERS away from being good on Defense, it was almost always a scheme issue.

 

All in all, we agree. The fear of change shouldnt stop Pegula from making the change. At worst we have one anxious year where we still make the playoffs.

 

I don't disagree with any of that. But a change of scheme again risks that again (and I don't think we have the core prime age personnel we had in that period). 

 

We were horrible under Wandstadt though. And year 1 of Rex was horrible too. Year 2 they improved but not enough.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree with any of that. But a change of scheme again risks that again (and I don't think we have the core prime age personnel we had in that period). 

 

We were horrible under Wandstadt though. And year 1 of Rex was horrible too. Year 2 they improved but not enough.

 

And I dont disagree with any of that! The only "good" thing we have going towards that is that the defense needs a complete overhaul and new players anyways, so we either rebuild it to this lame scheme or to a new scheme. 

[Mango]

I swear my browser says twbillsdrive.com. But it keeps bringing me to BBMB. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

To be clear, I’m lumping McDermott and Beane together. I think that the team lacks talent. That’s the part that Beane owns. I also think that 4-2, with that schedule is about as bad as they could be. They’ve played significantly worse than that. They have played 1 half of football this season to their standard, the 1st half vs. the Jets. That’s the part McDermott owns. 

Maybe. That’s where we disagree I guess. What is the absolute worst that you think this team could be with a healthy Josh Allen and this schedule? For me, it’s 10-7 with a WC. I’ve lowered it from the start of the year after watching how out of sync they look. I’m not worried about a coordinator that I haven’t seen succeed or fail because I’m betting on a WC and 10 wins as the floor. 

I think our floor with a bad coach (and it’s possible that a coach that we hire is a bad coach, especially if it’s a coordinator that has never coached), is not making the playoffs.  Especially playing the afc west and nfc north next season.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I think our floor with a bad coach (and it’s possible that a coach that we hire is a bad coach, especially if it’s a coordinator that has never coached), is not making the playoffs.  Especially playing the afc west and nfc north next season.

 

2026 looks like a tough schedule. 

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=cd55afa973638c91748078671948042391a48d7e607a6e1886296ff4fcf3a0c7JmltdHM9MTc2MDQ4NjQwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=39432f18-80d3-69d2-2993-3dda815f6841&psq=buffalo+bills+future+schedules&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9mYnNjaGVkdWxlcy5jb20vbmZsL2J1ZmZhbG8tYmlsbHMv

 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

I swear my browser says twbillsdrive.com. But it keeps bringing me to BBMB. 

Makes since, since the past two weeks have felt like drought-era losses. 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think our floor with a bad coach (and it’s possible that a coach that we hire is a bad coach, especially if it’s a coordinator that has never coached), is not making the playoffs.  Especially playing the afc west and nfc north next season.

That makes sense for why we aren’t seeing things eye-to-eye. Before the year I would have said 12-5 or 11-6 with a division title was the floor. We are underachieving to my floor so I’ve bumped it down to a WC and 10-7. 

Lol, it better be the division though because I have a sizable wager with some Dolphin fan on Twitter (he gets the field). 🤣🤣

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That makes sense for why we aren’t seeing things eye-to-eye. Before the year I would have said 12-5 or 11-6 with a division title was the floor. We are underachieving to my floor so I’ve bumped it down to a WC and 10-7. 

Lol, it better be the division though because I have a sizable wager with some Dolphin fan on Twitter (he gets the field). 🤣🤣

Oh man- I’m right there with ya (minus the sizable wager part 😂). I win 50 if the bills win the division and lose $200 if we don’t 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Oh man- I’m right there with ya (minus the sizable wager part 😂). I win 50 if the bills win the division and lose $200 if we don’t 

The guy gave me the Bills at -200 before the year. That was way better than I was getting in Vegas. After week 4, I was offering buyouts. Now, he is ALL over me. The amount of gifs I’m receiving daily is crazy. 🤣🤣 

[SlamnSam]

7 hours ago, Gregg said:

I would rather see Terry play hardball with Beane and McDermott. Then we will see real change.

Pegulas are the problem not anyone else. They are holding the purse strings and looking for their exit