Can everyone just take a freakin breath?

[tigerthelion]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Would have been a bad hire.  daboll is not a good HC.

Gotta agree with that.  Daboll is unhinged.  Entertaining at times, but he has a screw loose for sure. 

[Blackbeard]

Changing over HC and potentially GM will have long term effects.  New coaches coming on board.  New philosophies.  New plays.  

This all takes time and doesn't happen overnight.  My thoughts are if Pegulas do decide to change course, how much more time will be lost until whatever new system is installed, correct players brought in, and creases ironed?  

 

Just going out an getting a new HC isn't a quickie fix.  Not to mention, who's even available??  Ron Rivera?

 

Mistake to change course imo.

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

It's a week to week league, sure, but Carolina held Penix to 170 and 2 ints, Bijan to 72, London to 55, and the entire team to 0 points. The Bills come out and give a literal historical performance for the Falcons Offense. Not to mention the Panthers moved the ball at will vs them, and the very next week the Bills (and their supposed "everybody eats lol") offense cant muster more than 14 points.

 

It's transitive in that regard. They need to be better and superbowl teams/rosters don't give that performance last night. 

Let’s be honest. We all know the defensive deficiencies so the Falcons playmakers’ success, while disappointing, was not entirely surprising. The thing that is most disheartening is the offense’s production, or lack thereof. They seemed hopeless against that defense. They’re not going far in the playoffs with that kind of production. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Changing over HC and potentially GM will have long term effects.  New coaches coming on board.  New philosophies.  New plays.  

This all takes time and doesn't happen overnight.  My thoughts are if Pegulas do decide to change course, how much more time will be lost until whatever new system is installed, correct players brought in, and creases ironed?  

 

Just going out an getting a new HC isn't a quickie fix.  Not to mention, who's even available??  Ron Rivera?

 

Mistake to change course imo.

Here is the current candidate list: https://www.si.com/nfl/titans-19-top-head-coach-candidates

[ScotSHO]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

The thing that pisses me off the most is that while all of WNY and Bills Mafia everywhere wallows in this doom cycle (expect "trade Josh Allen" threads to start before they take another snap), the players all get a week off to go to the beach. 

Now that you mention it, that 4th and 3 half-assed flip to Ray Davis does bring up trade me feelings...

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

This freakin place is so awful after a loss. Obviously 2 in a row makes it way worse.

 

We're making the playoffs. That's all i care about. I would love the #1 seed, but I reject any notion we need it. McDermott's playoff road record may be 0-whatever, but that leaves out the fact that other than 2019 (when we weren't this iteration of the Bills and Josh Allen wasn't yet Elite), every road playoff loss came against the Chiefs.

 

That proves somehow we're doomed on the road against other teams in the playoffs??? Totally disagree.

 

I also think this crowning of NE is really premature.

 

Guys, before the season started looking at our schedule to start the season I think we all would have been happy with 5-1 at the bye. We're one game off that pace with a mass of circumstances I think we underestimated.

 

Let's just take a step back for a moment and look at what really happened against Atlanta.

 

Our #1 receiving weapon who's become Josh’s most reliable target and finally seemed ready to break into that "Elite TE" category was out.

 

Josh Palmer got injured on the 2nd series and I really think that killed our offensive passing game. It was clear to me the Bills were about to integrate him more into the offense. Even the commentators brought up the conversations they had with Bills coaches last week about Palmer's deceptive speed.

 

Daquan Jones suffered a calf injury during warmups leaving us with 3 active DTs, one of them being Ed Oliver coming off injury. (Side note: Deonne Walker is going to be awesome!) 3 DT rotation against Bijan and Algier??? Yikes!

 

Bernard gets hurt mid game and exits. 

 

McGovern gets hurt and comes back clearly still hobbled.

 

 

Plus we have 2 important defensive reinforcements coming in right after the bye and hopefully Hairston can play soon after.

 

Say whatever about our remaining schedule but none of these teams are that scary. The Bengals will probably still be starting Flacco and their D sucks. The Eagles (as stated) look like the NFC version of us. 

 

Kansas City is, in reality, an inconsistent up and down team we're going to play at home and is the one team on our schedule this team doesn't look past. Yes they got players back, but they lost last week against the Jags with Worthy and it baffles my mind the way Rashee Rice is talked about as an Elite WR who will inevitably unlock their offense. The guy has played 20 NFL games and surpassed 100 yards a whopping 4 times. I'm not saying he won't be good and won't help, but the whole "uh oh!!! It's the high power Chiefs of 5 years ago!" is pretty ridiculous.

 

The Bucs and Steelers look good, but how much do we really think that lasts?

 

We aren't going undefeated after the bye, but who cares? January into (hopefully) February is all that matters. Just get there.

 

Take the bye, get healthy... take a breath. 

You’re right that there’s no point to being miserable. It solves nothing. I want to know why and then I want to know the potential solutions. 
 

There ARE things the Bills can do to get better right now. Firing Babich would be number 1. They showed they will can crappy coordinators (say that 3x) w/ Dorsey if necessary. Historically, new coaches usually bring a new energy & success. I’m all for the scapegoat method if it leads to change. 
 

The second thing I want is for Beane to really see what’s out there on the trade market as far as a boundary stretching WR. Jerry Jeudy is an option. AJ Brown is another. Pair them with a healthy Kincaid and Shakir, you all the sudden have a respectable cast of receivers. 
 

I do agree with you about the injuries. I’ve never seen the Bills lose so many important players so quickly. I mean nobody is possibly prepared for something like that. You can point to strength & conditioning and training or whatever, but these are grown men and professionals. They know how to take care of their bodies because that’s literally what gets them paid. I feel like McDermott is being unfairly criticized for something that is largely out of his control. A lot of People including myself were overlooking this. 

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm genuinely curious about this.... 

 

So you're honestly saying this year's team is less talented than last year's team? 

 

I feel like if you take a minute and do a position by position comparison to our players last year you would rescind that statement.

Truth is, neither years roster is SB worthy. 

[90sBills]

54 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Saddest part is we have no rebuttal.

Why would there be a need rebut such an insane proclamation. Winning regular season games is considered a dynasty now?

43 minutes ago, chongli said:

End of story.

They’ve also lost in the playoffs every year since 2019. End of that story too?

[Low Positive]

9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Why would there be a need rebut such an insane proclamation. Winning regular season games is considered a dynasty now?

They’ve also lost in the playoffs every year since 2019. End of that story too?

If I was in a better mood about all of this, I would argue that you cannot win a playoff game in September/October. 

 

As to your first point, everyone in New England thinks that dynastic football teams are their birthright. Everyone, from credentialed media right down to these two Marine Biologists from Malden, Mass. 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Low Positive

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Bernard gets hurt mid game and exits. 

 

 

This actually seemed to improve the D yesterday ..,🤔

[90sBills]

5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

If I was in a better mood about all of this, I would argue that you cannot win a playoff game in September/October. 

 

As to your first point, everyone in New England thinks that dynastic football teams are their birthright. Everyone, from credentialed media right down to these two Marine Biologists from Malden, Mass. 

 

I’m glad you don’t want to argue as I’m too depressed to do that now. It’s better we laugh at those NE crazies. 

[dpberr]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We don't have the dbs to play man press. Trust me, I wish we did. But McD was obsessed with his zone scheme. We'd have to replace most of our dbs.

Can't we get just one?  😀  I'd put Benford on the slower of the two.  

 

I don't need a star.  Need a decent, perhaps good one that can stay on the field.  I'll take guys with potential.  I'll try Ingram, Kimber, etc.  

[transplantbillsfan]

18 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What have you seen to make you think we’d have any shot against KC in the playoffs? We struggled against the saints. We can’t beat KC when we are actually good. What is going to happen now?

 

I've watched the Bills over the years. And especially last year when we fielded the most similar team to what we have this year. And we were a few plays away from taking down the Chiefs in that game.

[Sweats]

We used to be the team that dominated and beat our will into opponents and now, it seems it's the Bills that are getting beat down and almost just giving up.

 

I see no fire, no passion, no drive........nothing.

 

Team is soft and rudderless........that falls on coaching.

[transplantbillsfan]

17 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Truth is, neither years roster is SB worthy. 

 

How is that the truth for a roster that was a potential couple plays away from playing in the Super Bowl last year after beating another team that many believed was one of the best rosters in the NFL in Baltimore?

[Fleezoid]

17 hours ago, Low Positive said:

If I was in a better mood about all of this, I would argue that you cannot win a playoff game in September/October. 

 

As to your first point, everyone in New England thinks that dynastic football teams are their birthright. Everyone, from credentialed media right down to these two Marine Biologists from Malden, Mass. 

 

 

Two things about that video:

 

1. Jay should tell that dude freaking out to shut the **** up!

 

2. I would not want to be with that dude in a crisis.  You know he's the one that'll be like...

 

 

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Two things about that video:

 

1. Jay should tell that dude freaking out to shut the **** up!

 

2. I would not want to be with that dude in a crisis.  You know he's the one that'll be like...

 

 

That video is on my list of three things that will lift my mood when I get into a dark place. The others are The Big Lebowski and Dazed and Confused. But watching two drunk Massholes on a boat really can't be beat for pure humor. It's the accent that gets me every time. 

[T master]

22 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

This freakin place is so awful after a loss. Obviously 2 in a row makes it way worse.

 

We're making the playoffs. That's all i care about. I would love the #1 seed, but I reject any notion we need it. McDermott's playoff road record may be 0-whatever, but that leaves out the fact that other than 2019 (when we weren't this iteration of the Bills and Josh Allen wasn't yet Elite), every road playoff loss came against the Chiefs.

 

That proves somehow we're doomed on the road against other teams in the playoffs??? Totally disagree.

 

I also think this crowning of NE is really premature.

 

Guys, before the season started looking at our schedule to start the season I think we all would have been happy with 5-1 at the bye. We're one game off that pace with a mass of circumstances I think we underestimated.

 

Let's just take a step back for a moment and look at what really happened against Atlanta.

 

Our #1 receiving weapon who's become Josh’s most reliable target and finally seemed ready to break into that "Elite TE" category was out.

 

Josh Palmer got injured on the 2nd series and I really think that killed our offensive passing game. It was clear to me the Bills were about to integrate him more into the offense. Even the commentators brought up the conversations they had with Bills coaches last week about Palmer's deceptive speed.

 

Daquan Jones suffered a calf injury during warmups leaving us with 3 active DTs, one of them being Ed Oliver coming off injury. (Side note: Deonne Walker is going to be awesome!) 3 DT rotation against Bijan and Algier??? Yikes!

 

Bernard gets hurt mid game and exits. 

 

McGovern gets hurt and comes back clearly still hobbled.

 

 

Plus we have 2 important defensive reinforcements coming in right after the bye and hopefully Hairston can play soon after.

 

Say whatever about our remaining schedule but none of these teams are that scary. The Bengals will probably still be starting Flacco and their D sucks. The Eagles (as stated) look like the NFC version of us. 

 

Kansas City is, in reality, an inconsistent up and down team we're going to play at home and is the one team on our schedule this team doesn't look past. Yes they got players back, but they lost last week against the Jags with Worthy and it baffles my mind the way Rashee Rice is talked about as an Elite WR who will inevitably unlock their offense. The guy has played 20 NFL games and surpassed 100 yards a whopping 4 times. I'm not saying he won't be good and won't help, but the whole "uh oh!!! It's the high power Chiefs of 5 years ago!" is pretty ridiculous.

 

The Bucs and Steelers look good, but how much do we really think that lasts?

 

We aren't going undefeated after the bye, but who cares? January into (hopefully) February is all that matters. Just get there.

 

Take the bye, get healthy... take a breath. 

I have a tendency to agree with you but I would love to see Josh get to the big game and bring him the trophy for him, the city and the team but there are those here that think the sky is falling every time a game is lost and forget the resilience of this team and it's staff .

 

I don't understand at times what some of the coaches are thinking Brady being 1 !! He had the highest scoring offend win the league last season and instead of tweaking it he has forgotten what made last year such a success & calls plays like that jet sweep on 3rd & 2 when he has what Josh calls the best 3rd down back in the league in Ty & Cook was getting 5 yds a carry WTF is up with that ???

 

The weapons are there USE THEM CORRECTLY or remember what you did last season and this to will pass !! 

 

The one thing I think our fan base forgets with all of this "Fire McD he's not worth a flip" is what happened to Philly when they fired Reid ? Sure they went back to the play offs but like when the Bills hired rex changes were made by the new coach and they had a losing season and it took time to find another winning coach that fit .

 

And in this fan base the B**CHING would be 10 fold what it is now ! This fan base is like the wife that is never happy during menopause, always complaining no matter what you give them or how nice something is they gotta B**CH about it !!

 

I think they all have sand in their mangina !! 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I've watched the Bills over the years. And especially last year when we fielded the most similar team to what we have this year. And we were a few plays away from taking down the Chiefs in that game.

But lost. I don’t get it. Like how are you using the last few years as a positive? Showing what? That we CANT get past them? If anything you don’t want history to be repeating itself. Obviously what we have been doing isn’t good enough. We have had 6 or 7 good shots at it…

[DrDawkinstein]

18 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Changing over HC and potentially GM will have long term effects.  New coaches coming on board.  New philosophies.  New plays.  

This all takes time and doesn't happen overnight.  My thoughts are if Pegulas do decide to change course, how much more time will be lost until whatever new system is installed, correct players brought in, and creases ironed?  

 

Just going out an getting a new HC isn't a quickie fix.  Not to mention, who's even available??  Ron Rivera?

 

Mistake to change course imo.

 

How many down years did the Eagles have when they changed from Doug Pederson to Nick Siriani? (Super Bowl 2 years later, Super Bowl victory 4 years later)

How many down years did the Buccaneers have when they changed from Arians to Bowles?

 

This isnt a complete franchise reset like we are used to in the drought years when the cupboards were bare for the new regime.

 

This is a "step in and step up" situation. We may see some turnover on Defense with a new scheme, but that is a GOOD thing imo, and Defenses are usually quicker/easier to rebuild as we've seen a number of times.