Go on record... Fire McDermott?

[Negan]

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

... 16 years ago, with prime Drew Brees, in a less-competitive NFC, when his team was running an illicit bounty program where they were deliberately trying to injure opposing offenses with his knowing consent, leading to his suspension.

Sounds better than McDermott.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Avisan said:

What is the obsession with Sean Payton?  What has he done to demonstrate being a superior coach?

 

I swear some of y'all like a-holes strictly because they're a-holes, like it's somehow a character plus for you.

 

1. Won a Super Bowl already

2. Even when saddled with a hapless Russell Wilson and a crappy roster, out-manuevered and out-coached McDermott in 2023, leading the Broncos to a last second win over the Bills.

3. Has the Broncos winning and relevant again with a lesser roster and Bo frickin Nix at QB.

 

No one can say he is coasting on talent in Denver. That team is clearly being coached up while they beat the likes of the Eagles. While the Bills and Josh Allen are winning in spite of McDermott too many times, and are now losing as they show up unprepared, undisciplined, and unmotivated.

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

2. Even when saddled with a hapless Russell Wilson and a crappy roster, out-manuevered and out-coached McDermott in 2023, leading the Broncos to a last second win over the Bills.

They lucked out crazily on a prayer ball against a zero blitz in a game where the Bills were at their offensive nadir under Dorsey.  This is absurd.  The Bills lost the turnover battle 4-1.

 

These are the numbers.  Show me the "out-coached".

[DrDawkinstein]

21 minutes ago, Avisan said:

They lucked out crazily on a prayer ball against a zero blitz in a game where the Bills were at their offensive nadir under Dorsey.  This is absurd.  The Bills lost the turnover battle 4-1.

 

These are the numbers.  Show me the "out-coached".

 

McDermott botched managing the game clock the last 2 drives of the game, then with the game on the line somehow had 12 men on the field for the FG the Broncos missed, giving them another chance from 5 yards closer, and they hit the winner. It was a poor showing from the coaches.

 

The numbers dont tell the story of in-game situations.

 

Look at that TOP difference even though we had bigger numbers. The Broncos controlled the game and kept it close against a far superior opponent. Thats coaching.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

McDermott botched managing the game clock the last 2 drives of the game, then with the game on the line somehow had 12 men on the field for the FG the Broncos missed, giving them another chance from 5 yards closer, and they hit the winner. It was a poor showing from the coaches.

 

The numbers dont tell the story of in-game situations.

 

Look at that TOP difference even though we had bigger numbers. The Broncos controlled the game and kept it close against a far superior opponent. Thats coaching.

If 13 seconds didn’t happen you could make a case that 12 men was the low point of his tenure for him. If I have my years straight didn’t that cost them the bye and homefield?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If 13 seconds didn’t happen you could make a case that 12 men was the low point of his tenure for him. If I have my years straight didn’t that cost them the bye and homefield?

 

Bad moment for sure.

 

I dont think that one cost us the playoff standing since it was the Dorsey year and we ended up 11-6, so plenty of bad losses that season to blame.

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If 13 seconds didn’t happen you could make a case that 12 men was the low point of his tenure for him. If I have my years straight didn’t that cost them the bye and homefield?

No.  Ravens won the AFC with 13 wins, the Bills came in second at 11-6.

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

McDermott botched managing the game clock the last 2 drives of the game, then with the game on the line somehow had 12 men on the field for the FG the Broncos missed, giving them another chance from 5 yards closer, and they hit the winner. It was a poor showing from the coaches.

 

The numbers dont tell the story of in-game situations.

 

Look at that TOP difference even though we had bigger numbers. The Broncos controlled the game and kept it close against a far superior opponent. Thats coaching.

Veteran player messed up iirc and the Bills were out of timeouts to fix it.

 

The Bills turned the ball over 4 times, fam.  That's what kept the game close.

[Another Fan]

I wouldn't fire him yet but ideally he would feel some kind of pressure from above to get things turned around soon.  Or an ultimatum of expected results he needs to meet.

 

 

I don't see that happening though 

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

For everyone who wants McDermott fired, I have a follow up question. 

 

Do you trust Terry Pegula to hire someone better? 

yeah while I'm not a Sabres fan (I would still like to see them do well though) it really sort of makes me cynical on what he would do going forward.

 

The Sabres hiring of Ruff to me is like 2.0 if the Jets hired Rex Ryan back again 

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Avisan said:

No.  Ravens won the AFC with 13 wins, the Bills came in second at 11-6.

Veteran player messed up iirc and the Bills were out of timeouts to fix it.

 

The Bills turned the ball over 4 times, fam.  That's what kept the game close.

 

Cant re-write history a couple years later hiding behind one stats screen, fam.

 

We all saw it, we all were here discussing it in real time. It was then, and forever will be, a coaching botch game.

 

It was a MAJOR tipping point for me as someone who was an ardent McDermott supporter to starting to see the flaws and becoming a McDermott skeptic. The memories of that night are still clear. There were plenty of questionable coaching calls against an inferior opponent.

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

For everyone who wants McDermott fired, I have a follow up question. 

 

Do you trust Terry Pegula to hire someone better? 

 

He's the one who fired Russ, Rex, and Whaley and hired McDermott. His approach to the Bills is a complete 180 from how he handles the Sabres.

So, while I'm not 100% confident he'd make the right hire, I'm willing to risk it.

[Avisan]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Cant re-write history a couple years later hiding behind one stats screen, fam.

 

We all saw it, we all were here discussing it in real time. It was then, and forever will be, a coaching botch game.

 

It was a MAJOR tipping point for me as someone who was an ardent McDermott supporter to starting to see the flaws and becoming a McDermott skeptic. The memories of that night are still clear. There were plenty of questionable coaching calls against an inferior opponent.

No, I watched this one real-time and thought the hysterics were overboard.  My posts from that time frame will back there up.

 

People were extremely upset about the zero blitz even though it did its job and the Broncos were extremely lucky to convert.  The 12 man thing was beyond frustrating but iirc a veteran player went out when he wasn't supposed to or otherwise flubbed his responsibilities leading to having too many folks on the field.  Coaching plays a huge role, obviously, but players need to be able to take care of the football, not have disastrous coverage reps, and execute their assignments, too.

[stuvian]

I still like McDermott and want to keep him on. I am, however, curious as to what Sean McVay will do when Stafford retires. I can't see him sitting through a rebuild.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, stuvian said:

I still like McDermott and want to keep him on. I am, however, curious as to what Sean McVay will do when Stafford retires. I can't see him sitting through a rebuild.

 

He'll take a cushy broadcasting job that will pay him double what any coaching job would pay. He aint moving to Buffalo.

[BillsVet]

Short of a SB appearance this year it's time to move on from McBeane.  The issue with this GM isn't so much draft picks/UFA signings, contract extensions, coordinator decisions, X's and O's, or in-game decisions.  It's an overall approach to football both of them seemingly share which isn't moving the team forward.  They're stuck in the Division/Championship Game round now 5 straight seasons with a franchise QB.  That's an eternity in NFL years with little to show for it besides an oft-referenced regular season record.  

[colin]

25 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Short of a SB appearance this year it's time to move on from McBeane.  The issue with this GM isn't so much draft picks/UFA signings, contract extensions, coordinator decisions, X's and O's, or in-game decisions.  It's an overall approach to football both of them seemingly share which isn't moving the team forward.  They're stuck in the Division/Championship Game round now 5 straight seasons with a franchise QB.  That's an eternity in NFL years with little to show for it besides an oft-referenced regular season record.  

 

I remember Kevin gilbrides NFL coaching career.  He was a crazy man who coached offense as if football was played on an infinite field and the goal was to net the gains you had on o vs the ones you lost on d, and whoever was the furthest ahead at the end of the game clock was the winner.  Always at all times he was looking for the biggest plays.  If it was 2nd and 2 and a 40 yard down the field out to the 3wr was in his mind the highest expected value of yards gained, then that what he called.  It was horrible when you had a lead and wanted to kill clock.  He was the merchant of passing to set up the run and he always had super productive running backs but they were running out of basic run schemes vs light boxes, and his protections were fairly simple too, but in passing it was all option routes all the time.

 

It was super green light football.  It lead to multiple disasters, as well as multiple top ranked is and two rings w the giants.  Total boom bust guy.

 

MCD to me seems to be a guy who coaches to have the best average result.  He is similarly to gilbride an all eggs in few baskets kinda coach.  He lives in fear of deep passes and will do everything to prevent them, he loves controlling the ball and "complimentary football".  He's switched from cowardly to second most aggressive on 4th downs in the NFL, so he can be taught new things mind you.

 

He's built a team to beat the KC team that smoked us on Allen's first afc chip game.  The problem is he simply is willing to allow the run in order to stop the pass, and when the d is off it allows both.  He doesn't really believe in having a very specific to the opponent game plan, or on having a plan b.  The downside is it can super frustrating to watch the bills get gashed with powenruns, or for a death of a thousand cuts while KC just grinds us in the playoffs.  The upside is with very tiny adjustments in people or concepts we can all do a sudden be in a game it looked like we were gonna get walked in.  The Baltimore comeback and how we shut ATL for basically the entire second half is an example of this just this season.

 

It's lead to a shocking level of season over season consistency and being bounced vs the best teams in the most heart breaking ways.

 

There are other coaches I'd much rather have given the team we have, but we are stuck with him at least until the end of this season and like longer still.  The hope is he can snap this team and his coordinators into shape so that they eliminate the penalties, mistakes, and turnovers and get back to their best advantage.

 

He is who he is and has built a team in his scrappy undersized image, we just need some luck and him to add one more wrinkle to just not get out coached by the reids and vrabels of the world who will tailor a game plan to their opponent and stand behind tough physical and dirty football.

 

Dungy was the same kind of guy, he got the boot from TB who won a chip shortly after, but he was able to catch lighting in a bottle and get hot and healthy at the right time w Indy.  Let's hope 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

For everyone who wants McDermott fired, I have a follow up question. 

 

Do you trust Terry Pegula to hire someone better? 

No I dont but if I have almost zero faith in the current regime I have nothing to lose. I guess either way Ill have to hope and pray for a miracle. Either the current regime figures it out or Terry pulls a rabbit out of the hat and gets it right for once.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

1. Won a Super Bowl already

2. Even when saddled with a hapless Russell Wilson and a crappy roster, out-manuevered and out-coached McDermott in 2023, leading the Broncos to a last second win over the Bills.

3. Has the Broncos winning and relevant again with a lesser roster and Bo frickin Nix at QB.

 

No one can say he is coasting on talent in Denver. That team is clearly being coached up while they beat the likes of the Eagles. While the Bills and Josh Allen are winning in spite of McDermott too many times, and are now losing as they show up unprepared, undisciplined, and unmotivated.

Idk if anything has changed since I saw this meme flying around the internet but apparently the broncos are running the nfl’s least creative offense when looking at motion rates etc.  could be bo nix limitations though for sure.  I think Payton is possibly just another guy the nfl has passed by.  It’s not his specialty that is working well for them. 
 

eagles got murdered by the giants when the giants were starting bargain bin receivers the next week lol. I’m not sure the broncos sneaking by them is super relevant. I think he’s probably just another mcd at best 

 

where do the broncos have less talent outside of qb? The skill position players is pretty comparable and their defense is loaded. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

1. Won a Super Bowl already

2. Even when saddled with a hapless Russell Wilson and a crappy roster, out-manuevered and out-coached McDermott in 2023, leading the Broncos to a last second win over the Bills.

3. Has the Broncos winning and relevant again with a lesser roster and Bo frickin Nix at QB.

 

No one can say he is coasting on talent in Denver. That team is clearly being coached up while they beat the likes of the Eagles. While the Bills and Josh Allen are winning in spite of McDermott too many times, and are now losing as they show up unprepared, undisciplined, and unmotivated.

I always add the NRC no call too. It was literally voted as the worst missed call ever. If they throw the flag, the Saints kick a 30 something yarder to go to another Super Bowl. I think that they would have won but either way, he would have had 2 appearances. Lol, if people think McDermott is a better coach than Sean Payton, I don’t know what to tell them.

[boyst]

38 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I always add the NRC no call too. It was literally voted as the worst missed call ever. If they throw the flag, the Saints kick a 30 something yarder to go to another Super Bowl. I think that they would have won but either way, he would have had 2 appearances. Lol, if people think McDermott is a better coach than Sean Payton, I don’t know what to tell them.

McDermott claps with the force of over 9000 Suns. This cannot be outdone by anyone

Edited 9 hours ago by boyst

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

1. Won a Super Bowl already

2. Even when saddled with a hapless Russell Wilson and a crappy roster, out-manuevered and out-coached McDermott in 2023, leading the Broncos to a last second win over the Bills.

3. Has the Broncos winning and relevant again with a lesser roster and Bo frickin Nix at QB.

 

No one can say he is coasting on talent in Denver. That team is clearly being coached up while they beat the likes of the Eagles. While the Bills and Josh Allen are winning in spite of McDermott too many times, and are now losing as they show up unprepared, undisciplined, and unmotivated.

 

All of that is true. But nobody has lost more playoff games to less talented teams while having an elite QB than Sean Payton. I do think he is a terrific Head Coach (though I don't think he is quite at the cutting edge offensively in the way he used to be) but if it is playoff success we lack I think an honest assessment of his resume suggests the Superbowl year was the outlier. 

[BVBILLS]

Bring in Gruden! He did it with the Bucs.  Lets gooo!!! 🍺 🤩

Sad reality is, if a move is made it probably wouldn't be until after another failure next season in the new stadium.