How Good is Joe Brady?

[harryS]

Re: Brady's LSU stint

 

The season right before Brady arrived, LSU already had Burrow, Jefferson, and Chase, and they were a bad offense.  Seriously, the season before Burrow threw for 60 TDs, he threw for only 16 TDs without Brady.  

 

Brady actually was not the offensive coordinator and didn't call the plays on game day, but he designed that passing offense.  If you followed college football closely that season, there was no doubt that the bulk of the credit went to Joe Brady for LSU's transformation from bad to historically great offense. 

[ganesh]

49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Two things I will say for sure:

 

1. He isn't as good as Sean McVay; but

2. If he had called the 4th down run McVay did on TNF we would have people here calling for his immediate firing. 

Didn’t we try that three time in this years AFCC? 

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Nor would I call looking at the final 10 games of his tenure by itself logical. He had a top 5 offense here for most of his tenure. The best in the NFL in several stats. McD, Brady, Daboll, Dorsey, Beane, will never escape the Allen impact. 

 

Since it was the problems with his offense in his last 10 games that got Dorsey fired, it is entirely logical. 

 

11 hours ago, ganesh said:

Daboll called  plays that put Allen to make better throws to his WR. He also had an alpha WR in Diggs along with an excellent slot WR. 
 

Brady has understood his WR limitations and took out those plays that only Diggs and Beasley could do. 
 

When you looked at Jones passing for 350 yards with no name receiver - have to say Brady is not in the same league as Shannahan or McVay. 

 

Brady also doesn't have the experience that Shanahan or McVay have.   He still has plenty of time to get better, but who knows?

 

 

1 hour ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

 10 points vs Cinci in the playoffs. And still kept his job!

 

Dorsey was the Bills OC in the 2022 playoffs against Cincinnati not Brady.

 

Dude, if you're gonna troll, at least do it competently.  

[billsbackto81]

For the record, I do like Brady as an OC. I just feel he doesn't have a good flow as the game goes along. Scoring on every opening drive this year is quite impressive. That tells me that whenever he can open it up, good things happen. But to me it just seems whenever a lead is slim and there's an opportunity to go for the kill he and McD go conservative and predictable. If Tua doesn't throw that pick and Rattler makes a better throw to Cooks we aren't winning by 2 scores (if at all) to two of the worst teams in the league. 

 

Of course the defense can try doing their part with a timely stop or two.

 

This is JMHO. 4-0 is 4-0

Edited 2 hours ago by billsbackto81

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Didn’t we try that three time in this years AFCC? 

 

We called sneaks.

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17 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I don't think we'll never know until McD decides to  take the governor restriction off the carburetor. 

 

17 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I think that is by design and with Josh's approval.  It controls the game, limits mistakes, wears down opponents and keeps Josh from getting beat up.  It's averaging 31+ pts a game.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

As others have pointed out here and elsewhere... that is the question... how effectively the Bills will throw when the defense knows they have to throw?

 

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

It's really difficult to tell exactly how good he is. Allen single handedly erases a lot of stalled drives and the only other time Brady was an NFL OC he failed and got fired.

Brady's play design and play calling is simple, for better or worse. He calls a few select formations and only has like 3-4 concepts he calls out of each of those formations. He basically tells the opposing defense I think I can call these plays even when you know they're coming and I dare you to stop it. We've seen that strategy falter a bit when defenses sell out to stop specific plays, but it's hard to argue with the results. Any given week we can put up 30+ points while barely breaking a sweat. Yes we have Allen as the ultimate force multiplier but that's been true since 2020 and we've only seen the week to week consistency show up since Brady took over.

I don't think he's particularly creative and he can be a bit too conservative for my liking so I would say he both significantly raises our floor and slightly reduces our ceiling.

 

I think the offense is well-constructed and QB-friendly and that's what makes me concerned that Trubisky has such a hard time running it. I know there are a lot of factors when choosing a backup QB but bottom line, I'd like a better one.

 

15 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I want to see the 3 headed monster at RB again soon. and an honest deep bomb caught from Brady and Allen design

 

This is another of my concerns... the drop-off from Cook is too large. IMO we need a better RB room... or Johnson and Cook have to start playing a lot better.

 

15 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

as long as he lifts the floor enough

 Creative should wait till later in the season , or post season.

Keep it simple as long as possible on game day , but practice the cool stuff.

Have you considered how many options Josh has  pre snap ? They have given him the Keys for sure. It might be a factor

 Both are growing together and that is a healthy dynamic.

 

This is the other question... how much depth, complexity, and variation Brady adds to the offense. Is this happening behind the scenes? Are the Bills keeping stuff under wraps?

 

14 hours ago, bills11 said:

True it's a very interesting approach similar to what the Colts did with Peyton..the one downside as you said is sometimes going to the well a bit too often like when we ran the sneak with Josh and the chiefs knew it was coming .

 

Except Manning had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in Indy and Demaryus Thomas, Eric Decker, Emmanuel Sanders, and Wes Welker in Denver... plus excellent tight ends. Manning has had better weapons than Josh.

 

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

IThat was a damning sequence in my opinion. It was obvious to the entire NFL that the Chiefs were prepared to stop that specific play. Failing to recognize that reality and then adjust in-game was just too obviously stubborn and conservative. Brady is often reluctant or even refuses to leverage his own play calling success and predictability on the snap BEFORE the defense adjusts to shut it down. He seemingly waits until the snap is wasted, rather than staying a step ahead. I've become very annoying and repetitive about this, apparently.

 

Kudos to the Eagles on being the first team (fittingly) to build wrinkles off of the Push Tush. How great would it have been against Kansas City for the Bills to have used it as the basis for fooling KC in the championship game? Based on the Chiefs overselling out to stop it, there seems almost no doubt that a trick play counter would have worked for the Bills.

 

3 hours ago, shane nelson said:

According to AI the Bills are 26-7 since Brady became OC.  As Parcells always said "You are what your record says you are" 

 

And without the benefit of a great defense.

 

1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:

For the record, I do like Brady as an OC. I just feel he doesn't have a good flow as the game goes along. Scoring on every opening drive this year is quite impressive. That tells me that whenever he can open it up, good things happen. But to me it just seems whenever a lead is slim and there's an opportunity to go for the kill he and McD go conservative and predictable. If Tua doesn't throw that pick and Rattler makes a better throw to Cooks we aren't winning by 2 scores (if at all) to two of the worst teams in the league. 

 

The bolded is the great unanswered question... how much influence does McDermott exert on the play calling?