Where is Landon Jackson ???

[Albany,n.y.]

On 9/30/2025 at 12:46 PM, ngbills said:

I didnt realize this thread was about the entire draft class. This was about Landon Jackson not an evaluation of the draft class. Our 3rd round pick has not seen a snap and I was pointing out that our 1st rounder has not either. They are 2 of only 3 players league wide picked that early in the draft that have not played. It is more of a fact than a criticism. And being 4-0 with no impact from 2 of your top 3 picks...

So you think a player on IR should play?  Complaining that the #1 pick hasn't played after getting injured is right up there with the worst posts.  Complain about Jackson if you want, but pointing out that our 1st round pick, who is on IR hasn't played is ridiculous.

[ngbills]

12 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

So you think a player on IR should play?  Complaining that the #1 pick hasn't played after getting injured is right up there with the worst posts.  Complain about Jackson if you want, but pointing out that our 1st round pick, who is on IR hasn't played is ridiculous.

No complaints just facts. Bad luck if anything. Regardless, the truth is still the truth - 69 of the first 72 players drafted have all seen the field. 2 of the 3 that haven't are Bills

[Captain Hindsight]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:51 AM, The Jokeman said:

and to think we could have taken Skyy Moore in the 2nd Round of the same draft..

Skyy Moore sounds like a porn name 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Skyy Moore sounds like a porn name 

 

That’s the backup plan if the football thing doesn’t work out. 

[billsfan89]

6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Skyy Moore sounds like a porn name 

 

Skyy Moore's porn name ironically is Pete Jones...

[Captain Hindsight]

On 9/30/2025 at 10:18 AM, gonzo1105 said:

Yes and I understand where your coming from but there are plenty of examples on this Bills team alone where guys who needed development have become at the very least good players after not playing much in their first year

 

Bernard didn’t play at all, Shakir was non existent as a rookie, Epenesa was inactive half the season(I think he’s not a great player btw), Spencer Brown and Dalton Kincaid took 3 years to be who they are, Bishop is rapidly improving after looking like a lost puppy and injured as a rookie. 
 

At least for the Bills, Jackson not being active isn’t an indicator of being a bust. He would be active on game days but the Bills 4th DE, Javon Solomon, is on a lot of the Special teams units and that’s the difference right now in him being active or not 

Yup. This happens on good teams. Gone are the days when our 3rd round pick was expected to start immediately. It would be nice to get some early returns, but we are 4-0 and getting healthier. Im not losing sleep over this one

 

 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yup. This happens on good teams. Gone are the days when our 3rd round pick was expected to start immediately. It would be nice to get some early returns, but we are 4-0 and getting healthier. Im not losing sleep over this one

 

 

 

I'm also glad to in the third round take chances on a high upside talent who might need more developing. That's the luxury of being a talented team. The Bills going into the draft had Groot, AJE, Bosa, and Hoecht 4 pretty solid to good DE options either as starters or higher end rotation players. Then you also had Solomon a mid-round pick the year before coming in off a year of development. The Bills didn't need a prospect who could come in right away year 1. They were drafted at DE more so for 2026 when Bosa and AJE are likely gone and they will need someone to step into the rotation. 

 

Jackson is a physical freak he had a 9.88 (and by some estimates a 9.95) RAS score. He has a good head on his shoulders too so character concerns aren't there. So if he maybe doesn't know how to use his hands or attack tackles at the NFL level give him a year to learn and develop and a second off-season as well and let's see what this guy has in 2026. 

 

Bad teams desperately need rookies who can make an impact right away. So teams with more pressing needs likely are going to pass on high upside players who might need a year or two because they need competence now. Overall I am just not too worried about Landon. Now if in 2026 he's not even able to crack the rotation at DE then yeah he's trending towards bust.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

20 hours ago, ngbills said:

No complaints just facts. Bad luck if anything. Regardless, the truth is still the truth - 69 of the first 72 players drafted have all seen the field. 2 of the 3 that haven't are Bills

 

Why'd you cut it off at 72?  Seems like a strange number... almost as though picks 75, 76, 80, 82, 88, 89, 91, 98, and 99 also haven't played in the 3rd round.  

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Why'd you cut it off at 72?  Seems like a strange number... almost as though picks 75, 76, 80, 82, 88, 89, 91, 98, and 99 also haven't played in the 3rd round.  

its a nice little soundbite/fact if you are looking to downgrade the effectiveness of the draft... but really what we are saying is that we were unfortunate with Max getting hurt and Jackson is not good enough at this juncture to play...  Sure wish he was pushing a vet and showing some spark, but apparently not... this was what we saw out of Epinessa his first year... limited action, needed to transform his body, understand the D etc...  not making excuses as I am disappointed where he is at... I was hoping for more... but he wont be the first 3rd rd pick to not crack a lineup early on...  

Edited yesterday at 01:43 PM by JP51

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

59 minutes ago, JP51 said:

its a nice little soundbite/fact if you are looking to downgrade the effectiveness of the draft... but really what we are saying is that we were unfortunate with Max getting hurt and Jackson is not good enough at this juncture to play...  Sure wish he was pushing a vet and showing some spark, but apparently not... this was what we saw out of Epinessa his first year... limited action, needed to transform his body, understand the D etc...  not making excuses as I am disappointed where he is at... I was hoping for more... but he wont be the first 3rd rd pick to not crack a lineup early on...  

 

Yeah - just calling out how a true data point can be construed a certain way.  

 

I wonder what they're wanting out of him tbh.  Is it mental mistakes?  Is it strength or hand usage?  Is he too heavy and slow?  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Why'd you cut it off at 72?  Seems like a strange number... almost as though picks 75, 76, 80, 82, 88, 89, 91, 98, and 99 also haven't played in the 3rd round.  

 

Back when we had lousy teams during the drought he would have gotten plenty of snaps. Would that make people happier? 

 

This is part of having a good team. I wish he was looking like an All Pro, but I can’t say our current situation is shocking. 

[Brand J]

Hindsight is 20/20, but S Xavier Watts in the 3rd would’ve been a great pick. Even the Saints S Jonas Sanker who was everywhere on the field against us would’ve been great. Next offseason S and LB are the areas of focus and also possibly OL with up to 3 starters leaving in 2 years.

[North Buffalo]

Gotta wonder are some D-line like hockey defensemen... some take til they are 24-25 til they really get it.  Hard to tell... almost wish the NFL had minor league where teams could keep draft picks that are not on active roster... but could play games to keep developing... 

[Paup 1995MVP]

22 hours ago, ngbills said:

No complaints just facts. Bad luck if anything. Regardless, the truth is still the truth - 69 of the first 72 players drafted have all seen the field. 2 of the 3 that haven't are Bills

That is quite a statistic.  Who is the 3rd player?  

 

Lets hope Hairston gets well soon.  And is a big contributor after the bye week.  It is frustrating about Jackson, and Sanders.  Both of these guys look very raw.  I watched neither of them in college.  But if we are picking them in the top 72 picks as you say, shouldn't they at least be good enough coming out of college to at least hold their own in an NFL regular season game.  Not necessarily expecting Jared Verse.  But its still football.  And these guys are both big dudes.  (Jackson and Sanders)  So shouldn't some of what got them drafted high up, translate to the NFL game to some degree?  Or does Beane and his scouts really have no clue how to evaluate defensive lineman?  Because Rousseau and Epenesa while not sucking are definitely not dominant players.  And Oliver has been good but certainly not close to very good on a consistent basis.  Basham was meh, and Salomon hasn't made much of an impact either.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

 That is quite a statistic.  Who is the 3rd player?  

 

Lets hope Hairston gets well soon.  And is a big contributor after the bye week.  It is frustrating about Jackson, and Sanders.  Both of these guys look very raw.  I watched neither of them in college.  But if we are picking them in the top 72 picks as you say, shouldn't they at least be good enough coming out of college to at least hold their own in an NFL regular season game.  Not necessarily expecting Jared Verse.  But its still football.  And these guys are both big dudes.  (Jackson and Sanders)  So shouldn't some of what got them drafted high up, translate to the NFL game to some degree?  Or does Beane and his scouts really have no clue how to evaluate defensive lineman?  Because Rousseau and Epenesa while not sucking are definitely not dominant players.  And Oliver has been good but certainly not close to very good on a consistent basis.  Basham was meh, and Salomon hasn't made much of an impact either.

 

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Why'd you cut it off at 72?  Seems like a strange number... almost as though picks 75, 76, 80, 82, 88, 89, 91, 98, and 99 also haven't played in the 3rd round.  

 

It also appears to be deliberately misleading, so there is that….

 

It seems that it came right around the tipping point, but let’s not paint the whole picture when we can prop up a narrative instead.  

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yeah - just calling out how a true data point can be construed a certain way.  

 

I wonder what they're wanting out of him tbh.  Is it mental mistakes?  Is it strength or hand usage?  Is he too heavy and slow?  

You know, I dont know... I know he was out injured early on and McD hates that... I saw him in a few preseason games he was relatively a non factor...  I think it boils down too the others are playing better than him and he is a rookie... but I really dont know it could be a lot of things... ...  

Edited 23 hours ago by JP51

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

That is quite a statistic.  Who is the 3rd player?  

 

Another injury - Walter Nolen in AZ. So Jackson is the only healthy scratch of the top 72. 

3 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Why'd you cut it off at 72?  Seems like a strange number... almost as though picks 75, 76, 80, 82, 88, 89, 91, 98, and 99 also haven't played in the 3rd round.  

Because that is when Jackson was drafted. 72nd. 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

 

It also appears to be deliberately misleading, so there is that….

 

 

It is not a random number. It is literally when he was drafted and that's all it is. Yes, you can dig deeper but that was not an attempt to dig deeper but just point it out. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

It is not a random number. It is literally when he was drafted and that's all it is. Yes, you can dig deeper but that was not an attempt to dig deeper but just point it out. 

 

It clearly appears to have been a turning point in the draft, since about half of the next 15 or so players are in the same boat. I bet some of them were on inferior rosters, as well. I think a true and fair picture of the situation would include those facts, as well.