Big Turk Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) Bills have averaged 29.3 points per game from 2020-2025. Assuming they stay around the same or slightly higher, the Bills will have the 2nd or 3rd highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL over any 6 year period. The 2008-2013 Patriot teams that averaged 30.6 points per game are first, followed by the 2009-2014 Saints teams under Brees that averaged 30 PPG. Better than the Greatest Show on Turf Rams, The Manning Colts or Broncos, the Chief led MahomeBoys, the Kelly era Bills, the Marino era Fins, the Run-N-Shoot Oilers . It would be a tragedy of epic proportions if Allen keeps being failed by the coaching, defense and special teams in the playoffs. The historic greatness of what we are witnessing every day might not be appreciated right now while we are in the middle of it, but this team will go down as one of the greatest offensive teams in the history of the NFL over a multi-season time frame. Appreciate it. Stop worrying about "we aren't doing this enough, or that enough". What we are witnessing has only been seen a few other times in the history of the NFL. Edited September 23 by Big Turk 3 1 7 3 Quote
RyanC883 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 I'm convinced Allen is the best QB ever, period. No one has had his combination of running, passing skills combined with the lack of a blue-chip WR. It's unreal. If the D gets its act together we could win 2-3 SBs in the Allen era. 3 5 1 Quote
zow2 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 It's all wonderful but they gotta win a SB to be remembered as all-time greats. They have to AT LEAST get to a Super Bowl. 3 1 4 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 23 Author Posted September 23 11 minutes ago, zow2 said: It's all wonderful but they gotta win a SB to be remembered as all-time greats. They have to AT LEAST get to a Super Bowl. Considering Allen is already historically great in the playoffs, they would not. As a team, sure. As an offense, no. Quote
Doc Brown Posted September 23 Posted September 23 The offense is great. My only worry continues to be not having that guy on WR in the playoffs where you can count on to get open and make plays in crunch time when it matters most. 1 2 Quote
Gregg Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I'm convinced Allen is the best QB ever, period. No one has had his combination of running, passing skills combined with the lack of a blue-chip WR. It's unreal. If the D gets its act together we could win 2-3 SBs in the Allen era. Allen is probably the best athlete to play the QB position, but Brady is still #1 with his 7 Super Bowl wins. Then you have Montana and Mahomes and others who have won multiple times. He needs multiple Super Bowl wins to be in the conversation as the greatest QB. Fair or not this is how the media and fans outside WNY will judge it. Edited September 23 by Gregg 2 4 Quote
zow2 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The offense is great. My only worry continues to be not having that guy on WR in the playoffs where you can count on to get open and make plays in crunch time when it matters most. I hear you. Right now it feels like Keon and Joshua Palmer are unserious wide receivers. Can they make a great play now and then? of course. But they really need to step up their games over the course of this season. 1 1 2 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 I'm optimistic about this season. But this seems way over the top. I'm not trying to be negative. But there needs to be some middle ground here. 1 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gregg said: Allen is probably the best athlete to play the QB position, but Brady is still #1 with his 7 Super Bowl wins. Then you have Montana and Mahomes and others who have won multiple times. He needs multiple Super Bowl wins to be in the conversation as the greatest QB. Fair or not that is how the media and fans outside WNY will judge it. This. I also think physical talent is used way too much in top 5 debates. Aaron Rodgers looked great throwing 60 yards off his backfoot in October against Detroit. Tom Brady looked even better shredding a top five defense of all time in the 4th quarter of the 2014 SB. Or, coming back down 25 against Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I'm a Bills fan. And Allen has more natural talent than a Tom Brady or Montana. But he certainly isn’t a better QB than either. And even he would say that. Edited September 23 by Billsfanatic8989 1 2 1 Quote
RyanC883 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 21 hours ago, Gregg said: Allen is probably the best athlete to play the QB position, but Brady is still #1 with his 7 Super Bowl wins. Then you have Montana and Mahomes and others who have won multiple times. He needs multiple Super Bowl wins to be in the conversation as the greatest QB. Fair or not this is how the media and fans outside WNY will judge it. I totally agree he won't be vieed that way outside of Bills fans without rings. But he's still the best to ever play, IMO. Allen on those NE teams, or the KC teams, etc and he has the rings. Allen's combo of athletic ability, intelligence and accurracy is untouchable. 2 Quote
Einstein Posted September 24 Posted September 24 22 hours ago, RyanC883 said: I'm convinced Allen is the best QB ever, period. Im about there too. I have long told Chiefs fans that Allen has every ring Mahomes has if he was on the Chiefs. 1 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Einstein said: Im about there too. I have long told Chiefs fans that Allen has every ring Mahomes has if he was on the Chiefs. Plus then some most likely. And most of the wins wouldn't have been nail biters either. Edited September 24 by Big Turk 2 Quote
NewEra Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 22 hours ago, Gregg said: Allen is probably the best athlete to play the QB position, but Brady is still #1 with his 7 Super Bowl wins. Then you have Montana and Mahomes and others who have won multiple times. He needs multiple Super Bowl wins to be in the conversation as the greatest QB. Fair or not this is how the media and fans outside WNY will judge it. According to accomplishments- I agree with you. According to the eye, Allen is the best. Put Allen on Brady or Mahomes’ teams and they win similar sbs if not more. winning Super Bowls is a team accomplishment but the QB is judged on winning championships more than any position in sports. He has none, so he can’t be considered the best in most circles- but if you were starting a team of any QB in history, I’d bet plenty of non Bills fans that know the game would choose Josh 1st. He’d be my unquestioned 1st choice. Steve Young would probably be my second choice followed by Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady. Marino most likely next and ahead of many QBs with SBs Edited September 24 by NewEra 3 Quote
GoBills808 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Im about there too. I have long told Chiefs fans that Allen has every ring Mahomes has if he was on the Chiefs. he'd have more 1 Quote
zow2 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, NewEra said: According to accomplishments- I agree with you. According to the eye, Allen is the best. Put Allen on Brady or Mahomes’ teams and they win similar sbs if not more. winning Super Bowls is a team accomplishment but the QB is judged on winning championships more than any position in sports. He has none, so he can’t be considered the best in most circles- but if you were starting a team of any QB in history, I’d bet plenty of non Bills fans that know the game would choose Josh 1st. He’d be my unquestioned 1st choice. Steve Young would probably be my second choice followed by Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady. Marino most likely next and ahead of many QBs with SBs It is definitely a team accomplishment. I always use the example of the City of Pittsburgh vs City of Buffalo. In their two exceptional era (1970's and 2000's) the Steelers won 6 Super Bowls with Terry Bradshaw and Ben Roethlisberger. In the Bills two amazing era's of 1990's and 2020's we have the big ZERO. But who would you rather have as your QBs, Jim Kelly and Josh Allen? or Bradshaw and BigBen. I mean let's be honest, it's not even close. They had great defense and great coaching that didn't choke games away. It's the ultimate team sport. 2 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted September 24 Posted September 24 23 hours ago, Gregg said: Allen is probably the best athlete to play the QB position, but Brady is still #1 with his 7 Super Bowl wins. Then you have Montana and Mahomes and others who have won multiple times. He needs multiple Super Bowl wins to be in the conversation as the greatest QB. Fair or not this is how the media and fans outside WNY will judge it. I think what we can say about Josh is he is responsible for more offense than anybody else to ever play the game. Guys have been more accomplished, more efficient, but nobody has ever created more offense than Josh. With that, no matter how much you like Joe Brady, I would never sign him to be my HC. Same with Daboll or anybody else associated with Allen. Josh makes it very difficult to determine how players and coaches would perform outside of him. 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 18 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I think what we can say about Josh is he is responsible for more offense than anybody else to ever play the game. Guys have been more accomplished, more efficient, but nobody has ever created more offense than Josh. With that, no matter how much you like Joe Brady, I would never sign him to be my HC. Same with Daboll or anybody else associated with Allen. Josh makes it very difficult to determine how players and coaches would perform outside of him. this x10 most other top QBs have independent talent that can still perform at HoF/AllPro levels (Andy Reid/Greg Roman, Kelce/Hill/Henry etc) outside their system. Allen? Daboll's a laughingstock and Dorsey's out of the league, Davis/McKenzie type guys borderline un-rosterable...other guys HAVE systems. Allen IS the system 1 Quote
Andrew Son Posted September 24 Posted September 24 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: this x10 most other top QBs have independent talent that can still perform at HoF/AllPro levels (Andy Reid/Greg Roman, Kelce/Hill/Henry etc) outside their system. Allen? Daboll's a laughingstock and Dorsey's out of the league, Davis/McKenzie type guys borderline un-rosterable...other guys HAVE systems. Allen IS the system I would agree with this point before Brady. Now the offense looks a lot different than the prior 1 man show. Quote
GoBills808 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, Andrew Son said: I would agree with this point before Brady. Now the offense looks a lot different than the prior 1 man show. nah Brady is another Allen creation quickly out the league once he leaves same as Daboll 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: nah Brady is another Allen creation quickly out the league once he leaves same as Daboll I didn’t know Daboll was out of the league. Who is the Giants HC right now? Quote
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