Jaxson Dart to start for Giants

[Buffalo Ballin]

Daboll is done in NY. Their season is over. Rookie QB isn't going to save his job. This is a development season at this point.

 

Getting rid of Daniel Jones AND Saquon Barkley. Man, he's done in the NFL.

[US Egg]

8 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

What are you basing this on? 

Good question. Dart was on a Yankees broadcast and was affable, polite.

[GaryPinC]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

There were a lot of habits Josh had, and a number of habits he apparently didn't have, when Daboll was here. 

We'll see what happens with Daniel Jones in Indy, but from early returns one does kinda got to wonder if you have a point and Josh developed to some extent, "in spite of", instead of "because of"

Yeah, you also think about how McD and Daboll butted heads over the offense and how Josh only really began to become a complete quarterback at the end of and after Daboll's tenure.  I hope one day a reporter does a piece on how Josh was developed.   

[Ayjent]

16 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This was all so predictable before the season - and then heading into last week's game, we just knew Wilson would have a meltdown against the Spags defense.  I really think Daboll is toast if they don't see immediate progress from the offense.  

It's amazing he still has the job after the last couple of years.  I think we can all see where this is going - a couple of games grace with some promising moments from the young QB, followed by regressing as the season wears on, the team becomes more about the paychecks than the Ws, and opposing D coordinators have tape on Dart.  Likely a 3-14 to 4-13 season staring them in the face and Daboll fired either towards the end or right after the season ends.  Daboll isn't going to last - the fumes of the playoff run are just about gone.  

 

Seeing Jones resurrect his career (after they outright cut him last year) and Barkley a big piece in Philly's SB run, Schoen probably should be right there on the curb with Daboll.  I think there are larger issues than those two guys but they've done enough on their own to get themselves canned.

[Ayjent]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Yeah, you also think about how McD and Daboll butted heads over the offense and how Josh only really began to become a complete quarterback at the end of and after Daboll's tenure.  I hope one day a reporter does a piece on how Josh was developed.   

Looking at Daboll's body of work - Buffalo seems to be an anomaly more than anything.  He got OC gigs because of his time with New England's staff.  He was downright awful in other places (outside of NE) before Buffalo, and besides one magical run in his first year with the Giants, he's been just as awful.  Josh is probably going to make a lot of guys look good at their jobs, but don't forget Daboll's beautiful playcalling with designed shotgun QB sweeps on 3rd and 7 or two route short-side roll out pass plays on 3rd and short.  Josh succeeded in spite of Daboll more than we all might have realized.  So Daboll looked good with Brady and Allen, hmmm....

Edited September 24 by Ayjent

[JP51]

16 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

That was the Nathan Peterman debacle. As noted by others, Allen started week 2. Moving from a vet/bridge QB to a highly drafted rookie always seems to be almost solely dependent on how the vet/bridge plays. Sometimes you get Alex Smith, sometimes you get a cooked Russel Wilson or a trash Peterman.

I wonder how long Flacco lasts as starter in Cleveland? He’s looking pretty washed. Still, in the last game he was getting a lot of players set properly on that offense. Not sure Dillon Gabriel is there yet with that aspect of playing QB. 

Yeah its all coming back to me now...  cause tbh I remember being pssed that we went into the season with NP as our QB.. like are you serious... and upset they threw Allen in right away thinking we would ruin him... clearly I was an oracle in predicting that future LOL 

[RunTheBall]

I’m curious if Schoen gets canned after Daboll inevitably does. I can see Schoen back in Buffalo, zero chance Dabs ends up back here.

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Yeah its all coming back to me now...  cause tbh I remember being pssed that we went into the season with NP as our QB.. like are you serious... and upset they threw Allen in right away thinking we would ruin him... clearly I was an oracle in predicting that future LOL 

 

That was a dreadful OL they put Allen behind. I was worried he’d get injured or otherwise ruined because of it. So I was pretty much in the same boat as you. Still, I think we got lucky that didn’t happen. 

[JP51]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

That was a dreadful OL they put Allen behind. I was worried he’d get injured or otherwise ruined because of it. So I was pretty much in the same boat as you. Still, I think we got lucky that didn’t happen. 

That was my primary issue... they were gonna get him killed and he would go to the locker room like Denis the goalie from slapshot kicking and screaming with some form of pass rush PTSD lol 

[nuklz2594]

18 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

More like two quarters.  The opening game, the Ravens were shellacking the Bills with Peterman's 0.0 QB rating.  Allen came in and never relinquished the starting job.   

 

 

 

Peterman might be the worst QB ever to start a Bills game. And that is saying a lot. 

 

Billy joe hobert was the worst

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m curious if Schoen gets canned after Daboll inevitably does. I can see Schoen back in Buffalo, zero chance Dabs ends up back here.

 

I think that both will be canned at the same time.

 

I agree that Schoen will be Brian Gaine II but that Daboll will not return to the Bills.

 

[JP51]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m curious if Schoen gets canned after Daboll inevitably does. I can see Schoen back in Buffalo, zero chance Dabs ends up back here.

I kinda wonder...  I think Schoen and Dabs are linked, I think if the Giants do this they are both gone...now could see them keeping Schoen for the season and firing Dabs mid way....  I do think there is a big chance Schoen comes back to BLo... but honestly, I am not sure I rule out Daboll if Brady takes a head coaching job...  if Brady goes and Daboll is still around to be hired... I dont know that he doesnt swallow some pride to put him in what would be an excellent situation with this team and Josh... I am not saying it happens... I am thinking stranger reunions have happened...  Townson/Daltry (like 8 times) Martin/Steinbrenner (like 3 times) Sabres/Ruff, Nolan/Sabres. Buckingham/Nicks... Ono/Mcartney.... oh wait... LOL I digress...  

Edited September 24 by JP51

[RunTheBall]

Why would anyone want Daboll back? His overall offensive pedigree sucks. Yeah, he was instrumental in helping Josh in his early development but Josh outgrew him. He had a young Daniel Jones who looked like ass and now is playing like a top 10 qb without Daboll. That’s a strong condemnation of Daboll offensive prowess. IDK why everyone keeps floating this idea. This is besides the fact that even though McD puts on a professional front with him, it was clear as day he had some seriously strong negative feelings about Dabol. No way McD brings that back in the building.

 

Same thing with this Mike McDaniels idea. Why would we want to bring a guy in who has shown he can’t adjust his offense that defenses caught up to a year and a half ago? Yeah he had a great offense tailored to Tua for a year, then it got figured out and it has sucked since. Maybe he’s hampered by Tua’s limitation and a crap offensive line but it doesn’t take a genius playcaller to run the ball more.

 

[Jerome007]

Wilson throwing the ball away on a 4TH AND GOAL while needing that score screamed "I don't care anymore" and deserved a benching.

 

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[dcinmuncie]

1 hour ago, nuklz2594 said:

Billy joe hobert was the worst

this is the only correct answer.

 

guy admitted he didn't study the playbook? or something like that if i recall correctly

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Why would anyone want Daboll back? His overall offensive pedigree sucks. Yeah, he was instrumental in helping Josh in his early development but Josh outgrew him. He had a young Daniel Jones who looked like ass and now is playing like a top 10 qb without Daboll. That’s a strong condemnation of Daboll offensive prowess. IDK why everyone keeps floating this idea. This is besides the fact that even though McD puts on a professional front with him, it was clear as day he had some seriously strong negative feelings about Dabol. No way McD brings that back in the building.

 

Same thing with this Mike McDaniels idea. Why would we want to bring a guy in who has shown he can’t adjust his offense that defenses caught up to a year and a half ago? Yeah he had a great offense tailored to Tua for a year, then it got figured out and it has sucked since. Maybe he’s hampered by Tua’s limitation and a crap offensive line but it doesn’t take a genius playcaller to run the ball more.

 

 

Good chance the Bills will need to hire a new OC next year especially if they win the Super Bowl. The Bills offense has put up 102 points in three games. If they continue to get good offensive production and they probably will then you know Brady is going to get his share of opportunities to interview for HC positions in the NFL and college.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m curious if Schoen gets canned after Daboll inevitably does. I can see Schoen back in Buffalo, zero chance Dabs ends up back here.

Dabs will go to New England to be an assistant TE coach. 

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, Ayjent said:

It's amazing he still has the job after the last couple of years. 

Giants' ownership traditionally has been like the Steelers' ownership. Both stress continuity. They stick with their GMs and their coaches to allow them to build the team in their image, allow it all to come together. 

 

I never was thrilled with Daboll, and I agree others who have said that his body of work really isn't that impressive. He's bounced around a lot. I also never was a Daniel Jones fan, but at least we could see that he was solid and stable. The fact that Daboll allowed both Jones and Barkley to leave, without any good idea of where they were going, really is the killer for Daboll. Ownership may believe in continuity, but after several years there has to be some evidence that they're building toward success. 

 

One basic sign is when the new coach comes in and there's almost immediate improvement. McDermott did it; DeMarco Ryans did it. Others have, too. Daboll came in and nothing much seemed to change. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

22 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Russell Wilson has probably started his last game.

And the record: 120-80-1

 

His top PFR comps are Cam Newton (wasn't expecting that!), Joe Montana, Ken Anderson, Stafford, Steve Young.

 

I do think he is a HOFer just because he (and his team) was really that dominant at his peak.

50k passing 64.4 % 353/113 TD - INT  5500 Rush yards 39 TDs 

 

1x SB winner, 10x pro bowler 

Most wins by a QB through 9 seasons 

1 of only 5 QBs with a career 99 passer rating 

 

If he doesn’t make it then that is directly on Pete Carroll for the dumbest call in sports history. Also cementing Brady’s SB record as even more unattainable. 

[Shaw66]

23 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Whoa!  Wilson to Cinci is a good idea.  Cinci desperately needs someone, because they don't want to waste a season. 

Everyone laughed at this comment, but it seems to me it's pretty simple:

 

First, if you need someone to do a job, it's best to find someone who's already done the job. Jake Browning is an undrafted free agent QB who's barely been able to get off the practice squad. Russell Wilson has won a Super Bowl. 

 

Second, I've been amazed, like everyone else, at Wilson's decline, and I don't think he's anyone's quarterback of the future. However, I didn't think Joe Flacco could play in the NFL any longer, either, but he's shown that his experience alone is enough to enable him to make good decisions for his team. 

 

Third, remarkably the Giants have been unable to put any talent around their quarterback - in fact, they let a quarterback and a running back go.  Wilson is struggling back there in part because he isn't what he was and in part because he has no help. In Cinci he'd have some real talent and a well-conceived offense to direct - he'd have to do less than the Giants need him to do. 

 

If I'm the Bengals, I know at least this: You can't win without a QB. If your QB goes down for a couple games, you struggle through with your backup. But if you have a quality QB with a quality team around him, and the QB goes down for three months, it's a wasted season unless you find someone who can do the job. Going forward with an inexperienced guy who never has projected to be an NFL success and who has no experience on the field is not a formula for 2025 success. Bengals have to do something.