Guelli says Bills “would absolutely consider” playing games in Canada again

[Mat68]

Buffalo is trying to protect that market.  With Allen imo the games would come off closer to home games much more than any other international option.  Going to Toronto with Vince Carter and Tracy Mcgrady vs England or Spain is a no brainer.  International games are here to stay.

Edited September 18 by Mat68

[WNYFAN1]

Does Terry need the cash to purchase another yacht?

[HIT BY SPIKES]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah well they had a test ran and failed supremely.

 

That was NOT a test run.

 

Toronto does NOT want the Bills.

 

They want their own team.

 

If you need to believe that was truly a "test run", have at it.

 

It was an opportunity to see another team play in their temporary facility.

 

I was there.

 

it was crap.

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

That was NOT a test run.

 

Toronto does NOT want the Bills.

 

They want their own team.

 

If you need to believe that was truly a "test run", have at it.

 

It was an opportunity to see another team play in their temporary facility.

 

I was there.

 

it was crap.

 

Always seemed like a dead vibe on the broadcast...something to do with fan distance from the field AND a contingency of disinterested attendees or neutral fans in random NFL jerseys. Is that accurate? 

[ALLinALLEN]

If it counts/replaces an international game we play once every few years, sure - but if they make it a 1x a year thing for 5 years or whatever, we riot

[HIT BY SPIKES]

16 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Always seemed like a dead vibe on the broadcast...something to do with fan distance from the field AND a contingency of disinterested attendees or neutral fans in random NFL jerseys. Is that accurate? 

 

Very much so

[HaldimandBills]

On 9/14/2025 at 7:11 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Please don't.  

The money from TV is more than enough to make a profit in Buffalo. 

The Toronto atmosphere was terrible. Even playing the 9th home game every other year in Toronto would be awful. I'd honestly rather it be in Europe than in Toronto.

Very bad take. No Bills fan should want Buffalo's international games played anywhere other than Toronto for travel sake alone. Ideally there is just no longer anymore international games. 

[HaldimandBills]

On 9/14/2025 at 8:35 PM, SirAndrew said:

Would Toronto support an NFL team? They only show up for other non hockey sports when the team is a winner. Also, population isn’t everything. It’s almost like people forget that a HUGE part of Toronto’s population is first and second generation immigrants, many people who likely have yet to develop any appreciation for American football. 

Really awful take. Gold Horseshoe (East side of Toronto to Niagara Region is a population of almost 10 million of which 7 million are white Canadians.

 

Furthermore it's trendy and cool to love the NBA first and foremost for most recent immigrants followed by the NFL. It's hockey and baseball they're struggling to show interest in. 

 

Raptors, Jays, TFC all do very well attendance wise regardles if the team is competitive or not. Only the Argonauts attendance sucks. Very poor take. 

[machine gun kelly]

In hell before Pegula makes that mistake.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

5 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

Really awful take. Gold Horseshoe (East side of Toronto to Niagara Region is a population of almost 10 million of which 7 million are white Canadians.

 

Furthermore it's trendy and cool to love the NBA first and foremost for most recent immigrants followed by the NFL. It's hockey and baseball they're struggling to show interest in. 

 

Raptors, Jays, TFC all do very well attendance wise regardles if the team is competitive or not. Only the Argonauts attendance sucks. Very poor take. 

 

Willful ignorance.

 

Seems to be very common these days.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

17 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Does Terry need the cash to purchase another yacht?

 

That is SUPER MEGA YACHT sir!!!

[uticaclub]

45 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

Very bad take. No Bills fan should want Buffalo's international games played anywhere other than Toronto for travel sake alone. Ideally there is just no longer anymore international games. 

Disagree, international games are fun. I’d rather travel to Madrid and have a great new experience than go to Toronto for a weekend.

[SirAndrew]

46 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

Really awful take. Gold Horseshoe (East side of Toronto to Niagara Region is a population of almost 10 million of which 7 million are white Canadians.

 

Furthermore it's trendy and cool to love the NBA first and foremost for most recent immigrants followed by the NFL. It's hockey and baseball they're struggling to show interest in. 

 

Raptors, Jays, TFC all do very well attendance wise regardles if the team is competitive or not. Only the Argonauts attendance sucks. Very poor take. 

Has something changed since the Bills last Toronto series? I only ask and make these assumptions because the Toronto series didn’t have great attendance. The other international series games don’t seem to have this issue. 

[Dillenger4]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

In hell before Pegula makes that mistake.

Well he just signed a deal with MLSE a few weeks ago. Vince Carter was in Toronto pushing this Bills/MLSE thing hard! All over the news in Canada. It doesn't mean they will play in Toronto - but it surely is a step towards "something" happening with Bills in Toronto.

The stadium where the Argos play is undergoing a massive upgrade for the world cup. I can see the Bills playing there in the next few years.

4 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Has something changed since the Bills last Toronto series? I only ask and make these assumptions because the Toronto series didn’t have great attendance. The other international series games don’t seem to have this issue. 

Weird take again. It was sold out dude....

I said it the day they announced it. Vince Carter and McGrady were the WORST thing for The Bills ever. Just sit back and watch.

All about the corporate $$$ with him and Pegs daughter. You'll see.

[TheFunPolice]

the Toronto people are inside now as part owners. IMO it was some cash but also a way to market the team up there. Toronto sports stars as owners helps a lot. 

 

So does Allen. Let's not forget that we have America's QB. This is an entirely different product than the drought teams epic march to 8-8. 

 

The Bills are the person who lost 50 pounds, quit drinking, started eating lean and hit the gym for a couple years. Now everyone wants to see them. That makes it more dangerous long term. With the amount of money involved nothing is off the table. Any "poison pill" to break a lease in a decade or so is just cash that will be made up later. 

 

And honestly, the amounts of money in taxes are so enormous that passing the team to kids is almost impossible now. Kids would have to be independently billionaires to afford the estate taxes. 

We should just enjoy this era of Buffalo Bills football. 

 

In the words of Mr. Wilson, "enjoy the team, fellas" 

[HaldimandBills]

9 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Has something changed since the Bills last Toronto series? I only ask and make these assumptions because the Toronto series didn’t have great attendance. The other international series games don’t seem to have this issue. 

No idea but you went off about Toronto and how they only support the Maple Leafs. Toronto has an excellent track record of supporting all its sports franchises except for the Argonauts. 

 

People also forget the fools running that series were asking for $ 400 a ticket to watch Trent Edwards and JP Losman back in 2010 which is crazy money even today.

 

Toronto fans are much more NFL educated than any market outside the USA. They knew that entire Bills series was a scam and that the legit NFL Buffalo experience was a short drive down the highway. London, Mexico City, Berlin, Brazil, etc are not close to being as NFL educated as Toronto and are also not within a 6 hour drive from Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.

 

Any NFL fan in Toronto has been to an NFL game live and doesn't need Toronto to host a game to get their NFL fix. Those other cities need to attend the NFL when it comes to their city.

 

TSN and Sportsnet did a poll of sporting interest and the NFL as whole only finished behind the Leafs in Southern Ontario. Ahead of the Jays and Raptors. NFL is huge in Toronto. You'll find fans of every team up here. Bills leading the way followed by the Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, and Niners.

9 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Disagree, international games are fun. I’d rather travel to Madrid and have a great new experience than go to Toronto for a weekend.

You would. The Bills players and the vast majority of fans would not. You could go to Madrid without the Bills having to play there like 99.99% of the population if you really wanted to see Madrid. 

 

The Toronto hatred is incredibly strong for some in here...

Edited September 16 by HaldimandBills

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

No idea but you went off about Toronto and how it supports all their professional sports. Toronto has an excellent track record of supporting all its sports franchises except for the Argonauts. 

 

People also forget the fools running that series were asking for $ 400 a ticket back in 2010 which is crazy money even today. 

You would. The Bills players and the vast majority of fans would not. You could go to Madrid without the Bills having to play there like 99.99% of the population if you really wanted to see Madrid. 

 

The Toronto hatred is incredibly strong for some in here...

 

The hatred is more hockey related as one of the Sabres biggest rivals is the Maple Leafs. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

16 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Always seemed like a dead vibe on the broadcast...something to do with fan distance from the field AND a contingency of disinterested attendees or neutral fans in random NFL jerseys. Is that accurate? 

Look.

 

As a Toronto & Toronto Area NFL fan since 1963 and an ex Bills Season Tix holder starting in 1981, Toronto wants its OWN franchise! They would sell out an NFL Stadium forever, as there is a quantum increased degree of money there v.s. WNY!
 

There is certainly a million- 1.5M NFL fans in the GTA, but they aren’t all Bills fans! 

 

And the POS trash product from OBD for those games, was the same POS trash product that played in Orchard Park… for the lost years of this Millennium.

 

Having the 2025 franchise visit is an entirely different question. Still, a number of Ontario laws, particularly around tailgating would need to change. 
 

in the end, they should have got a franchise decades ago and the rivalry would be intense.
 

 

[HaldimandBills]

6 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Look.

 

As a Toronto & Toronto Area NFL fan since 1963 and an ex Bills Season Tix holder starting in 1981, Toronto wants its OWN franchise! They would sell out an NFL Stadium forever, as there is a quantum increased degree of money there v.s. WNY!
 

There is certainly a million- 1.5M NFL fans in the GTA, but they aren’t all Bills fans! 

 

And the POS trash product from OBD for those games, was the same POS trash product that played in Orchard Park… for the lost years of this Millennium.

 

Having the 2025 franchise visit is an entirely different question. Still, a number of Ontario laws, particularly around tailgating would need to change. 
 

in the end, they should have got a franchise decades ago and the rivalry would be intense.
 

 

Would Toronto want in on the NFL action? 

 

Of course.

 

Does the NFL want Toronto? Not really. They have the market through Buffalo and would rather those Toronto corporate dollars come to Highmark Stadium on game day. You'd have to have really deep pockets to make it worth it for the NFL. 

 

In short the NFL is never coming to Toronto unless some massive NFL fanatic Canadian with 10 billion to spare decides they want one. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Well….there is always Hamilton.