boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, Logic said: The cope on THE LEFT is insane? When mounting evidence seems to indicate that he was part of an extremist far RIGHT movement? Sure, Jan. so, if you're wrong... what? does it matter? if they're wrong....what? does it matter? this was a fringe political group attacking the conservative party. something that has been done time and time again in recent history. only twice was it a democratic victim - Giffords, and then in Minnesota recently. and then one time some incel shot a church up in charleston. the conservatives had their churches shot up, their schools, their politicians playing baseball, their president speaking, one of their main media personalities... it's going to be hard to convince anyone that conservatives are not actually under attack.
SCBills Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Posting this before one of our resident libs tries to tell us Robinson donated to Trump (or has that already happened?)
ChiGoose Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: He’s apparently a lone wolf. Why do you think that?
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Let's grant you your insane conclusion that this was a guy driven to do this by right wing ideology. That doesn't change the fact that the celebratory glee at cold blooded murder is exclusively coming from the left. Or do you want to twist yourself into another pretzel on that too? Sure. The right would never make light of political violence. 1 1 1
joshypoo Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Lost said: Some awful people in this world. My god the comedy is getting good in here now, keep me coming.
SectionC3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Logic said: It matters only insofar as there are a ton of republican politicians pinning this on the radical left, including our president. If we all agree that "it's gotta stop", and the "it" in question is political violence, then the president going on TV and blaming "the radical left" for Kirk's shooting BEFORE ANYONE WAS EVEN APPREHENDED" doesn't seem like the best move, does it? It doesn't scream "de-escalation and lowering tensions", does it? So I agree that a sick person is a sick person regardless of his political or ideological affiliation. But if repbulicans are gonna go on TV and make frothy-mouthed claims about the evil left, then well...yes, it does seem to be important to ascertain whether that's even true. I won’t argue with you. I too would like to know where we stand on yesterday’s calls to round up Democrats. I wonder if we’ll hear calls to round up gamers, or Mormons, or gun. culturalists knowing what we know now. Probably not. Not that we should. Point is that all of those frothy people, as you noted, need to chill. 1
Max Fischer Posted September 12 Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Regardless of all the bickering about what side of the political aisle the guy was on, one thing is certain, he was not on Charlie Kirk’s side…And Kirk was a leader in the conservative movement. So make of that what you will… Conservatives may disagree on a few things, but their core values are the same- and it does not include silencing free speech, which is the bedrock of our democracy… So, if you are against that, you are anti conservative/foundational values. The backbone of the right wing movement is to silence opposition. They are ALREADY silencing, academics, tv shows, news and anyone who holds a green card. The gaslighting is incredibly Kafkaesque. Just today Texas A&M fired a number of professors and staff because a student objected to talk about gender. The student said that Trump ordered what speech is no longer permitted. Yesterday, the State Department said they will deport anyone who talks ill of Charlie Kirk. Paramount/CBS is on mission to silence anyone who is critical of Trump. The Right is only for speech they like. After years of accusing the Democrats of curbing free speech, it was all a confession of their primary goal. Putin and China must be shaking with glee as Trump and al destroy the foundations you claim to protect. 1 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Logic said: Sure. The right would never make light of political violence. I didn't say deflection. Can you at least try to twist a little take as to why the left is exclusively gleeful at cold blooded murder?
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Posted September 12 10 minutes ago, Logic said: This is like the difference between using anti-abortion or pro-choice. Groypers have far left radical views. They could also be categorized as far left radical because of those views. Kirk shared very similar views as them.
SectionC3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Why do you think that? Nothing else about a continuing investigation. No APBs for coconspirators. No apparent assistance leaving or targeting. Not to say he couldn’t have had help, but appears to have acted alone at this point.
Brandon Posted September 12 Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: The cope on the left is insane. Honestly headache inducing reading these posts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. He was a radicalized, weirdo gamer who clearly had turned towards some leftist viewpoints as evidenced by gamer/furry writings, alongside regurgitating antifascist commentary and his family stating he had recently said that Charlie Kirk is full of hate. Even Hasan Piker of all people posted that this looks to be of a confused/leftist shooter, not fitting far right shooter archetypes. Yet the large leftist propaganda accounts are straight up lying about him being a registered Republican (yes, that’s a provable lie) and going Blue Anon to “well ackshually” his gamer infatuation = Nick Fuentes and a-ha! Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk didn’t like each other so he was obviously too far right and didn’t think Kirk was far right enough? Ok…. Got it. That seems the most likely to me, but I also think we're at that stage where people will see what they want to see. The truth will be known soon enough as they go through his phone, computer and social media activity, as well as if there are any statements publicly by those who actually know him. The asswipe in question is in custody, though, and I would assume he'll start talking sooner or later, anyway. 1
JaCrispy Posted September 12 Posted September 12 10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: It’s hard to rationalize that with Clay Higgins today and trying to revoke visas for peaceful protestors, A visa is a privilege to be in the country, not a right.
joshypoo Posted September 12 Posted September 12 (edited) For a minute there we almost had the chance of a trans person being an A+ marksman…nah, just a sad little straight white boy. I figured trans people becoming big into guns would be celebrated here? Might distract the big bad trans from sports training and allow your daughters to stop getting teeth kicked in on the sports field by them. Edited September 12 by joshypoo
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Max Fischer said: The backbone of the right wing movement is to silence opposition. They are ALREADY silencing, academics, tv shows, news and anyone who holds a green card. The gaslighting is incredibly Kafkaesque. Just today Texas A&M fired a number of professors and staff because a student objected to talk about gender. The student said that Trump ordered what speech is no longer permitted. Yesterday, the State Department said they will deport anyone who talks ill of Charlie Kirk. Paramount/CBS is on mission to silence anyone who is critical of Trump. The Right is only for speech they like. After years of accusing the Democrats of curbing free speech, it was all a confession of their primary goal. Putin and China must be shaking with glee as Trump and al destroy the foundations you claim to protect. They killed the man who espoused free speech and open debate are you serious
SectionC3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, Big Blitz said: They killed the man who espoused free speech and open debate are you serious Who is they? Just now, JaCrispy said: A visa is a privilege to be in the country, not a right. And the constitution applies to people. 1
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, SectionC3 said: Who is they? Anita Tyler and apparently accomplices
Andy1 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 (edited) 43 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Crazy is as crazy do. It’s virtually always this way. Right wing…left wing…irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things. Most non-crazy people don’t shoot other human beings in the neck from a secreted location, or shoot people out shopping at a TOPS, or climb on a roof and take a pot shot at a guy running for President. Mental illness is the fashionable term, &$&@ing lunatics is appropriate. The rhetoric from leaders is certainly problematic at times, and to be clear, I’m talking about most leaders of the modern era, but somehow, someway an estimated 258,460,000+\- adults managed not to climb a building and take a shot at a guy talking to a group of kids on a college campus and 1 found a way to reveal his madness in a massive way. When I was a kid, I was climbing over some snow banks and made it to the snow fence separating the public from the general public. I stepped on the fence, the wood slats broke under my 75ish pound frame, and I dropped almost straight down onto the gigantic splinters that were left. The snow gear helped, but fortunately the spikes did not break the skin on my leg, nor anywhere else in the very important area immediate area south of the belly button or north of the mid thigh. There are other stories like that, near misses, decisions to avoid a place and time, and we all have them. Sometimes you have to get lucky in life (Trump moving at the last second before being struck), and poor Charlie Kirk was not so fortunate. I too was playing in the snow, shooting BB guns with friends, getting shot by same, shooting hoops and doing other typical boy stuff. This kid appears to have been at the shooting range learning how to shoot his parents arsenal. The guy may have been nuts but the parents taught him the skill to do it. Most nuts don’t have the tools or skill. Social media probably poisoned his brain to give him the desire to do it. Edited September 12 by Andy1
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: They killed the man who espoused free speech and open debate are you serious Yes, yes he is.
SectionC3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 7 minutes ago, boyst said: so, if you're wrong... what? does it matter? if they're wrong....what? does it matter? this was a fringe political group attacking the conservative party. something that has been done time and time again in recent history. only twice was it a democratic victim - Giffords, and then in Minnesota recently. and then one time some incel shot a church up in charleston. the conservatives had their churches shot up, their schools, their politicians playing baseball, their president speaking, one of their main media personalities... it's going to be hard to convince anyone that conservatives are not actually under attack. Not true. At this point it’s one whack job who murdered one person. If he wanted to attack the party he had a pretty good chance to do so at that gathering.
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 They have his messages on Discord. Those messages talked about the bullet casings. I didn’t use AI for that.
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