Well, another worthless stat..total QBR

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 9/10/2025 at 6:00 AM, eball said:

I know some people hate using W-L record as a measuring stick for QBs but it matters.  Lamar played a technically and statistically great game, but he didn’t make any plays on their final three drives to win the game.  I’d be willing to bet if you asked him he’d say the same thing and give Josh the credit.

 

I love Lamar but this seems to be a growing theme…he’s gotta be making plays late when teams are loading up to stop Henry from icing the game and it seems not super uncommon that he doesn’t 

 

8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There needs to be some type of a hybrid rating that uses mostly qb rating but does factor in rushing stats, tds & turnovers.

It feels like there’s just so much variability in how defenses play different qbs that these metrics are close to worthless..  if a team plays a lot of over the top pass coverage and makes you nickel and dime them down the field obviously you’re gonna do it but your advanced metrics take a hit for yards per attempt 

 

over a season long sample size maybe comparing dudes using qbr and such matters but for a single game comparison it just doesn’t work 

Edited September 11 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Albany,n.y.]

8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I love Lamar but this seems to be a growing theme…he’s gotta be making plays late when teams are loading up to stop Henry from icing the game and it seems not super uncommon that he doesn’t 

 

 

Harbaugh gets the blame for the Ravens many blown leads, but people seem to forget that it usually starts with a mistake by Lamar.  

[folz]

I'm wondering if it is a stat that over a period of time may be more accurate than looking at a single game only. Meaning you could statistically have a game where it looks incorrect (on which QB was better), but in the long run it balances out a bit.

 

I went to look at the QBRs from last season, assuming Josh might be lower than I would expect.

But in 2024, Lamar and Josh were tied for the best QBR at 74.8 each (the two MVP candidates). Joe Burrow was 3rd and Jayden Daniels was 4th.

In 2023, Brock Purdy had the best QBR at 72.8. Dak was second, Josh 3rd, Lamar 4th, Herbert 5th.

In 2022, Mahomes was #1 at 79.0, then Josh, Tua, Hurts, and Goff. (Lamar was 9 and Burrow 10 in 2022).

In 2021, it was Rodgers at 74.1, followed by Brady, Herbert, Stafford, Mahomes, and Allen.

 

I personally never really look at or use this stat (QBR), but again, wondering if it is more accurate over a larger sample size than one game. Because looking at the lists for the last four years, it does seem like generally, the best QBs of that season did end up with the higher QBRs.

 

Edited September 11 by folz

[Orlando Buffalo]

On 9/10/2025 at 6:00 AM, eball said:

I know some people hate using W-L record as a measuring stick for QBs but it matters.  Lamar played a technically and statistically great game, but he didn’t make any plays on their final three drives to win the game.  I’d be willing to bet if you asked him he’d say the same thing and give Josh the credit.

 

I have a couple students who agree that Lamar is rarely, if ever, the man down the stretch but both don't remember him failing often. They both think that Harbaugh generally just goes run once they have a double digit lead in the 4th

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If that’s what the analytics say then they need to invent an entirely new formula for Josh Allen because he continues to defy the odds. I understand your point, but you won’t even consider mine.
 

You have a 2 time MVP QB and a HOF RB. All you need is 3 yards to pick up the first down and ice the game. Your offense has been successful albeit an uncharacteristical (idk if that’s even a Fing word) fumble by Henry and a couple stalled drives.
 

Your other option is to kick to a red hot Bills offense who just put up nearly 250 yards of offense on you in ONE quarter and you’re  on the ROAD. Come on, man. 🤦‍♂️ 

 

Agree.  I don't know if Harbaugh lost confidence in his offense or if he had too much confidence in his defense.  Maybe his choice to punt was just a knee-jerk reaction.   

 

The Ravens, ie, Henry, were running at will over the Bills defense.  Lamar escaped the Bills pass rush at least twice for big yardage plus some other shorter runs.   It was highly unlikely that the Bills defense could have stopped Henry or even Lamar from getting three yards.  OTOH, the Ravens D was struggling and needed help from a bad spot to stop Allen. 

 

Moreover, even if the Ravens failed to make the first down, they could have run the clock down to less than a minute with no time outs.  Giving Allen -- and most top NFL QBs -- more than a minute to take their team down the field for a potential game winning kick is asking to lose because you're counting on the kicker to miss.  It happens regularly when good teams face this situation.  As it was, even without time outs, the Bills moved downfield so fast that they had time to kneel twice before kicking the game winner.  

[Mikie2times]

It's a single stat from a single game, but it's really not a bad stat as all encompassing statistics go. I like EPA more personally. Then you have EPA hybrid stats which probably are even better, but I prefer simplicity when getting advanced. 

 

In any event, this is QBR from last year. It has Lamar and Josh with an identical rating. So while most people had Lamar with better stats, QBR didn't measure any separation. Unlike QB rating, it includes rushing performance. So I do like that element to it and generally find it to be a solid indicator as sample size grows. 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

35 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Agree.  I don't know if Harbaugh lost confidence in his offense or if he had too much confidence in his defense.  Maybe his choice to punt was just a knee-jerk reaction.   

 

The Ravens, ie, Henry, were running at will over the Bills defense.  Lamar escaped the Bills pass rush at least twice for big yardage plus some other shorter runs.   It was highly unlikely that the Bills defense could have stopped Henry or even Lamar from getting three yards.  OTOH, the Ravens D was struggling and needed help from a bad spot to stop Allen. 

 

Moreover, even if the Ravens failed to make the first down, they could have run the clock down to less than a minute with no time outs.  Giving Allen -- and most top NFL QBs -- more than a minute to take their team down the field for a potential game winning kick is asking to lose because you're counting on the kicker to miss.  It happens regularly when good teams face this situation.  As it was, even without time outs, the Bills moved downfield so fast that they had time to kneel twice before kicking the game winner.  

They made that FG drive look effortless. Just pinpoint throws in stride allover the field with a clear path out of bounds. The Ravens should’ve went for it. I’ll die on that hill. The Browns ? No. 

[dave mcbride]

On 9/9/2025 at 9:56 PM, Rich Stadium Original said:

Just came across this on ESPN site. According to that metric, Allen had the 11th best statistical QB performance for the weekend...which shows some flaws in the system. For those of you keeping track, Jackson finished #1.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Oh jeez. Jackson had a great game.

8 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Harbaugh gets the blame for the Ravens many blown leads, but people seem to forget that it usually starts with a mistake by Lamar.  

People need to abandon this stupid narrative. Allen is 77-34 as a a starter. That’s really good. Jackson is 70-25 as a starter. That’s better.

[Richard Noggin]

Are we allowed to admit that Allen forced at least a handful of passes into incredibly dangerous windows that BOTH: a) showed off his elite pocket movement AND arm arrogance/talent, and b) enough puck luck and WR compete to embrace success and narrowly avoid disaster?

 

On 9/10/2025 at 7:52 AM, boyst said:

Jackson got a lil boo boo and had to pull himself because he's baby soft charmin.

 

That's the measure I looked at...

 

To be fair, Ed freaking Oliver had at least something to do with Jackson's discomfort after 3rd down... 

Edited September 12 by Richard Noggin

[BUFFALOBART]

On 9/10/2025 at 8:09 PM, LabattBlue said:

I wonder how "worthless" the QBR ratings would be if Josh rushed for 80 yards and had the #1 QBR rating?

Well, that changes everything! 😂🤣😅