Ideas at Safety?

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

If Strong locks down CB2.....could we consider Tre White playing centerfield?  

People are concerned about his tackling ability 

[syhuang]

Rapp is the bigger problem than Bishop last night

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, syhuang said:

Rapp is the bigger problem than Bishop last night

 

 

it's PFF, but yes....Bernard and Milano had a game I'm sure they'd love to forget 

[SCBills]

Honestly came away from that game thinking Rapp was a bigger issue than Bishop.  
 

At least Bishop could get to Henry’s stiff arm..  Rapp looked like he had two bricks for sneakers. 

[bigduke6]

im still slightly worried bout these safeties.  Bishop is still basically learning, and i have problems with the way Rapp plays,  being almost as much of a danger to his own team as the opposition.  Rapp nearly destroyed Benford again early in the game.  this defense is not designed to stop a team like the Ravens.  there arent many teams in the league that play like the Ravens do on offense,  mostly because nobody else has a RB like Henry.  i expected the Ravens getting big chunks on the ground,  Lamar making plays with his feet.  i expect our defensive backfield to get healthier and get better over the course of the season and be ready for the playoffs.  when it comes to last night,  at the end of the day its all about who has more points at the end of the game regardless of how ugly one side of the ball was.  Go Bills.

Edited September 8 by bigduke6

[K-9]

44 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Thats great and all, but we’ll probably see them again in the Playoffs. 
 

Cant just hope they choke every time. 

That’s why I qualified “regular season.” I fully expect we will have to see them in the playoffs at some point. But neither team will be the same by then, anyway. Still gonna be a matchup pia.

[syhuang]

3 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

Daquan Jones, both safeties not very good 

It's PFF so take it as a grain of salt, but PFF has Daquan Jones among the top 5 graded defensive players.
 

 

Edited September 8 by syhuang

[finn]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I absolutely do.  Being able take Henry on head to head is way different than trying to grab him from the side when he’s running with a full head of steam.

 

Bishop clearly has room to improve, as most second year guys do, but it seems he is going to be the guy singled out by the fans this year for criticism.  That is a tradition that goes back to 1960; find a punching bag and beat on it.  From Richie Lucas through Bishop, including guys like Kelsey, Edmunds, Jeff Wright, and many others, it’s a time honored tradition.

Your list suggests the tradition had (and has) good cause. The film on how Bishop missed that tackle should be a "What not to do" teaching tool. I'm sure Bishop would agree. 

[Warriorspikes51]

11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

People are concerned about his tackling ability 

can't be worse than what we saw last night.   At least Tre could be in position 

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

There’s a reason Simmons hasn’t played in over a year, and why Peppers got cut by Vrabel.  And it’s easy to just say we can trade for a stud safety without any clue whether anyone is available.

What if the reason Simmons hasn't played is money?  Maybe the Bills should think about paying him appropriately.

 

And, yes, it's easy to say for Beane to trade for a stud safety.  It's kind of Beane's job.  To imply that there are none available seems to me the more clueless stance.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, finn said:

Your list suggests the tradition had (and has) good cause. The film on how Bishop missed that tackle should be a "What not to do" teaching tool. I'm sure Bishop would agree. 

Running at a freight train from the side and expecting to stop it doesn’t have great odds.  You have picked out the guy you want to rag on all year.  Enjoy.

1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

What if the reason Simmons hasn't played is money?  Maybe the Bills should think about paying him appropriately.

 

And, yes, it's easy to say for Beane to trade for a stud safety.  It's kind of Beane's job.  To imply that there are none available seems to me the more clueless stance.

So a guy that hasn’t played in over a year is your definition of a stud?  Ok.

[finn]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Running at a freight train from the side and expecting to stop it doesn’t have great odds.  You have picked out the guy you want to rag on all year.  Enjoy.

I respect your first sentence. I don't respect your second, which puts you squarely in the ever-charming "If someone disagrees with me, I must insult them" camp. 

 

Don't bother to reply. I prefer substance to malice. 

[GaryPinC]

31 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

All I see is TB get blown up and Henry is off to the races no stopping that.  

 

 

That's all you see out of this?   Sheesh. 

 

Let's start with the obvious.   Our D line gets utterly manhandled by Baltimore.  Blown off the LOS and some turned.  On the left side (O side).  It's 4 on 3 with a fullback on the way, so Linderbaum peels off to take care of Bernard.  That's a center on a LB.  TB was doing was doing what he was supposed to, he's fine IMO.

 

What are the real problems I see?

  ---You've got a weak side receiver who seems to occupy 4 defenders (Strong, Milano, Bishop, Rapp) with Strong weakly coming down the line but too far away.

Milano and Rapp both seem to be held by the receiver, Rapp specifically looks that way.

--Benford is covering no one  and makes no effort to go meet the play.

--Milano seems frozen by the receiver then walled off by a monster o-lineman.  Never had a chance.

--Rapp inexplicably backs up, over-respecting the weak side receiver then is too far away to crash the line with Benford.

 

For this particular play, I feel Benford and Rapp did the worst.

In general our defensive plan in the secondary was extremely poor.   Whether it was poor or miscommunication vs Baltimore knowing how to exploit our defensive system, I don't know.  But Bernard did what he was supposed to do.  And Bishop respecting the weak side receiver.  The rest?🤷‍♂️

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, finn said:

I respect your first sentence. I don't respect your second, which puts you squarely in the ever-charming "If someone disagrees with me, I must insult them" camp. 

 

Don't bother to reply. I prefer substance to malice. 

Call ‘em as I see ‘em.  Other than Oliver and Bosa in the second half no one on the defense played well last night.  I give credit to their offense for playing great.  Others pick a player for criticism.

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So a guy that hasn’t played in over a year is your definition of a stud?  Ok.

Why do you keep saying Simmons hasn't played in over a year, when he played last year for Atlanta?  Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true.

 According to Wikipedia he played Dec 16, 2024 and two pass deflections and an interception.  He has a fully guaranteed $7.5M contract.

 

Simmons didn't do well in PFF grading.  But Spotrac lists him at a market value of $5M.

 

I would like to think our FO is looking and he is one of the candidates.  But the FO might (rightfully) think they can hold off a bit and get a better deal than that with a trade candidate to be named later (which I am also hoping they are scouting).

[Allen2Moulds]

I know that we have issues at safety, but last night had a lot more to do with our front 7.

I also will not crucify Bishop, because he got put to the ground by Henry.  The fact that Henry made it to the second level untouched, full speed ahead, was again, a front 7 issue.

This team loves Rapp, and unfortunately, we are stuck with him. I love Rapp as backup safety, but not as a starter.  His physical limitations are painfully obvious. As the other poster wrote on here, I would also rather live with some mistakes from Bishop, and pair him up with Hancock. Rapp is who he is.  

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Why do you keep saying Simmons hasn't played in over a year, when he played last year for Atlanta?  Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true.

 According to Wikipedia he played Dec 16, 2024 and two pass deflections and an interception.  He has a fully guaranteed $7.5M contract.

 

Simmons didn't do well in PFF grading.  But Spotrac lists him at a market value of $5M.

 

I would like to think our FO is looking and he is one of the candidates.  But the FO might (rightfully) think they can hold off a bit and get a better deal than that with a trade candidate to be named later (which I am also hoping they are scouting).

I stand corrected in Simmons playing one game last year.  I think Beane has shown he keeps an eye on what is going on around the league, and that he and the coaching staff, together with his pro scouts, discuss guys constantly.  

[Rockinon]

The reason Hyde and Poyer were so good, is they knew what each other were doing. They came in together and went to work together. They studied together and and had a blueprint for every game. Neither had the greatest physical gifts. They just worked harder and communicated better. The closest safety to having that kind of knowledge isn't even Hamlin and he's not a starter. There's Rapp, who has experience but in another system and is getting his feet wet in this one. Then there's a young stud but he's still green.

 

These guys do need time because it's a damn difficult position to learn. The DBs have to get a feel for what the other DBs are doing and also know their own role in the scheme. They have communicate with other early and often or things can get ugly real fast.

 

Like I said before, they now have some tape. Not just of themselves, but of the other DBs they are playing with. They'll figure it out. It's all about communicating. On and off the field.

[Big Turk]

Time on task. You have to live with the growing pains. No other way. Even Kyle Hamilton was not good for the first half of his rookie year and look at him now...

[947]

I think the answer might be putting Bishop into Rapp's SS spot & playing Hancock at FS.

 

I know Bishop is considered to be more of a SS than FS, but some of his tackling attempts in this game & the Bears PS game make me question that. If he can show the ability to hit & tackle, I think the Bishop/Hancock combo is our best bet.

 

Rapp is a very willing hitter, but that's literally the only trait he brings to the table at this point. He was always below average in coverage, but looks much worse than that this year.