BobbyC81 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 On 9/5/2025 at 1:10 PM, TFBillsfan said: TFBillsfan Posted yesterday at 03:45 PM On 9/4/2025 at 3:20 PM, Mango said: Total speculation. But I have been wondering if Bass had a hernia/and or hernia surgery that he is trying to recover from and the team is trying to be coy as they manage it. I really don’t understand why they didn’t IR Bass to start the season? The longer this lingers without him practicing the more I question his ramp up time and how significant of an injury is it. Knowing how close most NFL games are, having major doubts about the health of your kicker is troubling. Fully expecting Bass to be inactive for the first two weeks if not longer. Not happy about being right about Bass going to IR or missing games! So, why the he11 did they have him kick in the last preseason game? Did that reaggravate it? Quote
mannc Posted September 7 Posted September 7 18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You Kickoff from your own 35. Even if you're kicking it to just the opposing 15, you're booming it 50 yards. You can't really think Ray Davis has 50-55 yard kicks in him... You want Ray Davis Kicking off, he'll be Kicking it to where they'd be on a Touchback under the new rules anyways. Kicking an extra point through the middle of the uprights doesn't mean you can handle Kickoffs. Matt Prater is an actual Kicker. 41 years old doesn't mean he's broken down. Kickers in their 40's is fairly common. If there were a concern on whether he could handle Kickoffs - we'd have brought someone else in. That’s not the point. I know Prater can kick off…the problem is, he can’t tackle anyone, and under the new rule, that could be a problem. Davis can certainly kick the ball 55 yards off a tee, with a running start. 1 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: That’s not the point. I know Prater can kick off…the problem is, he can’t tackle anyone, and under the new rule, that could be a problem. Davis can certainly kick the ball 55 yards off a tee, with a running start. You're seriously fooling yourself if you think Ray Davis can Kick the Ball 55 yards, even with a running start - just bc you saw him kick a line drive extra point that went halfway up the uprights. No team in the league right now is stressing about whether or not their Kicker can make a tackle and pulling them off the field for players at other positions bc they are better suited to tackle. You're really overthinking this in many different ways and your misguided idea won't be a thing. If it were, we'd have seen Ray Davis instead of Caden Davis trying Kickoffs during the Pre-Season and heard reports of him doing it in practice. Edited September 7 by BillsFanForever19 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted September 7 Posted September 7 On 9/5/2025 at 4:24 PM, TFBillsfan said: I struggle to understand why if they’ve known about Bass’s injury and what he’s been dealing with, why they weren’t proactive in having a plan B in case he isn’t or wouldn’t be ready for week 1? His name is Prater. 2 Quote
BlueRed Posted September 7 Posted September 7 2 hours ago, mannc said: That’s not the point. I know Prater can kick off…the problem is, he can’t tackle anyone, and under the new rule, that could be a problem. Davis can certainly kick the ball 55 yards off a tee, with a running start. Can any of our Madden playing friends show us the tackle rating comparison between Bass, Prater, and Ray Davis? There has got to be a way for us to figure out the right answer to this! 1 1 Quote
H2o Posted September 7 Posted September 7 If Prater comes in and is reliable, then they will likely let Bass' IR stint carry out through the season. Just my 2. It also could be the end of Bass here in general and we could go a different direction next offseason altogether. Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) On 9/5/2025 at 2:04 PM, QLBillsFan said: When does the cliff come for 41 year old kickers ? Hopefully 42😂🤷🏻♂️ On 9/5/2025 at 2:21 PM, chris heff said: George Blanda kicked until he was 102. Phil Dawson and Lou Groza kicked until they were 43. Matt Bryant, Eddie Murray 44. Gary Anderson, Ben Agajanian 45. Adam Vinatieri, John Carney 46. Morten Andersen until he was 47 and George Blanda until he was 48. On 9/5/2025 at 2:50 PM, BillsShredder83 said: Personally, I really liked taking a swing at one in the draft in 2021 or whenever it was. I might get flamed but it's an excellent use of resources in principal, IMO. What other position can you take someone as the first at his position, in the 6th round? As much as we all hate it, kickers have a huge effect on games, good or bad. Signing a good one is expensive. So yeah, when a good one comes out again, I'm down to take a late pick swing again. Bass almost was a grand slam really. Looked that way through 2 years, but some yips kicked in, and injuries piling up. It sucks, but if you hit on one, you can have the steadiest stream of points you can get outta a player for 12-15 years. Fun experiment: you have a cosmic chance to trade for a young Justin Tucker, with the power of foresight. And add him to the team right now, rookie salary. You'll know exactly how his career plays out (hes not a sax pervert in this world). Whats the max draft compensation you'd give up to have him starting week 1 for us? Id give up a 2nd ('26), 3rd ('27), and a 4th('28). Probably even do the 3rd + 4th all in '27. How bout yall? Someone posted on this fairly recently with some reasearch that showed that many of the top drafted kickers and punters are ones that don't stick in the NFL and that the ones that do are often undrafted. On 9/5/2025 at 5:57 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He looks like he smokes cigarettes for breakfast and then tries to impersonate Michael Madsen (RIP). On 9/5/2025 at 7:02 PM, RiotAct said: Looks kind of like Chuck Norris. Yeah, Prater does not look facially young for a 41 year old when you're comparing him to a 68 year old actor who just died and an 80 year old actor. That said over the last few weeks the Bills brought in Zane Gonzales, Eddie Pineiro, Greg Joseph, and Caden Davis before signing Prater. They must feel that he's the best option available. Edited September 7 by Sierra Foothills 3 Quote
chris heff Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Phil Dawson and Lou Groza kicked until they were 43. Matt Bryant, Eddie Murray 44. Gary Anderson, Ben Agajanian 45. Adam Vinatieri, John Carney 46. Morten Andersen until he was 47 and George Blanda until he was 48. Someone posted on this fairly recently with some reasearch that showed that many of the top drafted kickers and punters are ones that don't stick in the NFL and that the ones that do are often undrafted. Yeah, Prater does not look facially young for a 41 year old when you're comparing him to a 68 year old actor who just died and an 80 year old actor. That said over the last few weeks the Bills brought in Zane Gonzales, Eddie Pineiro, Greg Joseph, and Caden Davis before signing Prater. They must feel that he's the best option available. Are you sure George wasn’t 102? I saw it on Facebook, I think. Said he broke his hip in mid kick and then passed away from pneumonia. We call that the Florida Trifecta. Edited September 7 by chris heff 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted September 7 Posted September 7 42 minutes ago, chris heff said: Are you sure George wasn’t 102? I saw it on Facebook, I think. Said he broke his hip in mid kick and then passed away from pneumonia. We call that the Florida Trifecta. I must be mistaken... if it was on Facebook it must be true! 1 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted September 7 Posted September 7 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Dude you're going to be eating sour grapes when we win the super bowl buddy BILLieve this roster is better than last year's I hope you’re right, but I’m skeptical… Each year that passes, I lose faith that this team will ever win a superbowl… I look at the 1990 Bills- And if we couldn’t win it with all those HOFers, how could we possibly do it with this team, which just has 1 future HOFer… Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I hope you’re right, but I’m skeptical… Each year that passes, I lose faith that this team will ever win a superbowl… I look at the 1990 Bills- And if we couldn’t win it with all those HOFers, how could we possibly do it with this team, which just has 1 future HOFer… How did the Giants win two super bowls with one Hall of Fame player and it wasn't even their quarterback.. I'm pretty sure Michael Strahan is the only Hall of famer from Eli SBs You need as much luck as skill and that's the truth Something the bills have not had.. realistically that eagles team is not stacked with Hall of famers outside of maybe saquon Barkley and lane Johnson prolly lock Guys like brown great players not Hall of famers... Jalen hurts is not a Hall of famer rn Edited September 7 by Buffalo716 Quote
JaCrispy Posted September 7 Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: How did the Giants win two super bowls with one Hall of Fame player and it wasn't even their quarterback.. I'm pretty sure Michael Strahan is the only Hall of famer from Eli SBs You need as much luck as skill and that's the truth Something the bills have not had.. realistically that eagles team is not stacked with Hall of famers outside of maybe saquon Barkley and lane Johnson prolly lock Guys like brown great players not Hall of famers... Jalen hurts is not a Hall of famer rn Exactly my point… Other teams can win superbowls with less than ideal rosters… Because of the negative voodoo against the bills, for whatever reason, we could have the most perfect squad and still can’t win… Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Exactly my point… Other teams can win superbowls with less than ideal rosters… Because of the negative voodoo against the bills, for whatever reason, we could have the most perfect squad and still can’t win… Yeah but that's why it does take luck and skill and coaching At the end of the day 31s don't win it crispy... And there's more than one good NFL team There's a lot of teams that are sad in February The Ravens have 8 all pros and have not gone to a super bowl with Lamar... And we're beating them in the playoffs Again the difference is we played the chiefs at Arrowhead last year with a bunch of fresh injuries... Not injuries an NFL team had seven weeks to adjust with... We literally had 11 guys on the injury report most of them dinged up the last week... 7 on defense Lost our best corner didn't have our best safety.. and in a game of inches where the talent margin is so slim.. on the road in Arrowhead one of the toughest places to play we lost by three That's it three points.. we didn't lose by 15 or 18 or 30.. we lost by a field goal severely banged up and hampered Yes I 1,000% believe with Benford and rapp we win.. when we played the Chiefs once without two starters in their secondary Gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice.. Jerry Rice We're constantly seeing the Chiefs in the playoffs down a starting middle linebacker and are starting corner and a contributing safety and our number two wide receiver lol that was also in the playoffs two years ago Sure the Chiefs have had some injuries but their injuries that happened in October and any professional team can adjust over 12 plus weeks... What's really hard is getting those injuries 6 days before the playoff game That is the difference health is massive... The colts couldn't win without Bob Sanders in the playoffs.. cuz he's always hurt.. the year he's back in the playoffs they win the super bowl We just need to stay healthy in February Edited September 7 by Buffalo716 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bills742 said: I get the sense this is more serious than they are letting on and if Bass comes back he will likely have a high chance of re-injuring it and end up having to have surgery to correct the issue. Clearly far more going on than just "Pelvic soreness" and that doesn't sound like a great thing for a kicker to have to begin with since that's where all his power derives from. Even minor issues can sap disproportional amounts of strength in his kicks. On 9/7/2025 at 2:59 PM, Buffalo716 said: How did the Giants win two super bowls with one Hall of Fame player and it wasn't even their quarterback.. I'm pretty sure Michael Strahan is the only Hall of famer from Eli SBs You need as much luck as skill and that's the truth Something the bills have not had.. realistically that eagles team is not stacked with Hall of famers outside of maybe saquon Barkley and lane Johnson prolly lock Guys like brown great players not Hall of famers... Jalen hurts is not a Hall of famer rn Eli is almost assuredly getting in for his 2 SB wins over the evil empire and stopping the undefeated season even if he wouldn't deserve it based on his mediocre numbers otherwise. Plus he is a Manning, football royalty, don't discount how much weight that holds. Won't be first ballot, but almost assuredly getting in within first 5 years. Edited September 24 by Big Turk Quote
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