Dawson Knox Appreciation

[NoName]

I hope he is a Bill for life AND I hope his cap number gets cut in half. 

[T master]

Knox is a Bill through & through I hope he can play out his career with the team !! He's always there when you need him and is always contributing some way some how, & even if forgotten for a minute coaches can be reminded just what a weapon he is just by throwing to him in clutch time .

 

I could see him wanting to go to the Titans but he will always be a Buffalo Bill in my eyes . He came from a college where he was the underdog for getting the ball on the team he was on because of the others around him so he was a perfect fit from the get go . 

[Mango]

36 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

IDC about stats. I don’t play fantasy football anymore. Dawson Knox doesn’t drop that pass Kincaid did in the KC game. I don’t want to hear how it was a bad pass. Considering the pressure, it was a beautiful throw that hit Kincaid right in the mitts. Knox has made some big time catches over his career and seems to not be bothered by the spotlight. He is also a far superior blocker and the more complete TE in the respected stages of their careers. 

 

I posted a defensive post for Knox up thread. I think part of the reason he's been an unsung hero as of late is because he suffered from the dropsies early in his career.

 

That seems to be better now, with less targets. But I'm not sure he's done enough to say "Dawson Knox doesn't drop that pass".

 

[blacklabel]

Terrific role player and a good dude. And I can agree that Kincaid has the edge on him as a receiver but all I know is numerous times last season Knox would get wide open over the middle for like 25-35 yards every time. 

 

It's also pretty evident that the knee injury really limited Kincaid last season. I don't think they were able to utilize him as much as they would've liked but hopefully he's 100% and makes a leap in here in his third year. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

40 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I posted a defensive post for Knox up thread. I think part of the reason he's been an unsung hero as of late is because he suffered from the dropsies early in his career.

 

That seems to be better now, with less targets. But I'm not sure he's done enough to say "Dawson Knox doesn't drop that pass".

 

Knox caught that ball that was supposed to be a throwaway by Josh Allen against New England which was a much harder catch

 

 

Edited September 1 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

IDC about stats. I don’t play fantasy football anymore. Dawson Knox doesn’t drop that pass Kincaid did in the KC game. I don’t want to hear how it was a bad pass. Considering the pressure, it was a beautiful throw that hit Kincaid right in the mitts. Knox has made some big time catches over his career and seems to not be bothered by the spotlight. He is also a far superior blocker and the more complete TE in the respected stages of their careers. 

Kincaid has 100-120 targets a year. Knox gets like 30-35. Why is that the case? It's pretty simple- It's because Kincaid is a way superior receiving option than Knox.

Unless you think McDermott , Joe Brady and Josh Allen are punishing Dawson Knox, the Bills are literally telling us that they also think Kincaid is a much better receiving tight end from that target share. I'm not even sure how it's debatable 

Edited September 1 by BillsFan130

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He is going to be cut next year imo.

Wouldn't be shocked if he takes a pay cut to stay

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

47 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Kincaid has 100-120 targets a year. Knox gets like 30-35. Why is that the case? It's pretty simple- It's because Kincaid is a way superior receiving option than Knox.

Unless you think McDermott , Joe Brady and Josh Allen are punishing Dawson Knox, the Bills are literally telling us that they also think Kincaid is a much better receiving tight end from that target share. I'm not even sure how it's debatable 

Because as a 1st round pick, Kincaid has been given every opportunity to succeed. He was supposed to be better than Knox and that’s what I was hoping for. Kincaid has regressed in his 2nd year. I hope the Bills stop playing him over Knox just because of his draft position. 

[BillsFan130]

32 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Because as a 1st round pick, Kincaid has been given every opportunity to succeed. He was supposed to be better than Knox and that’s what I was hoping for. Kincaid has regressed in his 2nd year. I hope the Bills stop playing him over Knox just because of his draft position. 

I don't think his draft position has anything to do with feeding him 3x more targets than Knox every year. Knox if anything is making a lot of money, so you would think they would want to get more value out of that contract.

 

Elam was drafted in the 1st round, but he could never beat out the 6th round rookie in Benford or even Dane Jackson.

 

Point being: The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl and they are going to play the best players regardless of draft position, contracts etc.

Edited September 1 by BillsFan130

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

47 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don't think his draft position has anything to do with feeding him 3x more targets than Knox every year. Knox if anything is making a lot of money, so you would think they would want to get more value out of that contract.

 

Elam was drafted in the 1st round, but he could never beat out the 6th round rookie in Benford or even Dane Jackson.

 

Point being: The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl and they are going to play the best players regardless of draft position, contracts etc.

Draft position has everything to do with it. If you use a 1st rounder on a guy, you are gonna want to see a return on your investment. It’s a proven fact that more patience & time is almost always given to players picked in earlier rounds.
 

The Bills wanted better production from the TE position probably bc they saw what Travis Kelce did to their defense ever year. Even if Kincaid is marginally better than Knox it still wasn’t enough to warrant picking him so early. You want a dominant TE in round 1 which Kincaid isn’t (yet.)

 

But yeah in the respective stages of their careers, Knox is the more well-rounded every down TE IMO. If given equal amount of snaps I don’t see there being much of a difference in production. 

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Draft position has everything to do with it. If you use a 1st rounder on a guy, you are gonna want to see a return on your investment. It’s a proven fact that more patience & time is almost always given to players picked in earlier rounds.
 

The Bills wanted better production from the TE position probably bc they saw what Travis Kelce did to their defense ever year. Even if Kincaid is marginally better than Knox it still wasn’t enough to warrant picking him so early. You want a dominant TE in round 1 which Kincaid isn’t (yet.)

 

But yeah in the respective stages of their careers, Knox is the more well-rounded every down TE IMO. If given equal amount of snaps I don’t see there being much of a difference in production. 

I just gave you an example where Elam was a 1st round pick and benford was a 6th round pick in the same draft class. Yet, Benford started week 1 over him in 2022 as Elam couldn't beat him out.

 

If what you're saying is true about draft position and return on investment, then Elam would have been the starter over Benford and Dane Jackson . But it wasn't the case.

[JaCrispy]

I would appreciate Knox more if he gave back half his contract…😉

[RoscoeParrish]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Wouldn't be shocked if he takes a pay cut to stay

He did that last year.

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Draft position has everything to do with it. If you use a 1st rounder on a guy, you are gonna want to see a return on your investment. It’s a proven fact that more patience & time is almost always given to players picked in earlier rounds.
 

The Bills wanted better production from the TE position probably bc they saw what Travis Kelce did to their defense ever year. Even if Kincaid is marginally better than Knox it still wasn’t enough to warrant picking him so early. You want a dominant TE in round 1 which Kincaid isn’t (yet.)

 

But yeah in the respective stages of their careers, Knox is the more well-rounded every down TE IMO. If given equal amount of snaps I don’t see there being much of a difference in production. 

To be a dominant player, you have to have an attitude of a dominant player…You’ve gotta have the attitude that you’re the best, and that nothing is gonna stop you from doing what you want on the field.

 

I don’t see that mentality from Kincaid…

[twoandfourteen]

Dawson Knox is the epitome of Brandon Beane’s tenure as GM — Knox is the “King of the JAGs”.

 

Beane has a knack for finding these easily replaceable players and then paying them way more than they are worth. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He did that last year.

A bigger one. He's in the top 5 for cap hits. He knows he isn't going to make anywhere close to that on the open market. I imagine he wants to be here.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I just gave you an example where Elam was a 1st round pick and benford was a 6th round pick in the same draft class. Yet, Benford started week 1 over him in 2022 as Elam couldn't beat him out.

 

If what you're saying is true about draft position and return on investment, then Elam would have been the starter over Benford and Dane Jackson . But it wasn't the case.

The exception proves the rule. For every Benford, there is 10 guys that never got a shot because the guy picked earlier ate up all the reps. 

Edited September 2 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Second favorite player on the team! Hope cool heads prevail and he takes a slight pay cut with 100% guaranteed money so he can stay on the team the next few years.

[BillsFanForever19]

Unless he takes a pretty substantial paycut, he won't be a Bill next year - let alone a Bill for life.

 

In no scenario can Dawson Knox who will turn 30 next season, count for 17+m on the Cap. He shouldn't count for 14.5 this season. But it's pretty much fully guaranteed this season (a cut would generate 13.8+m in Dead Cap), which is why he's still here. That won't be a thing next year though. We finally have an out on that insanely overpriced contract we signed him to.

 

I like Dawson as a person and a teammate. But his 2021 and 2022 campaigns that precipitated the massive contract feel like blips on the radar. In the 2 years before that and the 2 years after - which make up 2/3 of his career, he averages 293 yards and 2 TD's a year. That is simply not enough production to warrant so much as a third of money he's under next season, when we can get out from under it.

Edited September 2 by BillsFanForever19

[Rocky Landing]

I've found it interesting how well Knox, and Kincaid compliment each other. Knox came into the league as primarily a blocking TE-- he hadn't made a single TD in his entire college career. Kincaid, just the opposite, billed as a receiving TE, with remarkable hands, and a skilled route runner with a natural ability to get open-- but a lousy blocker. Upon arriving in Buffalo, they each set to work improving the opposite side of their game. Knox, especially, worked tirelessly in each offseason improving his receiving skills, including hiring an eye-hand coordination, and vision specialist. His work has clearly paid dividends. While Kincaid is the better, all-around receiver, Knox has made some incredible, clutch receptions. They're a helluva one-two punch at tight end.