Shaun Dolac makes the Rams

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:

Would have made more sense than a combo of shaq  Thompson and Kaden Prather.  Should have taken him in the 7th round. We all knew Prather was not making this team to begin with. Dumb. 

We have Bernard Milano Dorian Williams , Thompson and we're already have a linebacker we're developing with andreessen 

 

Shaun doesn't want to be the sixth guy and the bills are already putting a lot of work to develop andresen... 

 

Never made sense from either side 

 

Bernard and Dorian Williams are probably the linebackers of the future.. and Milano and Thompson can still play

Edited August 26 by Buffalo716

[<bills4life>]

3 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Ok then.  Dolac was not making the team over Thompson either.  

Nations leading tackler last year in college. 14 tackles in two pre season games. We can agree to disagree on Thompson. Broken leg in 23 and torn Achilles in 24 aged 31 years old. I would take the 23 year old rook any day of the week. Way more upside. 

[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Nations leading tackler last year in college. 14 tackles in two pre season games. We can agree to disagree on Thompson. Broken leg in 23 and torn Achilles in 24 aged 31 years old. I would take the 23 year old rook any day of the week. Way more upside. 

The bills do not need upside in that 5th LB spot.  They need someone that can play in the event of injury and is not learning on the job. They already have their local Rudy story on the roster.  One is enough, thank you.  Agree to disagree.  

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:

Nations leading tackler last year in college. 14 tackles in two pre season games. We can agree to disagree on Thompson. Broken leg in 23 and torn Achilles in 24 aged 31 years old. I would take the 23 year old rook any day of the week. Way more upside. 

I have watched every single UB game since 1999 

 

There was no world where we were bringing in dolac after bringing andreessen and developing him now 

 

Bernard Milano Dorian Williams and Thompson.. with andresen being developed 

 

We have current starters and our future starters with Bernard and Williams .. and they already have our development project with andresen 

 

The second we brought in andresen last year he made the team I said in the UB thread dolac is not going to be a Buffalo Bill.. it's a numbers game it doesn't make sense for either side 

 

The UB bulls run a two linebacker system their linebackers are always eating the last three four years..  statistically they're always at the top 

 

Red Murdock who is going to be their current starting linebacker is better than dolac and andresen and has more NFL potential

Edited August 26 by Buffalo716

[<bills4life>]

Just now, FLFan said:

The bills do not need upside in that 5th LB spot.  They need someone that can play in the event of injury and is not learning on the job. They already have their local Rudy story on the roster.  One is enough, thank you.  Agree to disagree.  

Fair enough

[PromoTheRobot]

43 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

How many UB players are we expected to roster?

 

The team can barely compete in the MAC. Are we expected to believe inviting double digit UB Bulls to camp is the key to Super Bowl success?

 

UB was 9-4 last year and they got a vote in the AP preseason Coaches Poll. But yeah, they don't compete. 🙄

Edited August 26 by PromoTheRobot

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

I feel like more was at play regarding the Bills.  Like they didn’t want another UB guy as the story and pressure of another local kid. They already have Joe, Cam, Ingram from UB. I dunno, just seems like they knew he’d be decent if not very good and they punted on it, and said let him be another teams fun story.

Dolac was by far a better college player than those three.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Dolac was by far a better college player than those three.

Cam was insane 

 

He literally played on an island like darrelle revis at UB 

 

He was one-on-one all game.. played with a club, played with degenerative bone disease and was absolutely UBs best player his senior year 

 

Now I'm not saying Sean wasn't a beast but to say cam was not a beast is inaccurate

 

UBs system allows heavy stat stuffing for their linebackers... Red Murdock is the linebacker that is finally going to  be the off ball linebacker drafted from University at Buffalo 

 

He's gonna go off this year and get drafted

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[Goin Breakdown]

2 hours ago, HansLanda said:

 

Just because he is from Buffalo doesn't mean the Bills have to take all these guys. It is great for UB.

Of course not. Mack taught us this lesson years ago. 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

I get both sides of the argument. 
 

I don’t really care that he played at UB. 
 

I was more excited about his production and game tape. 
 

That he was in the Bills backyard is just a coincidence. 
 

Pre-draft I thought he was worth a 4-5th round pick based on my assessment of him. I believe/d he has great upside. 
 

Reality will be the judge. Let’s see.

[NewEra]

BEANE SUCKS!!!! I CAN’T BELIEVE HE DIDN’T DRAFT HIM

 

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[Ray Finkel]

Make Buffalo proud!

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I have watched every single UB game since 1999 

 

There was no world where we were bringing in dolac after bringing andreessen and developing him now 

 

Bernard Milano Dorian Williams and Thompson.. with andresen being developed 

 

We have current starters and our future starters with Bernard and Williams .. and they already have our development project with andresen 

 

The second we brought in andresen last year he made the team I said in the UB thread dolac is not going to be a Buffalo Bill.. it's a numbers game it doesn't make sense for either side 

 

The UB bulls run a two linebacker system their linebackers are always eating the last three four years..  statistically they're always at the top 

 

Red Murdock who is going to be their current starting linebacker is better than dolac and andresen and has more NFL potential

 

Is Dolac not actually a much better prospect than Andreesen? (from the Bills perspective)

 

I've been assuming it's more about Bernard in front of him being a young core guy signed long term. (from the player's/agent's perspective)

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Is Dolac not actually a much better prospect than Andreesen? (from the Bills perspective)

 

I've been assuming it's more about Bernard in front of him being a young core guy signed long term. (from the player's/agent's perspective)

Oh he definitely is in my mind .. I had a late fifth early sixth round grade on dolac... Though I knew he would be a priority undrafted free agent 

 

I had a priority undrafted grade on andreeson

 

The difference is dolac is more of a will at the NFL level and andreeson has the Mike size

 

But the difference in their talent probably got made up in the year andreeson was in the NFL... For a bit 

 

So for the bills we already have a 53 roster developing LBr... And we definitely are gonna have 1-2 on the Practice squad 

 

Dolac probably wouldn't be able to be stashed on the practice squad and he's not a mike like andreessen 

 

But yes player for player I think dolac will be able to crack a lineup and make some plays as a will.. andreeson has a longer road as a mike

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

6 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

How many UB players are we expected to roster?

 

The team can barely compete in the MAC. Are we expected to believe inviting double digit UB Bulls to camp is the key to Super Bowl success?

Kalil Mack in his prime might’ve been 

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Oh he definitely is in my mind .. I had a late fifth early sixth round grade on dolac... Though I knew he would be a priority undrafted free agent 

 

I had a priority undrafted grade on andreeson

 

The difference is dolac is more of a will at the NFL level and andreeson has the Mike size #1

 

But the difference in their talent probably got made up in the year andreeson was in the NFL... For a bit #2

 

So for the bills we already have a 53 roster developing LBr... And we definitely are gonna have 1-2 on the Practice squad 

 

Dolac probably wouldn't be able to be stashed on the practice squad and he's not a mike like andreessen 

 

But yes player for player I think dolac will be able to crack a lineup and make some plays as a will.. andreeson has a longer road as a mike

 

#1 is what I've suspected kept Dolac's representation away from signing with the Bills (assuming the Bills had any real interest in the player) -- total multi-year log jam at WLB with Milano and Williams

 

#2 is what I don't fully agree with, in that a local tryout signing (in Andreesen) grew enough over one year in an NFL system/program to catch up to a far superior/higher ceiling (physically and for sure college production) priority UDFA prospect. It's not impossible at all in a league where early draft picks flame out and UDFAs comprise 1/3 of the player pool. But wouldn't Dolac be a better prospect than Andreesen? Or is he too much of a WLB guy (which harkens back to #1). He's not any smaller than Bernard was, right? 

 

I have this nagging fear about McBEANE's roster management approach: that each year they think of/select primary backups (at most positions) in terms of floor 100%. In terms of "trust" and "confidence" in this moment, rather than true, iron-sharpens-iron competition at all positions, like they sometimes claim. Wouldn't a Dolac represent more talent in the pipeline than an Andreesen? I'm afraid the Sabres have been demonstrably guilty of that tendency to not actively threaten the progression of their young pipeline talent with better players. Are they haunted by the ghost of Wyatt Teller?

 

Is that last paragraph at all cogent?

 

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

#1 is what I've suspected kept Dolac's representation away from signing with the Bills (assuming the Bills had any real interest in the player) -- total multi-year log jam at WLB with Milano and Williams

 

#2 is what I don't fully agree with, in that a local tryout signing (in Andreesen) grew enough over one year in an NFL system/program to catch up to a far superior/higher ceiling (physically and for sure college production) priority UDFA prospect. It's not impossible at all in a league where early draft picks flame out and UDFAs comprise 1/3 of the player pool. But wouldn't Dolac be a better prospect than Andreesen? Or is he too much of a WLB guy (which harkens back to #1). He's not any smaller than Bernard was, right? 

 

I have this nagging fear about McBEANE's roster management approach: that each year they think of/select primary backups (at most positions) in terms of floor 100%. In terms of "trust" and "confidence" in this moment, rather than true, iron-sharpens-iron competition at all positions, like they sometimes claim. Wouldn't a Dolac represent more talent in the pipeline than an Andreesen? I'm afraid the Sabres have been demonstrably guilty of that tendency to not actively threaten the progression of their young pipeline talent with better players. Are they haunted by the ghost of Wyatt Teller?

 

Is that last paragraph at all cogent?

 

I mean I'm around UB football a lot I've attended pro days most years

 

Dolac is playing at 220 lb with the bulls .. give or take three or four pounds.. probably 215-225 over his career

 

Andresen played at 235 240... And probably cut down to a better 230 something with bills

 

Joe has the natural frame to be a middle linebacker... Dolac is strictly going to be a weak side linebacker his entire career 

 

When Joe came to UB he started playing the mike and dolac went to the will

 

So it's what the bills are looking for.. we have our will set with Milano and Williams in the future... Heck if andreeson pops Bernard could slide to the will and Joe at Mike in 2 years 

 

But I see the future linebacker core with Bernard and Williams... Joe has the ability to play the mike and will which has versatility 

 

I understand the whole thought of just thinking andresen as a local camp tryout.. but you have to think of him as a guy who made an NFL roster out the gate.. your pedigree goes out the window in training camp ... He was also at Bryant for the majority of his college career FCS...  if he had 3 years FBS production I might have a slightly higher grade... Shaun walked on and earned his playing time but he has 3 years FBS production to one and that's huge also 

 

But Joe is an NFL player who made a roster.. not even a practice squad... That's boosting the bottom line.. it's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog 

 

And he clearly has more than most given credit for 

 

As someone who is always said the talent margin in the NFL is razor thin.. even between a first round pick and a 7th round pick 

 

The talent margin between a sixth round pick and a priority underrafted free agent is not as big as most seems 

 

If we needed a will Shaub dolac 100% would have been the first guy I called after the draft or even in the later rounds... McDermott just always has an abundance of wills.. even Thompson is a will

 

But Dorian Williams have a great explosiveness and I think he still has a lot of room to grow under Sean McDermott and I could see that being his spot for the future

Edited August 27 by Buffalo716

[Mike in Horseheads]

Funny thing is, if he made the Bills he may have bounced Andreeson off the team

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Funny thing is, if he made the Bills he may have bounced Andreeson off the team

They play different positions 

 

@Richard Noggin think of dolac as the MAC version of Matt Milano... Maybe even slightly smaller

 

And Matt was a 5th round pick out of a  linebacker school like BC 

 

That's why it was easy for me especially being around other scouts knowing he wasn't going to get drafted... 

 

But he's going to outplay his pedigree... He doesn't hit his hard as Milano... But he has the same type of awareness and ability to play from sideline to sideline 

 

He's also probably a little faster but Matt was more jacked up

 

Now I'm not saying he's going to be a future All pro but his Play style and grit are all there... And with McVeigh he's gonna be making plays sooner than later 

 

But we can't sit here as Bill's fans and shoot ourselves in the foot and McDermott and say why not this kid.. when the back jam at his position is big and he doesn't have the position versatility that McDermott covets for a back end guy

Edited August 27 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

Shaun dolac to me reminds me of ANOTHER Buffalo born and bread player

 

Isaiah McDuffie... From Bennett high School to Boston college to the Green Bay Packers 

 

A through and through linebacker... A bloodhound for the football... A great acceleration burst .. slightly undersized 

 

Dolac was better in college at coverage but he also played in The MAC not against ACC quarterbacks so it's hard to judge effectiveness 

 

But linebackers under/Around 225 from the Buffalo area who fit the mold of a  Western New York football player... Two-way star in high school... Great IQ...speed,  Potential that still is not tapped 

 

Big fan of Isaiah McDuffie and I think Sean right there.. just let him grow with McVeigh but he has a lot of potential if he can stay healthy

Edited August 27 by Buffalo716