Can you imagine if Beane had done this (‘22 draft)…

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

This is funny because the Chiefs without Mahommes were a double digit winning team that routinely made the playoffs and sometimes won their division. That’s who our main competition is. McDs Bills before Allen barely snuck into the playoffs once  and before Allen’s jump looked pretty ***** mediocre. Right now, without Allen, this is not a playoff team and would probably be lucky to have .500 record. I think most people can agree on that. While some people seem insufferable to others it’s because some are happy just winning games and to scared about the past. Others want a Super Bowl and are seeing no improvements that will help this team get over the hump. The O has made improvements because of Brady system and Allen being Allen, but the D is the problem. That’s where most of us have the frustration with this team. We got a defensive minded HC and his D consistently lets this team down in the same fashion. 

[SoTier]

39 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

 

I only went back to 2018, but the Jests tradition of picking busts goes back decades. 

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

I’m not spoiled! I’m not I’m not I’m not! You’re spoiled!

[Billy Claude]

51 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I only went back to 2018, but the Jests tradition of picking busts goes back decades. 

Yeah, the Christian Hackenberg pick in 2016 was WTF from the moment it was made.  You are doing pretty badly when you have two second round picks within 4 years play zero snaps for your team.

Edited August 26 by Billy Claude

[Billsatlastin2018]

4 hours ago, eball said:

https://apple.news/APXOfnemBSAuaSmiuGezfzA
 

This place would implode. 
 

At least they didn’t pick a dead dude!

 

THAT has been done. 😆🤪

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I would like to test this theory asap by winning the first one, but I can’t agree.

 

I think a small minority of folks would grumble about multiple rings. The large majority would be quite pleased. 

As a Golden State Warriors fan thru the 80s, 90s and 0s, being in the same division with the Lakers and Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, I never expected the team to win the division, much less contend for a title.

 

However, they did it in 2015.  The two with Durant were like icing on the cake.  Then, their 2022 title was unexpected but still enjoyable.

 

Would I have been happy with just one title?  I think so.   They dominated in winning the 2017 & 2018 titles so it would’ve been disappointing had they lost.  So, with 4 titles, was I disappointed when Curry got hurt in this past season’s playoffs and they were eliminated?  Of course.

 

Will I be disappointed if they don’t win another title before Curry retires?  Absolutely.  When you have a team that is good enough to contend, you end up wanting as many titles as they can get before it crumbles away.

 

That’s why so many of us expect and want to see this Bills team with Josh take advantage and win one.

[uticaclub]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

Step up your game. We’ve never had a #1 seed or hosted an AFC Championship Game. Who talks about Dan Fouts and the Chargers? Hardly anyone. Without a Super Bowl win, that’s what this team is. I’m 40 years old, and if we don’t make it with Allen, I might not be around at 60 to see another opportunity. Spoiled? What's the point of rooting for the team if beating the Dolphins is your highest achievement?

 

[Sierra Foothills]

33 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Step up your game. We’ve never had a #1 seed or hosted an AFC Championship Game. Who talks about Dan Fouts and the Chargers? Hardly anyone. Without a Super Bowl win, that’s what this team is. I’m 40 years old, and if we don’t make it with Allen, I might not be around at 60 to see another opportunity. Spoiled? What's the point of rooting for the team if beating the Dolphins is your highest achievement?

 

 

I understand what you're saying. I'm in my 60s and have been a fan since 1968... a few years after the 2 AFL Championships and just in time for many decades of mostly bad football.

 

As for stepping up my game, I'm happy with life... it has exceeded my expectations. I recognize that I've been very lucky and possibly have more than I deserve. Maybe that's why I have less riding on the Bills... because it would seem greedy to ask for more than I already have.

 

Of course I post here multiple times a day so I care about the Bills a lot, but my happiness doesn't hinge on the team and I place my achievements and the Bills achievements in different buckets.

 

Anyways it's a good discussion and I feel like I understand better why some people feel the way they do.

 

[Puckman5]

4 hours ago, BananaB said:

This is funny because the Chiefs without Mahommes were a double digit winning team that routinely made the playoffs and sometimes won their division. That’s who our main competition is. McDs Bills before Allen barely snuck into the playoffs once  and before Allen’s jump looked pretty ***** mediocre. Right now, without Allen, this is not a playoff team and would probably be lucky to have .500 record. I think most people can agree on that. While some people seem insufferable to others it’s because some are happy just winning games and to scared about the past. Others want a Super Bowl and are seeing no improvements that will help this team get over the hump. The O has made improvements because of Brady system and Allen being Allen, but the D is the problem. That’s where most of us have the frustration with this team. We got a defensive minded HC and his D consistently lets this team down in the same fashion. 

I like the leadership and stability McDermott and Beane have brought, but I also feel this is spot on.  The D has been good at times, but never great.  Far too much bending and it breaks when needed most.  Is it the players, the system, the coaching?  The D is Mcdermott's baby and it would be nice to see him own the failures and adapt a bit.  

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, Puckman5 said:

I like the leadership and stability McDermott and Beane have brought, but I also feel this is spot on.  The D has been good at times, but never great.  Far too much bending and it breaks when needed most.  Is it the players, the system, the coaching?  The D is Mcdermott's baby and it would be nice to see him own the failures and adapt a bit.  

 

The Bills added 6 draft picks and 3 prominent free agents to the defensive side and added Senior Defensive Assistant Ryan Nielsen and Co-DL Coach Jason Rebrovich to the defensive coaching staff.

 

Don't you think that's an attempt to adapt?

 

[Bad Things]

6 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

 

Yes, perhaps they're spoiled... however, I think they're just Incels that yearn to get laid, but never can.  They project their sexual frustrations out on the Beene regime, thinking a Super Bowl win will feel like finally, FINALLY getting laid.

 

INCEL: An incel, short for "involuntary celibate," is a member of an online subculture, primarily composed of men, who feel unable to find romantic or sexual partners despite wanting to. They often express frustration and blame women for their lack of relationships, sometimes leading to misogynistic attitudes and behaviors.

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

The Bills added 6 draft picks and 3 prominent free agents to the defensive side and added Senior Defensive Assistant Ryan Nielsen and Co-DL Coach Jason Rebrovich to the defensive coaching staff.

 

Don't you think that's an attempt to adapt?

 

Should we be happy with this before we see results? A couple years ago we bagging Beane to draft players on O because a lot of high picks were used on D.

 

13 seconds was 4 or 5 years ago, the D was a lot better then so who’s to say just adding players fixes the problem?  Seen Bellichik adapt to his players strength numerous times over the years on D. Bills keep trying to fit a system that seems to be a weakness itself when playing better offences. 

[Sierra Foothills]

42 minutes ago, Puckman5 said:

I like the leadership and stability McDermott and Beane have brought, but I also feel this is spot on.  The D has been good at times, but never great.  Far too much bending and it breaks when needed most.  Is it the players, the system, the coaching?  The D is Mcdermott's baby and it would be nice to see him own the failures and adapt a bit.  

 

34 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The Bills added 6 draft picks and 3 prominent free agents to the defensive side and added Senior Defensive Assistant Ryan Nielsen and Co-DL Coach Jason Rebrovich to the defensive coaching staff.

 

Don't you think that's an attempt to adapt?

 

 

11 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Should we be happy with this before we see results? A couple years ago we bagging Beane to draft players on O because a lot of high picks were used on D.

 

13 seconds was 4 or 5 years ago, the D was a lot better then so who’s to say just adding players fixes the problem?  Seen Bellichik adapt to his players strength numerous times over the years on D. Bills keep trying to fit a system that seems to be a weakness itself when playing better offences. 

 

I'm not telling anyone to be happy or not... I'm saying they adapted.

 

It's pretty clear that 11 significant moves on defense (6+3+2) are an attempt to address a deficiency ("adapt a bit") as I was suggesting to Puckman.

 

Feel however the hell you want.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

That's a misery I've waited my entire life to have.

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

 

 

13 seconds was 4 or 5 years ago, the D was a lot better then so who’s to say just adding players fixes the problem?  Seen Bellichik adapt to his players strength numerous times over the years on D. Bills keep trying to fit a system that seems to be a weakness itself when playing better offences. 

Great point. And while there is elements when the coaching staff does this even if it isn’t routinely noticed, it seems to be a very linear way of draw defense as a whole. It’s system A, no ifs ands or buts. It has to be the exact type of player and if it’s not, the issue is forced or addressed solely by position rather than the best available talent. 
 

Drafting then becomes the issues I’m sure most have. There’s a few problems we are encountering because of this mindset and lack of foresight. Draft the best player available, not solely for a system or need. 
 

The same things have been the problems for a few seasons now; WR, DLine and Secondary. Thank goodness they hit on Benford cause that unit is a disaster without him. 

Edited August 26 by Sojourner

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

Entitled to what exactly? Just curious.

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, Bad Things said:

 

Yes, perhaps they're spoiled... however, I think they're just Incels that yearn to get laid, but never can.  They project their sexual frustrations out on the Beene regime, thinking a Super Bowl win will feel like finally, FINALLY getting laid.

 

INCEL: An incel, short for "involuntary celibate," is a member of an online subculture, primarily composed of men, who feel unable to find romantic or sexual partners despite wanting to. They often express frustration and blame women for their lack of relationships, sometimes leading to misogynistic attitudes and behaviors.

 

Thanks for the definition of INCEL.  Since I spent 2/3s of my life in the previous century, I'm sadly ignorant of current slang.  I finally figured out that something that's "dope" is really good.

[Gregg]

13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

 

Some fans might be this way, but most would be happy with one. At least the desperation to win one will be gone for all Bills fans. Of course I want them to win two, three and so forth but just give me one and I won't complain ever again. I will happily sit through a rebuild which will probably happen once 17 retires if they can just win one while he is our QB.

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

This is a great point... that longtime fans are running out of patience and just want to win the prize... I get it.

 

 

But some of the stuff I read here just seems to lack any kind of perspective.

 

 

 

As soon as they win the first one, they will be equally insufferable about getting the second one. They just think having zero SB victories makes it special and gives them an excuse. Count on it. Nobody is ever going to say “well, we won it all a couple years ago, so missing the playoffs this year is fine.” They want to swing big and go all in, unless they miss. Look at the people complaining about how predictable it was that old Von Miller got hurt. 

 

 

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Edited August 26 by Augie

[BananaB]

7 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

I'm not telling anyone to be happy or not... I'm saying they adapted.

 

It's pretty clear that 11 significant moves on defense (6+3+2) are an attempt to address a deficiency ("adapt a bit") as I was suggesting to Puckman.

 

Feel however the hell you want.

 

They ain’t significant until we see the results. Yeah they addressed it but they have been putting a lot into since they drafted Allen. It wasn’t until the Kincaid pick that they started putting an emphasis on O at draft time.