PoundingDog Posted August 2 Posted August 2 I found several several tidbits interesting. I know Vic has a lot of connections and thus inside info. His story of Beane sold Josh Allen to McDermott and Pegula is new to me. I don't know who Koshinski is until he introduced himself. Sounds like he has a lot of inside stories from the early 90s Bills. Vic's explanation of why the Bills are viewed highly by national media this year (as a superbowl favorite) beckons with me. The Bills last year was very close to the Superbowl. And this year they really didn't lose anything significant while added some pieces. Logics says they will still be very close to the Superbowl. One additional key to me is the growth of Allen last year. I have more confidence in Allen maintaining the level he achieved than anyone else on this team. Koshinski compared Kincaid's drop last year against the Chiefs to the Eli Manning's pass to David Tyree, saying Allen just hasn't gotten that kind of play yo upset a juggernaut is legit. Good point. Another point they talked about the 13 seconds where the Chiefs of the world expecting to win in any situations. This is something the Bills are lacking but I feel somehow this team is better prepared than ever in that department. Lacking a HoF guy like Kelce obviously matters. I just feel the gap is narrower. Carucci's observation of Spencer Brown being skinny has me worried some. His point is that the back injury may have impacted his off-season workout and Lineman easily shrink and lose strength without proper workout even taking the right supplements. 2 10 Quote
US Egg Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Carruci was always fair, no frills, old school type. Chef’s is overrated. 4 4 3 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Bob Koshinski was a person from Empire Sports 1 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted August 2 Posted August 2 6 hours ago, US Egg said: Carruci was always fair, no frills, old school type. Chef’s is overrated. I like Vic as he does a show in Saturdays on Sirius with Dan Leberfeld (Jets reporter) for years. No frills analysis and relatively fair minded. A little dry, but again fair. They are the opposite of Hot Take. I don’t know on Brown. He’s back on the field so I don’t know about the weight loss. He’s been rock solid for two years, and sure he had back soreness. Nothing right now to get over hyped about and we’ll see week 1. 2 Quote
davefan66 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Bob Koshinski was a person from Empire Sports GM of Empire. Was also the sports director at WKBW before that. 2 1 Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted August 2 Posted August 2 I can tell you from experience you can’t really do leg workouts when you’ve got a back injury. That is troubling to read about Spencer Brown I hope they get it figured out. Grable is a dude but Brown is trending elite. Quote
eball Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Vic is super knowledgeable and never goes out on a limb. I do think he sometimes gets stuck in an “old school” mentality but in today’s world where everyone in the media is trying to have a hot take he is a welcome reminder of what reporting and commentary used to be. 3 1 1 Quote
SCBills Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) A lot of good takes you summarized from them. The point about Tyree’s catch is great. If you look at recent Bills games vs the Chiefs no one makes that play, except for 13 seconds when the coaching staff and defense imploded with the game all but won if they do anything different on the 3 plays.. kickoff, pass #1, pass #2. Diggs drops a bomb in a pivotal moment.. one of the best clutch deep throws you’ll ever see. Dawkins gets immediately blown up by Chris Jones on a would be go ahead by 4 TD with 1:30 left, followed by a Bass missed chip shot FG. Kincaid drops an absolute instantly would-be iconic playoff throw by Allen, Bills lose. Who can think of a play the Chiefs have failed to make around Mahomes in critical moments like that? He had a game where MVS, of all people, was making miraculous clutch catches. The closest you could come to a failure in a clutch spot was when Mahomes, himself, got sacked by Milano this past year late in the game to take the Chiefs out of FG position. Even then though, this wasn’t a final drive.. just the closest thing that comes to mind. This has been the difference between us and them (this and injuries). Which is why everyone understandably gets crazy, willing to do whatever it takes, if a Parsons somehow were actually to become available. Allen has never had another elite running mate while in Buffalo. Not even Diggs.. great regular season player, but shrunk in the Playoffs here. Mahomes, year in, year out, walks out of the tunnel to face the Bills with multiple Hall of Famers by his side. Edited August 2 by SCBills 2 5 2 Quote
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 I miss the Empire days, especially for out of towners that was a great way to stay connected to the local takes on the team. Koshinski, Simon, Brinson, Maquire, even Artie-baby-boo boo😁 2 Quote
WotAGuy Posted August 3 Posted August 3 On 8/1/2025 at 10:50 PM, PoundingDog said: Carucci's observation of Spencer Brown being skinny has me worried some. His point is that the back injury may have impacted his off-season workout and Lineman easily shrink and lose strength without proper workout even taking the right supplements. The Bills have a couple guys that know a thing or two about supplements. 3 Quote
T.E. Posted August 3 Posted August 3 On 8/1/2025 at 10:50 PM, PoundingDog said: I found several several tidbits interesting. I know Vic has a lot of connections and thus inside info. His story of Beane sold Josh Allen to McDermott and Pegula is new to me. New to me too, and I 100% believe it. McDermott probably wanted to bring in someone like Brian Hoyer and run the ball 46 times a game. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted August 3 Posted August 3 On 8/2/2025 at 8:41 AM, SCBills said: A lot of good takes you summarized from them. The point about Tyree’s catch is great. If you look at recent Bills games vs the Chiefs no one makes that play, except for 13 seconds when the coaching staff and defense imploded with the game all but won if they do anything different on the 3 plays.. kickoff, pass #1, pass #2. Diggs drops a bomb in a pivotal moment.. one of the best clutch deep throws you’ll ever see. Dawkins gets immediately blown up by Chris Jones on a would be go ahead by 4 TD with 1:30 left, followed by a Bass missed chip shot FG. Kincaid drops an absolute instantly would-be iconic playoff throw by Allen, Bills lose. Who can think of a play the Chiefs have failed to make around Mahomes in critical moments like that? He had a game where MVS, of all people, was making miraculous clutch catches. The closest you could come to a failure in a clutch spot was when Mahomes, himself, got sacked by Milano this past year late in the game to take the Chiefs out of FG position. Even then though, this wasn’t a final drive.. just the closest thing that comes to mind. This has been the difference between us and them (this and injuries). Which is why everyone understandably gets crazy, willing to do whatever it takes, if a Parsons somehow were actually to become available. Allen has never had another elite running mate while in Buffalo. Not even Diggs.. great regular season player, but shrunk in the Playoffs here. Mahomes, year in, year out, walks out of the tunnel to face the Bills with multiple Hall of Famers by his side. We never have given Allen a superbowl level talent around him,not like Mahomes has had in KC. Hell, Allen still doesnt have the WR's that Jackson has. I feel,and hope, our team steps it up this year. Allen deserves it. 2 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) On 8/2/2025 at 9:41 AM, SCBills said: A lot of good takes you summarized from them. The point about Tyree’s catch is great. If you look at recent Bills games vs the Chiefs no one makes that play, except for 13 seconds when the coaching staff and defense imploded with the game all but won if they do anything different on the 3 plays.. kickoff, pass #1, pass #2. Diggs drops a bomb in a pivotal moment.. one of the best clutch deep throws you’ll ever see. Dawkins gets immediately blown up by Chris Jones on a would be go ahead by 4 TD with 1:30 left, followed by a Bass missed chip shot FG. Kincaid drops an absolute instantly would-be iconic playoff throw by Allen, Bills lose. Who can think of a play the Chiefs have failed to make around Mahomes in critical moments like that? He had a game where MVS, of all people, was making miraculous clutch catches. The closest you could come to a failure in a clutch spot was when Mahomes, himself, got sacked by Milano this past year late in the game to take the Chiefs out of FG position. Even then though, this wasn’t a final drive.. just the closest thing that comes to mind. This has been the difference between us and them (this and injuries). Which is why everyone understandably gets crazy, willing to do whatever it takes, if a Parsons somehow were actually to become available. Allen has never had another elite running mate while in Buffalo. Not even Diggs.. great regular season player, but shrunk in the Playoffs here. Mahomes, year in, year out, walks out of the tunnel to face the Bills with multiple Hall of Famers by his side. The only Hall of famer who was playing well for the Chiefs last year outside of Patrick mahomes was jones Travis Kelce is absolutely slowing down.. he's not going to beat you by himself anymore This is why as I'm always said it takes as much luck as skill... Because at the highest level the margin of error is a razor small The Chiefs are not head and shoulders better than us... it's been coin flips I've seen the Chiefs have plenty of bad plays in the playoffs.. the difference is bills were consistently seeing them down 2-3 starters on defense.. and the margin is razor thin in the playoffs When the Chiefs lost two players in the secondary Josh Allen looked unstoppable in that playoff game and made Gabe Davis look like Jerry Rice.. we lost to a coin flip... That's the difference... When the Chiefs lost two starters in the secondary they were a sieve... We have been down 2-3 starters consistently in the playoffs versus the Chiefs The Chiefs had some injuries.. but they happened week 7 of the regular season.. they had 12 weeks to adjust as professionals... The bills lose three guys 1 week before playing the Chiefs And then lose our starting corner during the game In the playoffs where the margin of error is so small that is the difference... Elam got picked on... If Christian Benford doesn't get hurt, bills not allowing 32 We have enough talent top to bottom one through 52 to win a super bowl.. our record The last 5 years and our points against all show that.. it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl which has not been on our side If we had Lady luck Norwood doesn't miss wide right.. we haven't had luck in big games for a long time.. not the roll of the bounce, not calls from the officials, or coin tosses Eli Manning needed some luck to win his super bowl.. helmet catch Edited August 4 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Recall in the 90's had the Bills Roundtable once a week, Vic, Larry Felser and can't recall the other two, think it may have also been Sully?? Always enjoyed the show. Quote
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