3 Historical trends why KC doesn’t make playoffs or loses in Wildcard game

[PoundingDog]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

This stuff is said every year. In every division.

 

how many years in a row have we heard that the Jets/Dolphins could be dangerous? Now it’s the Pats that could be dangerous.

 

Despite that, anyone picking against the Bills to win their division?

I do think it matters. Harbough has a reputation of turning around in 2 years and whereever he goes, you can expect he invests heavily on the lines. I can easily see the Bills looking at Chargers Chiefs game tape to give us some new idea when playing the Chiefs. Peyton got Bo Nix to play at an adequate level into the playoffs last year. 2nd year for Bo, you gotta think its a toupher out for the Chiefs as well. Carrol may not have the horses. But he did bring the best QB the Raiders have for the last few years.

 

That said, I'd still bet the Chiefs winning the division. They have a 30-6 divisional record last 6 years (and that includes throwawy games like last year's season finale at Denver). I'm in the camp that the average of 1 loss in the division a season for the Chiefs likely comes to an end. 

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, PoundingDog said:

Harbough has a reputation of turning around in 2 years and whereever he goes, you can expect he invests heavily on the lines. I

He already turned around the Chargers. They went from picking top 5 to playoffs.

 

The Chiefs have the best QB and the best HC in the division. That’s a recipe for dominance.

[PoundingDog]

6 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He already turned around the Chargers. They went from picking top 5 to playoffs.

Well, I consider the previous regime mis-managed a talented roster severely. Harbough merely brought out what they can be last year. But that is not his team. He has his QB for sure. His investment into the line and running attack style should give Bills some insight on how to handle the Chiefs. I strongly believed had the Bill used Cook more, the outcome of last year playoff game might be very different. 

Edited August 2 by PoundingDog

[NORWOODS FOOT]

2 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

Well, I consider the previous regime mis-managed a talented roster severely. Harbough merely brought out what they can be last year. But that is not his team. He has his QB for sure. His investment into the line and running attack style should give Bills some insight on how to handle the Chiefs. I strongly believed had the Bill used Cook more, the outcome of last year playoff game might be very different. 

This passing league is fun - especially having Allen. 
 

But man, I sure enjoyed watching those running game of old with guys like Jerome Bettis and Jamal Lewis where the D knew what was coming but couldn’t stop it. Made protecting leads in the 4th a bit easier too.
 

In a dream world, the Bills would also have big power back to help grind the D down. Paired with Allen, that would be incredible. Not too many guys like that just lying around these days. Now they play other positions.

[Alphadawg7]

With or without this workup, I already felt their best case scenario was the 3 seed at best, and would not reach the AFCCG and snap their 7 consecutive trips to the AFCCG streak.  But good write up none the less.  

 

Some have them being even better this year, but I don't think its the case.  Playoffs sure - but I don't think they will beat either Balt or Buff in the playoffs, and I think they will face one of them in the 2nd round and that will be their exit.  

[Sierra Foothills]

8 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

But man, I sure enjoyed watching those running game of old with guys like Jerome Bettis and Jamal Lewis where the D knew what was coming but couldn’t stop it. Made protecting leads in the 4th a bit easier too. In a dream world, the Bills would also have big power back to help grind the D down. Paired with Allen, that would be incredible. Not too many guys like that just lying around these days. Now they play other positions.

 

The Texans value those guys because they have two... Joe Mixon and Nick Chubb, who any team could have signed and I would have been happy if the Bills had.

 

AJ Dillon was drafted for that purpose. James Connor is a power back. Every year for the past 4 years, D'Onta Foreman has been a free agent.

 

Those guys are still out there and available though they don't seem to be valued very much in today's NFL.

 

Though he's not tall, I believe Ray Davis, who's built like a fire hydrant (5'8" 220 lbs), can play that role.

 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

The Texans value those guys because they have two... Joe Mixon and Nick Chubb, who any team could have signed and I would have been happy if the Bills had.

 

AJ Dillon was drafted for that purpose. James Connor is a power back. Every year for the past 4 years, D'Onta Foreman has been a free agent.

 

Those guys are still out there and available though they don't seem to be valued very much in today's NFL.

 

Though he's not tall, I believe Ray Davis, who's built like a fire hydrant (5'8" 220 lbs), can play that role.

 

Good points. 
 

I hope Davis can be that player. He does have good power. I’m looking forward to seeing him this season with a year of NFL level training under his belt. 
 

I forgot about Chubb. When he was released I hoped we would sign him but knew we wouldn’t because we already have those spots filled on the roster. 
 

In the next draft I’m not convinced we should spend a high pick on a running back (and almost certainly won’t) but hypothetically it would be a lot of fun to have Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa on the roster. 
 

I guess I’m getting old - I miss those power run games! 
 

Power running, great D, perfect special teams, pass when you must… haha

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

Good points. 
 

I hope Davis can be that player. He does have good power. I’m looking forward to seeing him this season with a year of NFL level training under his belt. 
 

I forgot about Chubb. When he was released I hoped we would sign him but knew we wouldn’t because we already have those spots filled on the roster. 
 

In the next draft I’m not convinced we should spend a high pick on a running back (and almost certainly won’t) but hypothetically it would be a lot of fun to have Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa on the roster. 
 

I guess I’m getting old - I miss those power run games! 
 

Power running, great D, perfect special teams, pass when you must… haha

 

Yeah, I would have been pleased with a Nick Chubb signing though I'm not sure it would have been a wise move, roster-wise.

 

Also I think when the Bills signed Latavius Murray a few years ago, they were going for that type of player but he proved to either not have much left in the tank or was possibly a bad fit for the Bills run scheme.

 

[Sojourner]

3 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He already turned around the Chargers. They went from picking top 5 to playoffs.

 

The Chiefs have the best QB and the best HC in the division. That’s a recipe for dominance.

yeah, that division is rough. Will be even tougher now with Geno Smith and the Raiders. 
 

Will give them some due they picked that high before Harbaugh; they lost Herbert for the last third of the season. 
 

Even then, that’s  crazy given they have a guy who’s anointed as on of the top 10, borderline top 5 guys at that position in the league. There’s talent there it’s just the coaching has let them down. As it did again in the playoffs against Houston. 
 

Like Herbert’s game but the guy has been a dud in the two playoff games he’s made and it isn’t even close. 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He already turned around the Chargers. They went from picking top 5 to playoffs.

 

The Chiefs have the best QB and the best HC in the division. That’s a recipe for dominance.

And the best DC in spagnola. 

[thenorthremembers]

Chiefs arent missing the playoffs unless Mahomes misses significant time.    

[Success]

All I know is that the idea that the Chiefs end our season again cannot happen.

 

I really broke after the loss last year. You can search my posts if you want confirmation of that.  I never thought I'd break like that about a stupid game.

 

 

 

[BillsFan619]

48 minutes ago, Success said:

All I know is that the idea that the Chiefs end our season again cannot happen.

 

I really broke after the loss last year. You can search my posts if you want confirmation of that.  I never thought I'd break like that about a stupid game.

 

 

 

Glad you came out of that, bro. Also, pretty cool that you can talk about it.

Edited August 3 by BillsFan619

[Johnnycage46]

There is almost zero chance KC misses the playoffs. In fact, recent history would say they will be in the SB again. They are the new patriots.

[Sojourner]

15 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

There is almost zero chance KC misses the playoffs. In fact, recent history would say they will be in the SB again. They are the new patriots.

I dunno man. The AFC is stacked in general and if Bo Nix and the Broncos can improve from last year, the Chargers actually show up and the Raiders can get some semblance of what Geno Smith has shown with a possible workhorse in Jeanty, then that West might not be theirs. 
 

Aside from the blowout, starters resting, to end the season against Denver… the other 5 divisional games were all one score. 
 

Im not in the camp they miss them. I think they make them but zero chance? That’s a bit unjust to their division and the AFC as a whole. 

[RoscoeParrish]

9 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

I dunno man. The AFC is stacked in general and if Bo Nix and the Broncos can improve from last year, the Chargers actually show up and the Raiders can get some semblance of what Geno Smith has shown with a possible workhorse in Jeanty, then that West might not be theirs. 
 

Aside from the blowout, starters resting, to end the season against Denver… the other 5 divisional games were all one score. 
 

Im not in the camp they miss them. I think they make them but zero chance? That’s a bit unjust to their division and the AFC as a whole. 

The entire AFCW also plays each other.

 

Let’s say the Chiefs go 3-3 in their division. Do you think there will be another team in their division that goes better than 3-3? They all have to play the Chiefs twice. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

And the best DC in spagnola. 

That's one of the biggest over ratings that people tend to do here 

 

I'm not saying he's not very good he is 

 

But even sean McDermott Total defense wise is even on a higher tier... Which is why it's crazy people bash McDermott 

 

I could just break this down purely by numbers 

 

Steve spagnola has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 

 

Sean McDermott has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 

 

Spagnola YPG allowed - 5 top 10 defenses 

McDermott -8

 

spagnola PPG allowed - 7 top 10..5 bottom5

McDermott - 6 top 10, 1 bottom 5

 

Takeaways- spagnola - 4 top 10

McDermott - 14 top 10... 8 top 5

 

Rushing defense top 10- spagnola- 5 top 10

McDermott - 6 top 10

 

Passing defense yards per game- spagnola - 4 top 10

McDermott - 5 top ten

 

Passing touchdowns allowed- spagnola - 6 top 10

McDermott - 8 top 10

 

Sean McDermott is on a world class level of creating a defense that forces turnovers year in and year out.. he's in Bill belichick territory with that.. generally turnovers fluctuate year to year... Not with a McDermott or Bill belichick defense 

 

The only difference is spagnola has had relatively very healthy defenses in January and February.. Sean McDermott has been playing third string linebackers, backup safeties and cornerbacks 

 

We had eight defensive players on the injury report going into our playoff game versus the Chiefs last year lol

 

You can't overcome that in NFL playoff games where the margin of error is so small.. And we were still right there 

 

That's the difference... Sean McDermott is absolutely top to bottom a better developer of talent and has a very successful system when he has the players

 

 

Edited August 3 by Buffalo716

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's one of the biggest over ratings that people tend to do here 

 

I'm not saying he's not very good he is 

 

But even sean McDermott Total defense wise is even on a higher tier... Which is why it's crazy people bash McDermott 

 

I could just break this down purely by numbers 

 

Steve spagnola has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 

 

Sean McDermott has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 

 

Spagnola YPG allowed - 5 top 10 defenses 

McDermott -8

 

spagnola PPG allowed - 7 top 10..5 bottom5

McDermott - 6 top 10, 1 bottom 5

 

Takeaways- spagnola - 4 top 10

McDermott - 14 top 10... 8 top 5

 

Rushing defense top 10- spagnola- 5 top 10

McDermott - 6 top 10

 

Passing defense yards per game- spagnola - 4 top 10

McDermott - 5 top ten

 

Passing touchdowns allowed- spagnola - 6 top 10

McDermott - 8 top 10

 

The only difference is spagnola has had relatively very healthy defenses in January and February.. Sean McDermott has been playing third string linebackers, backup safeties and cornerbacks 

 

We had eight defensive players on the injury report going into our playoff game versus the Chiefs last year lol

 

You can't overcome that in NFL playoff games where the margin of error is so small.. And we were still right there 

 

That's the difference... Sean McDermott is absolutely top to bottom a better developer of talent and has a very successful system when he has the players

 

 

That’s great for stat accumulations and all, but Spags has absolute defensive masterclasses in the NFL playoffs all over his resume whereas Sean does not. And that matters.
 

Some may say that matters more than who finished top 10 defensively more 15 years ago.

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

That’s great for stat accumulations and all, but Spags has absolute defensive masterclasses in the NFL playoffs all over his resume whereas Sean does not. And that matters.
 

Some may say that matters more than who finished top 10 defensively more 15 years ago.

 

Spagnola goes into playoffs with relatively healthy defenses 

 

Sean McDermott has had gutted defenses for the majority of our playoff runs 

 

That's why it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl.. if we have Christian Benford and Taylor rapp fully healthy for four quarters we win .. we barely lost as is

 

 that's the difference... The Chiefs had three players on the injury report we had 12 eight on defense 

 

You can't overcome that when the margin of error is so small at the highest levels in the biggest games 

 

That's why it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl 

 

Nobody who works in the NFL would take Steve spagnola over Sean McDermott to run their defense for one game

 

Spagnola has had some really really really really bad defenses.. hes also had an All pro pass rusher in Jones and the other guy coming off the edge karlaftis has more sacks than any defensive end we have.... An all pro corner who played in the playoffs... and a middle linebacker just as good as Bernard...

 

Sean McDermott gets it done with practice squad linebackers like AJ Klein who was basically retired when we brought him up for the playoffs... And he's turned sixth round picks like Benford into studs.. undrafted guys like Levi Wallace into NFL players and 7th round picks like Dane Jackson... There's zero doubt in my mind that if you took McDermott and spagnola.. and you gave them access to all 32 teams to coach their defenses for one game... Sean McDermott would have the much better result across 32 teams

 

Spagnola does need a lot of talent.. his defenses have never worked with average.. Sean McDermott turns average players into good football players 

 

Spagnola has a lot of bad defenses on his resume.. McDermott has three bottom 10 defenses spagnola has seven 

 

That shows what they do with less than ideal

Edited August 3 by Buffalo716

[RoscoeParrish]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Spagnola goes into playoffs with relatively healthy defenses 

 

Sean McDermott has had gutted defenses for the majority of our playoff runs 

 

That's why it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl.. if we have Christian Benford and Taylor rapp fully healthy for four quarters we win .. we barely lost as is

 

 that's the difference... The Chiefs had three players on the injury report we had 12 eight on defense 

 

You can't overcome that when the margin of error is so small at the highest levels in the biggest games 

 

That's why it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl 

 

Nobody who works in the NFL would take Steve spagnola over Sean McDermott to run their defense for one game

 

Spagnola has had some really really really really bad defenses.. he literally needs pro bowl pieces all over to make it work .. Sean McDermott gets it done with practice squad linebackers and undrafted cornerbacks

 

Spagnola does need a lot of talent.. his defenses have never worked with average.. Sean McDermott turns average players into good football players 

 

Spagnola has a lot of bad defenses on his resume.. McDermott has three bottom 10 defenses spagnola has seven 

 

That shows what they do with less than ideal

Kinda feel like you are overstating the injuries a bit.

 

KC lost their best WR and their best RB for the season and they were on their like 3rd LT of the season.

 

Feel like that definitely offsets losing Taylor Rapp and Benford.

 

you will have to remind me all the defensive talent the Panthers were missing in Super Bowl 50 when the Broncos put up 24 points after only scoring 22 PPG all season. I seem to recall elite players like Norman and Kuechly playing that day.