Bills have a playoff problem..It’s not Josh Allen (Warren Sharp)

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I’m speaking specifically to end of game drives when it score to win scenarios in the playoffs. Brady/Mahomes are ahead of everyone, merchants of death level nuts. Literally the remaining field is a notch below them.

if you like i can show you some statistics that attempt to disprove this

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I’m speaking specifically to end of game drives when it score to win scenarios in the playoffs. Brady/Mahomes are ahead of everyone, merchants of death level nuts. Literally the remaining field is a notch below them.

How would you feel if McDermott/Frazier whoever didn’t botch 13 seconds (Mahomes didn’t do anything - we literally gave him two free passes) and Kincaid makes the catch?

 

We go onto win that game and Allen is immortalized in Playoff history for that play. 
 

And I get it.. what happened happened and we lost.  The winners write history, but my goodness it’s so annoying having these discussions knowing Allen should be in the discussion .. not this Mahomes/Brady are one tier and then Allen.  
 

 

Edited July 31 by SCBills

[GoBills808]

@corta765

 

this is a measure of 'clutch' using what they deem a 'pickable pass' (dubious metric for me) and success rate (reliable stat imo) of QBs in playoffs

 

this is their regular season vs playoff 'clutch' differential

 

i dont have specifically end of game last drive stats but i can't imagine they're much different overall. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes it's our HC that can't even call a squib kick in the 13 seconds game 

 

Does anyone think think that Andy would make the same mistake ?

Just absolutely inexcusable. Something a casual Madden player would know how to do. Easily one of the worst examples of time management and in-game coaching ever witnessed. Even if we win a Lombardi, I will always wonder if it would’ve been TWO if McDermott didn’t flub it.

[Billl]

5 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Both Belichick and Reid are much better HC's the McDermott. Also, the Pats and Chiefs defenses play/played a lot better than the Bills defense in the playoffs. Both Brady and Mahomes never had to play in "God mode" like Allen does to give their teams a chance to win. 

Allen’s defenses have given up 19 PPG in the playoffs when they aren’t playing teams Quarterbacked by Mahomes.  They’ve given up 33 PPG when they are.

Edited July 31 by Billl

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

I saw this article from Warren Sharp he wrote in March it looks like. I couldn’t find it on here and used the search button didn’t see it. So I don’t think it has been posted. 
 

Great article showing how good Allen has been in the playoffs. I linked it below. 
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In the last five seasons, only two teams have exceeded 55 regular season wins: the Chiefs (66) and the Bills (61).

Regular season wins are fine…if they lead to better seeding and playoff success.

Despite the Chiefs and Bills both leading the NFL in total wins over the last five seasons and each making the playoffs all five seasons, the Bills lag behind in playoff success.

In the playoffs, the Chiefs have:

4 Conference Championships

2 Super Bowls

 

Meanwhile, the Bills have:

0 Conference Championships

0 Super Bowls

 

 

It is not so simple to suggest the Bills are great in the regular season and bad in the playoffs.

 

In fact, in the playoffs over the last five years, the Bills have 12 games played (second most in the NFL) and 7 wins (second most in the NFL).

Beyond that, they actually have a winning record in the NFL playoffs: 12 games, 7 wins, 5 losses.

 

There are only 6 other teams with a winning record in the playoffs the last five years, and ALL of them have at least one Conference Championship victory and Super Bowl appearance to show for it.

Chiefs

Rams

Eagles

Buccaneers

Bengals

49ers

 

read the rest in the link below…..

 

 

 

Allen is not the playoff problem

The Bills are averaging 30+ points on defense in their 5 playoff loss.....That is too hard to overcome even by the best offense...and yet we were within a FG to win in 3 out of those four losses.   

 

This is on Sean McDermott and Babich to fix the defense in the playoffs... Reid and Spagnalo have had has his numbers....

[uticaclub]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Im joking FFS dude. I’m so sick of people declaring wins don’t matter it’s all about a Super Bowl.  It’s like declaring you like steaks over dog *****. 

You never know sometimes 🤣

[T.E.]

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

You prefer regular season wins over playoff victories? Is a week 4 win against the Saints more significant than a conference championship?

Dude, a lot of Bills fans don't even care if they make a Super Bowl (let alone wine one) as long as they get to watch a team that consistently makes the playoffs. Completely traumatized from the drought. This will get downvoted, but it's 100% true and a pattern that has emerged on this very board.

[uticaclub]

1 minute ago, T.E. said:

Dude, a lot of Bills fans don't even care if they make a Super Bowl (let alone wine one) as long as they get to watch a team that consistently makes the playoffs. Completely traumatized from the drought. This will get downvoted, but it's 100% true and a pattern that has emerged on this very board.

I understand; that's why I wasn't sure if the OP was being sarcastic. I’m 40, and the drought years were some of my prime years. It’s Super Bowl or bust!

[T.E.]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I understand; that's why I wasn't sure if the OP was being sarcastic. I’m 40, and the drought years were some of my prime years. It’s Super Bowl or bust!

100% agree. If they don't win one during the Allen era, it will be a colossal failure. Colossal.

[DeltaDigital]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

i know you know. i actually read this a while ago 

 

all it does is confirm what ive been saying for like 3 years now. we have a fundamental possibly fatal postseason flaw. people will point to injuries but unless our playoff injury luck is outlandishly bad, like worst in NFL history bad, it cannot explain how we are getting consistent top tier postseason QB play and not having more success. and i don't believe that's been the case

 

it is imo statistically speaking borderline impossible to have the playoff numbers from the QB spot we do and not have multiple super bowl appearances. 

exactly. it's mcdermott. it's always been mcdermott. he's not going anywhere. so here's to hoping he figures it the F out. 

[uticaclub]

8 minutes ago, T.E. said:

100% agree. If they don't win one during the Allen era, it will be a colossal failure. Colossal.

McDermott will be the new Schottenheimer. 

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

@corta765

 

this is a measure of 'clutch' using what they deem a 'pickable pass' (dubious metric for me) and success rate (reliable stat imo) of QBs in playoffs

 

this is their regular season vs playoff 'clutch' differential

 

i dont have specifically end of game last drive stats but i can't imagine they're much different overall. 

What are you trying to debate here?  

[LABILLBACKER]

37 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Dude, a lot of Bills fans don't even care if they make a Super Bowl (let alone wine one) as long as they get to watch a team that consistently makes the playoffs. Completely traumatized from the drought. This will get downvoted, but it's 100% true and a pattern that has emerged on this very board.

I agree and it's embarrassing and disgusting...it's almost like a "fan defense mechanism" to avoid playoff disappointment and the yearly stress that goes with it.  Unfortunately the days of going for a championship as the ultimate goal are over.  This will be the new normal from our fans.

26 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

McDermott will be the new Schottenheimer. 

He already is

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

What are you trying to debate here?  

That Brady and Mahomes are in some playoff clutch tier of their own 

[gobills1212]

Lol, the guy who just came out from under the rock appreciates being brought up to speed!

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

8 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Sure, he's not the problem. But wouldn't you want the ball in his hands late in the game with a chance to win? Had that the last two years...

Lets just ignore the fact that the defense has given up 34.75 points to KC the last four playoff games against them. I suppose thats Allens fault as well. Give Allen a defensive performance like Philly gave Hurts in the Superbowl and we win by 35 in any of those games.

[Mikie2times]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That Brady and Mahomes are in some playoff clutch tier of their own 

I’m not sure how that graph defines “clutch”. I think points scored is critical in the postseason where with general performance on bigger samples advanced stats are perfectly reasonable.
 

In game winning drives in the playoffs, did you score or not? That is all the matters. As far as I recall Josh has had 4 drives, 2 vs Houston, 2 the last two years vs KC. He got three to tie the game vs Houston. Punted on the first OT drive. Missed FG vs KC and then turnover on downs vs KC. The rest of that work has to be 13 seconds. 

 

As far as executing ( scoring the required points to tie or take the lead) on drives under 2 minutes. I would be very hard pressed to believe anybody is better than those two. I’m sure it is clearly displayed in number of occurrences, % if successful

outcomes and other stats.  

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I’m not sure how that graph defines “clutch”. I think points scored is critical in the postseason where with general performance on bigger samples advanced stats are perfectly reasonable.
 

In game winning drives in the playoffs, did you score or not? That is all the matters. As far as I recall Josh has had 4 drives, 2 vs Houston, 2 the last two years vs KC. He got three to tie the game vs Houston. Punted on the first OT drive. Missed FG vs KC and then turnover on downs vs KC. The rest of that work has to be 13 seconds. 

 

As far as executing ( scoring the required points to tie or take the lead) on drives under 2 minutes. I would be very hard pressed to believe anybody is better than those two. I’m sure it is clearly displayed in number of occurrences, % if successful

outcomes and other stats.  

Yes that's what success rate refers to

[Thrivefourfive]

Ya know.. the Bills are an awesome football team. They’ve been near the top of the league for half a decade + — awesome with a capital “A”, baby! But from this position, there is a difference between the Champions and team #3. This front office and staff has to keep pushing the buttons for as long as Terry and Kim are behind them. The third element to it is the players. I hate to say it but I’d rank the three units for fulfilling their job duties towards winning the Super Bowl as 1. players; 2. front office; 3. coaching staff. 
 

I believe one of the reasons that if a coach/quarterback combo (or coach’s tenure) either wins the big one in the first few years together (or whatever) or not at all is because of over exposure—other teams figure them out. Since Allen is a much better football player than McDermott is a football coach (no disrespect intended here.. McD is very good) I believe it will be Beane firing McDermott and not the other way around if this doesn’t get done in the next three years. McDermott and HIS STAFF have to evolve and stay ahead of the curve, instead of being typical trash on defense in the final game of the season each year. 
 

Edited July 31 by Thrivefourfive