Billsfed1 Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Unicorn QB. For the 17 years of despair, we more than paid our price for that lol. 1 Quote
Figster Posted July 11 Posted July 11 21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Terry Bradshaw was the most surprising. Drew Brees not being on the list is surprising. I thought Kurt Warner might be on a list like this with the greatest show on turf O Quote
folz Posted July 11 Posted July 11 14 hours ago, rajinka said: I don't even have to read comments on that Twitter post to know it's littered with now do turnovers or doesn't mean anything without a championship 34 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Terry Bradshaw was the most surprising. Drew Brees not being on the list is surprising. I'm not sure how the original Twitter/X poster came up with his stats. I went to check on turnovers (per rajinka's post) and decided to look at TDs as well, but in a slightly different format. I did a TD per how many touches. After doing that (including passing/rushing attempts and receiving targets---all touches), I came out with Aaron Rodgers still being slightly ahead of Josh---if my numbers are correct (no doubt though that Josh will probably take the lead early this upcoming season). Bradshaw and Young also got a slight bump up on my TD list for whatever reason. Doc Brown mentioned Drew Brees, and Figster mentioned Kurt Warner, so I looked up those guys too, as well as Tom Brady. Brees came in at 18.5, Brady at 18.8, and Warner at 20.1 on my TD/Touch list. Just FYI. Anyhow, here is what I came up with for Turnovers and TDs per touch for the 8 players in the original post. Player Turnovers Per Touch Player Touchdowns Per Touch Terry Bradshaw* (TO every) 14.8 (touches) Aaron Rodgers (TD every) 16.71 (touches) Steve Young* 27.8 Josh Allen 16.75 Tony Romo 31.8 Peyton Manning 17.6 Peyton Manning 36.6 Steve Young 17.7 Josh Allen 39.9 Terry Bradshaw 17.8 Lamar Jackson 48.0 Patrick Mahomes 17.8 Patrick Mahomes 53.0 Tony Romo 18.1 Aaron Rodgers 57.3 Lamar Jackson 18.1 It really shows you how good Aaron Rodgers has been to be top of the TD list and bottom of the turnover list (surprising that has equated to only one Super Bowl appearance in 20 seasons). And on that note, it's interesting that 5 of those 8 QBs have a combined 2 SB appearances (as starting QBs), while the other 3 QBs have appeared in 13 combined Super Bowls...kind of shows that it is still a team game and how hard it is to actually reach a Super Bowl. [*For Bradshaw and Young (only), I could not find separate fumbles vs. fumbles lost lists. Not sure when the NFL started differentiating between a fumble and a lost fumble. So, their turnover/touch numbers may be better than they appear above (I assume back in the day a fumble was a fumble no matter who recovered it). However, if I include all of Josh's fumbles and not just lost fumbles (and he had a lot of fumbles that the Bills recovered), his number is still better than both of those older players. So the two players in question probably have slightly better numbers than are shown, but it wouldn't really affect their ranking. For all other QBs, I used fumbles lost stats, not total fumbles...because a recovered fumble is not a turnover.] 2 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 6 minutes ago, folz said: I'm not sure how the original Twitter/X poster came up with his stats. I went to check on turnovers (per rajinka's post) and decided to look at TDs as well, but in a slightly different format. I did a TD per how many touches. After doing that (including passing/rushing attempts and receiving targets---all touches), I came out with Aaron Rodgers still being slightly ahead of Josh---if my numbers are correct (no doubt though that Josh will probably take the lead early this upcoming season). Bradshaw and Young also got a slight bump up on my TD list for whatever reason. Doc Brown mentioned Drew Brees, and Figster mentioned Kurt Warner, so I looked up those guys too, as well as Tom Brady. Brees came in at 18.5, Brady at 18.8, and Warner at 20.1 on my TD/Touch list. Just FYI. Anyhow, here is what I came up with for Turnovers and TDs per touch for the 8 players in the original post. Player Turnovers Per Touch Player Touchdowns Per Touch Terry Bradshaw* (TO every) 14.8 (touches) Aaron Rodgers (TD every) 16.71 (touches) Steve Young* 27.8 Josh Allen 16.75 Tony Romo 31.8 Peyton Manning 17.6 Peyton Manning 36.6 Steve Young 17.7 Josh Allen 39.9 Terry Bradshaw 17.8 Lamar Jackson 48.0 Patrick Mahomes 17.8 Patrick Mahomes 53.0 Tony Romo 18.1 Aaron Rodgers 57.3 Lamar Jackson 18.1 It really shows you how good Aaron Rodgers has been to be top of the TD list and bottom of the turnover list (surprising that has equated to only one Super Bowl appearance in 20 seasons). And on that note, it's interesting that 5 of those 8 QBs have a combined 2 SB appearances (as starting QBs), while the other 3 QBs have appeared in 13 combined Super Bowls...kind of shows that it is still a team game and how hard it is to actually reach a Super Bowl. [*For Bradshaw and Young (only), I could not find separate fumbles vs. fumbles lost lists. Not sure when the NFL started differentiating between a fumble and a lost fumble. So, their turnover/touch numbers may be better than they appear above (I assume back in the day a fumble was a fumble no matter who recovered it). However, if I include all of Josh's fumbles and not just lost fumbles (and he had a lot of fumbles that the Bills recovered), his number is still better than both of those older players. So the two players in question probably have slightly better numbers than are shown, but it wouldn't really affect their ranking. For all other QBs, I used fumbles lost stats, not total fumbles...because a recovered fumble is not a turnover.] you probably didnt include playoffs Quote
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 16 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: That’s our MVP quarterback! Go Bills!! Ok, OP, well played. You know this type of data set for our boy is like catnip for us, and you will be handsomely rewarded with Lombardi Trophy emojis 🤩…myself included. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted July 11 Posted July 11 58 minutes ago, Figster said: I thought Kurt Warner might be on a list like this with the greatest show on turf O Warner from age 31 to 35 had a really rough five year stretch. Then he seemed to find himself again with the Cardinals to close his career. He's one of the few that started his career hot. Was middling and often injured in the middle. Then finished his final few years like he played his first few years. Really odd career arch. 1 1 Quote
folz Posted July 11 Posted July 11 49 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: you probably didnt include playoffs Yeah, not sure why I was assuming the original post was regular season only (which is what my list was). But even adding the playoffs (for just Josh and Aaron), I still get Rodgers just barely ahead in TDs/Touch for some reason (they both have performed well in the playoffs over the years). But as I said before, it doesn't really matter either way, it's so close, and because Josh will be clearly in front at some point this season, if he isn't already. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Josh. Obviously, in just 7 seasons, one of the best ever already. Rodgers 16.7274 Allen 16.8203 Quote
julian Posted July 11 Posted July 11 3 hours ago, folz said: Yeah, not sure why I was assuming the original post was regular season only (which is what my list was). But even adding the playoffs (for just Josh and Aaron), I still get Rodgers just barely ahead in TDs/Touch for some reason (they both have performed well in the playoffs over the years). But as I said before, it doesn't really matter either way, it's so close, and because Josh will be clearly in front at some point this season, if he isn't already. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Josh. Obviously, in just 7 seasons, one of the best ever already. Rodgers 16.7274 Allen 16.8203 1 1 Quote
BillytheKid Posted July 11 Posted July 11 (edited) 5 hours ago, folz said: I'm not sure how the original Twitter/X poster came up with his stats. I went to check on turnovers (per rajinka's post) and decided to look at TDs as well, but in a slightly different format. I did a TD per how many touches. After doing that (including passing/rushing attempts and receiving targets---all touches), I came out with Aaron Rodgers still being slightly ahead of Josh---if my numbers are correct (no doubt though that Josh will probably take the lead early this upcoming season). Bradshaw and Young also got a slight bump up on my TD list for whatever reason. Doc Brown mentioned Drew Brees, and Figster mentioned Kurt Warner, so I looked up those guys too, as well as Tom Brady. Brees came in at 18.5, Brady at 18.8, and Warner at 20.1 on my TD/Touch list. Just FYI. Anyhow, here is what I came up with for Turnovers and TDs per touch for the 8 players in the original post. Player Turnovers Per Touch Player Touchdowns Per Touch Terry Bradshaw* (TO every) 14.8 (touches) Aaron Rodgers (TD every) 16.71 (touches) Steve Young* 27.8 Josh Allen 16.75 Tony Romo 31.8 Peyton Manning 17.6 Peyton Manning 36.6 Steve Young 17.7 Josh Allen 39.9 Terry Bradshaw 17.8 Lamar Jackson 48.0 Patrick Mahomes 17.8 Patrick Mahomes 53.0 Tony Romo 18.1 Aaron Rodgers 57.3 Lamar Jackson 18.1 It really shows you how good Aaron Rodgers has been to be top of the TD list and bottom of the turnover list (surprising that has equated to only one Super Bowl appearance in 20 seasons). And on that note, it's interesting that 5 of those 8 QBs have a combined 2 SB appearances (as starting QBs), while the other 3 QBs have appeared in 13 combined Super Bowls...kind of shows that it is still a team game and how hard it is to actually reach a Super Bowl. [*For Bradshaw and Young (only), I could not find separate fumbles vs. fumbles lost lists. Not sure when the NFL started differentiating between a fumble and a lost fumble. So, their turnover/touch numbers may be better than they appear above (I assume back in the day a fumble was a fumble no matter who recovered it). However, if I include all of Josh's fumbles and not just lost fumbles (and he had a lot of fumbles that the Bills recovered), his number is still better than both of those older players. So the two players in question probably have slightly better numbers than are shown, but it wouldn't really affect their ranking. For all other QBs, I used fumbles lost stats, not total fumbles...because a recovered fumble is not a turnover.] Not sure how you exactly got those numbers but I did total passing attempts, total rushing attempts for regular season and playoffs. Didn’t do receiving because the QB would have touched it on those attempts anyways. I did it without including sacks and also with including sacks. In both cases Allen is far above Rodgers. without Sacks Allen score points every 14.87 touches Rodgers without sacks included is 16.72 with Sacks included Allen is at 15.60 with sacks Rodgers is at 17.69 The reason I did it with sacks and without was because I wasn’t sure if they count sacks as a passing attempt or rushing attempt already, so I did both just to make sure. Allen has better numbers even if you add his sacks to it and leave Rodgers sacks out. Allen still scores more often per touch. Mine are for regular season and playoffs but Allen would still be higher just on regular season alone also. So again I am not even sure how you came up with your numbers??? Edited July 11 by BillytheKid 3 Quote
Big Turk Posted July 11 Posted July 11 (edited) Also the most TDs/game in NFL history in both regular and post season. Essentially the most productive player the league has ever seen. Edited July 11 by Big Turk Quote
GoBills808 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 14 hours ago, folz said: Yeah, not sure why I was assuming the original post was regular season only (which is what my list was). But even adding the playoffs (for just Josh and Aaron), I still get Rodgers just barely ahead in TDs/Touch for some reason (they both have performed well in the playoffs over the years). But as I said before, it doesn't really matter either way, it's so close, and because Josh will be clearly in front at some point this season, if he isn't already. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Josh. Obviously, in just 7 seasons, one of the best ever already. Rodgers 16.7274 Allen 16.8203 well it's a rate stat so i wouldn't expect it to change much from season to season Quote
MJS Posted July 11 Posted July 11 18 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Terry Bradshaw was the most surprising. Drew Brees not being on the list is surprising. Brees did throw it a TON. So his touches are probably super high. 1 Quote
Albwan Posted July 11 Posted July 11 On 7/10/2025 at 5:20 PM, Albwan said: need a super bowl please. eyeroll? thats it? stupid. 1 Quote
sven233 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 And the thing is.....I still don't believe we've seen his best season yet. Quote
julian Posted July 11 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, sven233 said: And the thing is.....I still don't believe we've seen his best season yet. Yeah I’m thinking his best career season is going to look fake… 44 passing TDs 4800 passing yards 12 rushing TDs 650 rushing yards 5 INTs Its going to be epic. Quote
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