Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

[Maine-iac]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

iirc the Eagles were kind of middle of the pack in 2024 wrt sacks

 

They just kind of came alive during the playoffs and esp the Super Bowl. I mean Josh Sweat looked like Lawrence Taylor out there and he's just ok 

  I think running the ball is a key contributor to Allen turning the ball over less and not running the ball certainly didn't do Mahommes any favors vs the Eagles.  I'm not looking it up but I think they only gave the RB's 3 carries the whole first half so the Eagles just came after Mahommes and he made mistakes.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

  I think running the ball is a key contributor to Allen turning the ball over less and not running the ball certainly didn't do Mahommes any favors vs the Eagles.  I'm not looking it up but I think they only gave the RB's 3 carries the whole first half so the Eagles just came after Mahommes and he made mistakes.

i mean inasmuch as running the ball means Allen by definition can't throw a pick on that play then yes, I agree runs tend to correlate w QBs turning the ball over less. But I will basically never agree that taking the ball out of Allen/Mahomes hands in service of preventing turnovers is a good concept offensively

[Maine-iac]

12 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

An we wouldn't have won a shootout or even been competitive in a shootout with Baltimore. 

Wait what?  I must have missed some context on this one.  So we wouldn't have won a shootout with the team that we beat in a shootout?

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean inasmuch as running the ball means Allen by definition can't throw a pick on that play then yes, I agree runs tend to correlate w QBs turning the ball over less. But I will basically never agree that taking the ball out of Allen/Mahomes hands in service of preventing turnovers is a good concept offensively

I agree but for the sake of slowing down a pass rush running more the 3 times in a half will help your QB more than hurt.  Part of our problem pass rushing is that we play so light in the box that our Dline comes off the line looking for the run and never gets to the QB.  When we run on teams it makes Allen's job easier.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Wait what?  I must have missed some context on this one.  So we wouldn't have won a shootout with the team that we beat in a shootout?

Today I learned two QBs passing a total of 47 times for 381 yards is a shootout

[BillytheKid]

Let’s make this easy.

 

The Bills drafted some players just like the other 31 teams did. The Bills picked up some free agents just like the other 31 teams did.

 

No one knows how any of the teams will look with their new players until the games are played. 
 

Some of the teams with their drafted players and free agents will have a good year and some won’t.

 

Saying any one team won’t be good or bad before the season is just talk like every other off season. 
 

Just an article that was written so he could collect his paycheck showing he did work for that week. 

[Maine-iac]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Today I learned two QBs passing a total of 47 times for 381 yards is a shootout

Your also leaving out over 300 yards of rushing so almost 700 yards of offense total but I'll give you that shootout might be a little bit of a stretch.  When two teams score over 50 points and should of had more it certainly wasn't a defensive battle.  

Edited yesterday at 01:54 AM by Maine-iac

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I agree but for the sake of slowing down a pass rush running more the 3 times in a half will help your QB more than hurt.  Part of our problem pass rushing is that we play so light in the box that our Dline comes off the line looking for the run and never gets to the QB.  When we run on teams it makes Allen's job easier.

Right

The guy I responded to originally was asking why our dline doesn't get after the QB like the Eagles did in the SB...as you say different responsibilities make for different outcomes defensively

 

A simple way of saying it would be that (and granted I don't watch a ton of the Eagles so this is strictly a Super Bowl observation) they used their pass rush to contain the Chiefs downfield whereas we tend to do the opposite and rely primarily on coverage to dictate/muddy up reads

 

fundamentally different approaches (again one game sample)

[Maine-iac]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Right

The guy I responded to originally was asking why our dline doesn't get after the QB like the Eagles did in the SB...as you say different responsibilities make for different outcomes defensively

 

A simple way of saying it would be that (and granted I don't watch a ton of the Eagles so this is strictly a Super Bowl observation) they used their pass rush to contain the Chiefs downfield whereas we tend to do the opposite and rely primarily on coverage to dictate/muddy up reads

 

fundamentally different approaches (again one game sample)

I haven't researched it but I've been told the Eagles played a lot of coverage we play, they just did it better.  I'm really hoping as much for our additions in the secondary as I am for additions on the line.  

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

8 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, they suck so badly we are tied with the Ravens as SB favorites for the upcoming season (FanDuel), just ahead of the Eagles then the Chiefs. You can be unhappy with various things, but I think when you say they suck, you lose credibility. Just because it’s not what you want does not mean anything sucks. 

 

We are fortunate to be so close as a team, but it seems to anger some of the natives that we haven’t gotten over the hump….yet. We have some weak spots, but we do not suck. 

I'm not angry I just think they suck.

A 12 year old would be like "I have Josh Allen...let's get some baller receivers!" And that to me would be smarter than their nonsense.

I think they made a great call 8 years ago and that covers up a whole lot of bad calls. 

It's just a guy's opinion on the internet, it'll be okay sweetheart.

[fergie's ire]

On 7/6/2025 at 7:57 PM, mjt328 said:

Teams in Buffalo's position don't usually make HUGE on-paper upgrades in a single offseason.  Without tons of salary cap space, the focus is on bargain free agents.  Not bid splash signings.  And draft picks in the mid/late 20's are not expected to make a tremendous immediate impact, as opposed to the Top 5-10 prospects.

 

But teams in Buffalo's position also don't NEED to make huge upgrades.  We have won our division and at least one playoff game 5 seasons in a row.  A play or two different, and we could easily have appeared in 2-3 Super Bowls over the last few years.  All we really need is a few tweaks in the right areas, and luck to finally bounce our way.  

 

Whether we made the right moves this offseason remains to be seen.  The idea that we needed some kind of major overhaul to suddenly have a chance at the Eagles or Chiefs is pure sportsfan ego talking.  Anybody with a tiny ounce of football knowledge knows the Bills are right in the same tier as them.

 

 

The Bills had one of the best O-Lines in football last year, along with the hardest QB to sack in the league.

The Chiefs struggled blocking, and were shuffling guys around going into the playoffs.

 

Just because KC struggled in that game doesn't mean it would have played out the same against us.

 

Agreed. Did you see the way they aligned their defensive front? Ends split super wide and racing to the pocket. Bills would've run Duo against that all day long.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I'm not angry I just think they suck.

A 12 year old would be like "I have Josh Allen...let's get some baller receivers!" And that to me would be smarter than their nonsense.

I think they made a great call 8 years ago and that covers up a whole lot of bad calls. 

It's just a guy's opinion on the internet, it'll be okay sweetheart.

 

Yes, let’s be the Bengals. Great idea. 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, let’s be the Bengals. Great idea. 

They don't have Josh Allen.

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

The Broncos were number 1 in EPA and we hung 30 on them and Cook ran all over them.  Remove the one awful Bengals game and the offense is averaging 26 points in our playoff losses and we're losing by less than a TD even though the defense is giving up over 30 in those games.   It's your opinion and your entitled to it but I'll stand by my opinion that the offense is capable of keeping us in any game.  Maybe I'm getting bad info but I thought the Ravens were 8th overall and 2 spots better than the Eagles vs the run.

You did watch the Broncos game? We converted a miracle 4th down play. Otherwise that is a 7 point game heading into the 4th quarter with us scoring 13 points despite Denver not sustaining a drive. It was the same thing the year prior against the Steelers. 7 point game, 4th quarter. Offense couldn’t put them away. Then total fall asleep mode against Baltimore in the second half. Failed clutch drives vs KC back to back years. Colossal egg vs the Bengals. Completely asleep for the Texans in the second half. Failed OT drive to win.
 

So what, against some KC teams with a bottom ranked defense we could trade scores only to fail when it mattered most. That is  postseason locked it in to you? 
 

We have a host of games vs wild card scrubs. Another set vs KC when that Defense sucked. The offense has been far from consistent on a drive to drive bases and isn’t reliable when they have been needed most. Probably a result of depending on Allen pulling crap out of his rear for 50% of our offense.

Edited yesterday at 04:50 AM by Mikie2times

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

I haven't researched it but I've been told the Eagles played a lot of coverage we play, they just did it better.  I'm really hoping as much for our additions in the secondary as I am for additions on the line.  

 

They ran a lot of coverages the Bills normally play, yep. The Bills' issue the round prior was partly the Bills didn't play a lot of coverages the Bills play. We surprised KC with a pretty un-Billsy defensive gameplan in the regular season to man up more. It worked. We tried it again in the AFCCG and Andy Reid had adjusted and just picked it apart. By finding ways to isolate Worthy in particular and Hollywood a bit on our weaker links 1v1 - especially first half. We switched back to more of our standard D in the second half and we did slow them down a bit more and hold them to a FG at the end when it really mattered, but the damage was done to an extent. 

 

We have also never had a defensive front dominate KC the way Philly's did in the Superbowl and we have never had the benefit of Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes melting down the way they did that first half. It's as poor a half as Reid has called in a long time. That is what used to happen to him in the playoffs in Philadelphia. Things would start unravelling and he'd panic as a playcaller. His QB did not help either.

 

[BillytheKid]

33 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You did watch the Broncos game? We converted a miracle 4th down play. Otherwise that is a 7 point game heading into the 4th quarter with us scoring 13 points despite Denver not sustaining a drive. It was the same thing the year prior against the Steelers. 7 point game, 4th quarter. Offense couldn’t put them away. Then total fall asleep mode against Baltimore in the second half. Failed clutch drives vs KC back to back years. Colossal egg vs the Bengals. Completely asleep for the Texans in the second half. Failed OT drive to win.
 

So what, against some KC teams with a bottom ranked defense we could trade scores only to fail when it mattered most. That is  postseason locked it in to you? 
 

We have a host of games vs wild card scrubs. Another set vs KC when that Defense sucked. The offense has been far from consistent on a drive to drive bases and isn’t reliable when they have been needed most. Probably a result of depending on Allen pulling crap out of his rear for 50% of our offense.

Your argument that if they don’t “do this play” or they “don’t do that play” is a horrible argument. 
 

Every team can say that about every single game. Every QB has games, especially the good ones where they pull crap out of their butts half of the game for their team to win. 
 

I could go back and watch the Denver game and that Pittsburgh game and do the same exact thing for those two teams vs Buffalo and say well if Denver doesn’t do this and Pittsburgh doesn’t do that then they would have been down by even more points than they were and they shouldn’t have even scored. 
 

That’s a ridiculous argument. The fact is Buffalo did make those plays just like plays are made in every game. Buffalos offense was good now matter how much you want to disagree with it or not. 
 

Your argument is horrible. 

[Augie]

8 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

They don't have Josh Allen.

 

Joe Burrow ain’t chopped liver. You’re just a whiner. 

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They ran a lot of coverages the Bills normally play, yep. The Bills' issue the round prior was partly the Bills didn't play a lot of coverages the Bills play. We surprised KC with a pretty un-Billsy defensive gameplan in the regular season to man up more. It worked. We tried it again in the AFCCG and Andy Reid had adjusted and just picked it apart. By finding ways to isolate Worthy in particular and Hollywood a bit on our weaker links 1v1 - especially first half. We switched back to more of our standard D in the second half and we did slow them down a bit more and hold them to a FG at the end when it really mattered, but the damage was done to an extent. 

 

We have also never had a defensive front dominate KC the way Philly's did in the Superbowl and we have never had the benefit of Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes melting down the way they did that first half. It's as poor a half as Reid has called in a long time. That is what used to happen to him in the playoffs in Philadelphia. Things would start unravelling and he'd panic as a playcaller. His QB did not help either.

 

Yeah the SB was the perfect storm. 
 

The Eagles front played the game of their lives and Mahomes/Reid got completely flustered. 
 

It’s not really dissimilar to the Bills performance vs the Bengals in the playoffs. Just one of those days where nothing goes right.

[Ayjent]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not sure if the problem is the talent of players, or the quality of depth. When we get to the playoffs it seems our defense is decimated by injuries. Part of that may come from being fast but “smallish”, but we seem to run out of “guys”. We should not be interrupting AJ Klein’s vacations to help us in the playoffs. Maybe going so deep on defense in this year’s draft helps that, because I’m as sick of it as anyone. 

It's a variety of factors. Scheme, personnel philosophy and talent.  The smallish defense is neutralized in the playoffs because the whistles dont blow the same way, the defensive scheme is more reactive and not dictating the game, and the pass rush is many times ineffectual from the front 4.  And here is the thing they are a few plays away but part of being the better team is to not have such slim margins and those most important plays are being lost on both sides of the ball, but the offense typically makes plays (minus Cincinnati) but the D is lacking the big plays to change the outcomes in those losses.  So we are trying to beat the best QBs in the big moments without enough pressure on the QB. 

 

Easier said than done but small agile players arent undeniable when the refs arent giving them the calls for being held.  What the Eagles, Bucs (v Mahomes)and Giants (v Brady) have done in the past several years with the DL is have size and ability to bring it with 4. 

Edited yesterday at 12:42 PM by Ayjent

[Nihilarian]

I don't see the Eagles dominating the Buffalo offense like they did against the Chiefs. I mean in the 3rd quarter of that SB the Eagles were up 34-6...Philly then allowed some garbage yards so it didn't look as lopsided as it was ending in a 22-40 beatdown. 

 

However, the Buffalo defense was dealing with injuries while starting a rookie safety and the Chiefs torched Kaiir Elam so badly that the Bills ended up dumping him to Dallas. This game was at Arrowhead and was 29-32. A lot of Bills fans want to point at the TE for this loss and they shouldn't as it was mostly the Buffalo defense to blame.

 

Last years Bills team led the NFL in turnover ratio all season with a +24 only to get only one turnover by the Chiefs. Buffalo had 4 fumbles and recovered all of them.

 

When you look at what the Eagles were able to do on defense compared to what Buffalo did with 2 sacks, 7 QB hits vs unreal pressure on Mahomes all game long with 11 QB hits and 6 sacks. 

 

The refs in that Bills/KC game didn't help either by calling two different plays short...and one that looked like it was right on the line and yet the refs called it a full yard short. Tough to beat the Chiefs and the Refs. 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/27/sports/what-went-wrong-for-bills-on-controversial-play-that-changed-everything/

 

 

Buffalo starting cornerback Christian Benford suffered a concussion late in the first quarter and did not return. McDermott noted that losing Benford, who was in concussion protocol this week and cleared to play, affected the defense. Despite the defensive issues in the first half, the Bills stayed in the game. But it wasn't enough.

 

The Buffalo Bills made a lot of good moves this offseason so lets hope it gets them to the SB this year! GO BILLS!

 

 

[Mat68]

On 7/6/2025 at 7:26 PM, boyst said:

I could make the argument that he is right, and it would be easy to make and shored up by the fact that it was a coin flip that determined 1 Chiefs win, poor calls on another, and a missed FG for another. The Bills are on the cusp of beating the Chiefs with exactly what they've had and done the last 4-5 years.

 

So, his point doesn't really strike home like he would like when you look at the reality of those outcomes 

Not wrong.  Also, it is very much 2000’s Patriots type offseason.  Bosa needs to plays 3-4 games in January and Feb.  Tre White in the AFC championship game wont throw up on himself like Elam did.  Is White who he was? No.  Is he better than what was on the field in January in KC?  Yes.  Added athletes in the secondary and size on the dline.  Have a few young guys as the lead pass catchers.  Palmer does what they dont.  Moore is the type of player that has succeeded with Allen.  Mind you last season Philly besides a modest deal for Barkley, Baun was the best signing and was signed to a prove it deal and was up for DPOY.  Those types of FA win games and Championships.  They reuped both Barkey and Baun this offseason with massive pay raises.