Antonio Brown in big trouble...again

[Pete]

 

[cba fan]

On 6/14/2025 at 5:24 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I don't know a thing about what AB did or didn't do.

 

But at least around here, police have to have evidence before the prosecutor will pay attention.  And then the prosecutor, oft to the frustration of the police, wants a case they feel they can win.

So I'm not sure where the "police and prosecutors initially throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" notion comes from.   Generally speaking.

the police do this routinely to get the perps to talk and make a deal to drop some charges. Been going on since God invented lawyers.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No link needed.  Brown was looking for guaranteed money and that's why he was causing problems in Pgh.  McBeane only would trade for him (never saw that they were willing to trade the 9th overall though) if he played under his existing contract, which meant no guaranteed money.  It was a smart move on their part and avoided paying anything for a guy who was spent by then.

he was looking for a redo of his contract—the whole contract, not just the bonus you are stuck on. 

“"I'd never seen that before with three years left and not adding years. ... We've all seen how many guys are cut one year into a long-term deal. It's been kind of a one-way system. In this particular instance, you had a player who said, 'This isn't an ideal situation for me.' For guys around the league, this is a positive development for players. And they have Antonio Brown to thank for it." Rosenhaus. 
 

“Rosenhaus spoke with general manager Brandon Beane on March 5, and Beane made clear then he would tweak Brown's remaining deal but wouldn't redo it. That was a nonstarter for Brown, so both parties agreed it wouldn't work and never revisited.

again, where did you read that Beane offered a year and no guarantee?”

 

it was reported multiple outlets a 1st round pick was offered. 

 

 

 

[uticaclub]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

it was reported multiple outlets a 1st round pick was offered. 

 

 

 

I heard it was the deal we ended up offering to Minny for Diggs

Edited Monday at 07:18 PM by uticaclub

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he was looking for a redo of his contract—the whole contract, not just the bonus you are stuck on. 

“"I'd never seen that before with three years left and not adding years. ... We've all seen how many guys are cut one year into a long-term deal. It's been kind of a one-way system. In this particular instance, you had a player who said, 'This isn't an ideal situation for me.' For guys around the league, this is a positive development for players. And they have Antonio Brown to thank for it." Rosenhaus. 
 

“Rosenhaus spoke with general manager Brandon Beane on March 5, and Beane made clear then he would tweak Brown's remaining deal but wouldn't redo it. That was a nonstarter for Brown, so both parties agreed it wouldn't work and never revisited.

again, where did you read that Beane offered a year and no guarantee?”

 

it was reported multiple outlets a 1st round pick was offered. 

 

So in your mind, "redo of his contract" means no guaranteed money?  Oh, OK.

 

And no matter what you (chose to) believe, McBeane refuse to redo his contract.  And thus Brown said no deal.

 

24 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I heard it was the deal we ended up offering to Minny for Diggs

 

The deal was offered prior to the 2019 draft, when the Bills picked 9th overall.  Diggs was acquired the following year for the 22nd (far more palatable) overall pick.  It's possible the Bills offered the 2020 pick instead of the 2019 one, but again no confirmation that they offered a 1st.

Edited Monday at 07:42 PM by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I heard it was the deal we ended up offering to Minny for Diggs

 

#9 in the AB deal.  

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So in your mind, "redo of his contract" means no guaranteed money?  Oh, OK.

 

And no matter what you (chose to) believe, McBeane refuse to redo his contract.  And thus Brown said no deal.

 

 

The deal was offered prior to the 2019 draft, when the Bills picked 9th overall.  Diggs was acquired the following year for the 22nd (far more palatable) overall pick.  It's possible the Bills offered the 2020 pick instead of the 2019 one, but again no confirmation that they offered a 1st.

 

 

as I've said (and only as has been reported) multiple times.

 

you are claiming that Beane would have redone the contract...but without a guarantee, or something...

 

The Steelers gave permission for Rosenhaus to talk because of the pick package Beane offered (it was a 1st, even though he didn't call you up to confirm this).

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No link needed.  Brown was looking for guaranteed money and that's why he was causing problems in Pgh.  McBeane only would trade for him (never saw that they were willing to trade the 9th overall though) if he played under his existing contract, which meant no guaranteed money.  It was a smart move on their part and avoided paying anything for a guy who was spent by then.

 

He had just wrapped up his 6th straight season of at least 1250 yards---and had 15 receiving TDs his last year in Pitts.  Totally spent!

 

You think he couldn't get at least another 1250 with Josh Allen throwing to him (absent Diggs)?  That WR was trash--2 big money WRs were Brown and Beasley combining for 1800 yards, lol.

 

By his final year, despite essentially the same number of targets per year, Diggs's production was in free fall.  In all, the Bills paid one of the worst playoff WR1s in league history 80 million to pad his stats during the season.  2 years after a huge (2nd highest WR guarantee behind only Hill) 4 year extension, he was widely excised from the the body Buffalo, the cancer that he was...

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

#9 in the AB deal.  

 

Link?

 

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

as I've said (and only as has been reported) multiple times.

 

you are claiming that Beane would have redone the contract...but without a guarantee, or something...

 

The Steelers gave permission for Rosenhaus to talk because of the pick package Beane offered (it was a 1st, even though he didn't call you up to confirm this).

 

No, I'm saying Beane wanted to keep the contract as is.  No redo of anything, much less giving him guaranteed money.  There were 2 years left on that contract.

 

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

He had just wrapped up his 6th straight season of at least 1250 yards---and had 15 receiving TDs his last year in Pitts.  Totally spent!

 

You think he couldn't get at least another 1250 with Josh Allen throwing to him (absent Diggs)?  That WR was trash--2 big money WRs were Brown and Beasley combining for 1800 yards, lol.

 

By his final year, despite essentially the same number of targets per year, Diggs's production was in free fall.  In all, the Bills paid one of the worst playoff WR1s in league history 80 million to pad his stats during the season.  2 years after a huge (2nd highest WR guarantee behind only Hill) 4 year extension, he was widely excised from the the body Buffalo, the cancer that he was...

 

Tell me about his years following 2018.  He was spent for one reason or another.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Link?

 

 

No, I'm saying Beane wanted to keep the contract as is.  No redo of anything, much less giving him guaranteed money.  There were 2 years left on that contract.

 

 

Tell me about his years following 2018.  He was spent for one reason or another.

 

google: "buffalo offered first round draft pick to steelers for AB"

 

oh now it's "or another"?  lol--the reasons were not football skill related, nice try.

 

anyway, if McD and the Bills locker room could keep Diggs's behavioral deficiencies (almost) under control for 3-4 seasons, don't you think they could have gotten a solid year or 2 out of AB?  

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

google: "buffalo offered first round draft pick to steelers for AB"

 

oh now it's "or another"?  lol--the reasons were not football skill related, nice try.

 

anyway, if McD and the Bills locker room could keep Diggs's behavioral deficiencies (almost) under control for 3-4 seasons, don't you think they could have gotten a solid year or 2 out of AB?  

 

OK did a Google search and the best I could come up with was "Sounds like the meat of the AB to Buffalo trade was a 1st round pick swap, Steelers move from 20 to 9, and a late round pick or conditional middle round pick sprinkled in. That's not great return."

 

Nothing concrete but that deal is far more palatable than giving up the 9th overall alone. The difference in value is equivalent to about the 11th pick of the 2nd round.

 

You want to use another word than "spent"?  Fine.  Doesn't change the fact that he did little after 2019.

 

You saw how he was with Brady and the Patriots, right?  So the answer is "no."  

Edited Monday at 09:41 PM by Doc

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I hesitate to blame this all on concussions.  He seems to have had issues at every level of his career.  

It’s probably a combination of mental health and CTE. Either way he is speed running his downfall.

[HappyDays]

People are too quick to blame mental illness for stuff like that. If a guy has schizoprehnic delusions that cause him to burn down a building, okay that is a case where mental illness was responsible. But not too many mentally ill people out there are grabbing a security officer's gun outside of a club and shooting at someone they're having an argument with. That is just run of the mill bad person behavior. Antonio Brown is a bad person. Don't muddy the waters by even bringing his supposed "mental illness" into it.

[MJS]

18 hours ago, HappyDays said:

People are too quick to blame mental illness for stuff like that. If a guy has schizoprehnic delusions that cause him to burn down a building, okay that is a case where mental illness was responsible. But not too many mentally ill people out there are grabbing a security officer's gun outside of a club and shooting at someone they're having an argument with. That is just run of the mill bad person behavior. Antonio Brown is a bad person. Don't muddy the waters by even bringing his supposed "mental illness" into it.

Couldn't agree more. There are tons of people suffering with mental health and CTE issues who aren't out there being violent or doing the stuff AB is doing. AB is just a bad person. All his issues don't help, I'm sure, but he has off the field issues all the way back to high school.

Edited 12 hours ago by MJS

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, Doc said:

 

OK did a Google search and the best I could come up with was "Sounds like the meat of the AB to Buffalo trade was a 1st round pick swap, Steelers move from 20 to 9, and a late round pick or conditional middle round pick sprinkled in. That's not great return."

 

Nothing concrete but that deal is far more palatable than giving up the 9th overall alone. The difference in value is equivalent to about the 11th pick of the 2nd round.

 

You want to use another word than "spent"?  Fine.  Doesn't change the fact that he did little after 2019.

 

You saw how he was with Brady and the Patriots, right?  So the answer is "no."  

 

he played a single game with Brady in NE, lol.  great point doc!

 

When the 2018 season ended, AB was the best WR in the NFL--maybe you are suing a new definition for the word "spent"?.

 

Anyway....  You don't think McD, who handled Diggs, a total head case, for a few years could not make use of AB?  Why not?

 

 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he played a single game with Brady in NE, lol.  great point doc!

 

When the 2018 season ended, AB was the best WR in the NFL--maybe you are suing a new definition for the word "spent"?.

 

Anyway....  You don't think McD, who handled Diggs, a total head case, for a few years could not make use of AB?  Why not?

 

Oh that's right, the Patriots signed AB to one of them 1-game contracts.  

 

The dude was and still is an ####### and a nutjob.  Good for him being the best WR in the NFL in 2018 because he wasn't even close afterwards.

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he played a single game with Brady in NE, lol.  great point doc!

 

When the 2018 season ended, AB was the best WR in the NFL--maybe you are suing a new definition for the word "spent"?.

 

Anyway....  You don't think McD, who handled Diggs, a total head case, for a few years could not make use of AB?  Why not?

 

 

Diggs isn't even close to the pain in the ass AB is. Diggs gets pissy with his team; AB causes physical and financial harm to others.

Edited 13 hours ago by uticaclub

[Royale with Cheese]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

People are too quick to blame mental illness for stuff like that. If a guy has schizoprehnic delusions that cause him to burn down a building, okay that is a case where mental illness was responsible. But not too many mentally ill people out there are grabbing a security officer's gun outside of a club and shooting at someone they're having an argument with. That is just run of the mill bad person behavior. Antonio Brown is a bad person. Don't muddy the waters by even bringing his supposed "mental illness" into it.

 

I agree with this too.  One of the ex-Steelers said in an interview, he saw the signs and pointed it out before AB got famous.  He told someone that once this dude gets money, he's going to be a problem.  

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Oh that's right, the Patriots signed AB to one of them 1-game contracts.  

 

The dude was and still is an ####### and a nutjob.  Good for him being the best WR in the NFL in 2018 because he wasn't even close afterwards.

 

he was released after 1 game--why reference this "time with Brady in NE"?  you stumbled into that, I didn't even have to send you there!

 

 

Anyway...just answer the question as to whether McD could have made the NFL's best WR function for the Bills

 

7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Diggs isn't even close to the pain in the ass AB is. Diggs gets pissy with his team; AB causes physical and financial harm to others.

 

True.  Bit we are talking about on field and in the locker room.  Maybe AB needed the calming influence of McD, instead of "I let the patients run the asylum" Tomlin...

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

he was released after 1 game--why reference this "time with Brady in NE"?  you stumbled into that, I didn't even have to send you there!

 

Now I know you're just being disingenuous.  Even you aren't this clueless.

 

Edit:  OK, I see the disconnect here.  I'm talking about AB's short time with the Patriots as showing that McBeane weren't going to be able to keep him in line.  Not that it showed he was no longer the best WR in football.  The years that followed proved that.

Edited 11 hours ago by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Now I know you're just being disingenuous.  Even you aren't this clueless.

 

Edit:  OK, I see the disconnect here.  I'm talking about AB's short time with the Patriots as showing that McBeane weren't going to be able to keep him in line.  Not that it showed he was no longer the best WR in football.  The years that followed proved that.

 

We don't know what would have happened after 2018, had the Bills successfully traded for him.  He may have had another season as the reigning top WR in the NFL.

 

That is the point of my question.  Bills were able to keep a lesser a-hole (and lesser WR) under control for 3 of his 4 years.  Maybe they would have gotten a solid year or 2 from AB.  Beane and McD were certainly not sharing your concerns about him when they were putting together a trade offer for discussion.