sherpa Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Regardless, can we trust Khomeini or Netanyahu? No. Not as far as you could throw them. What happens if the ceasefire doesn't hold? If it doesn't the real threats haven't even started. That was always the risk of handling things this way. It's the 1st quarter at this point. A lot of time to see what this ultimately results in. I trust Netanyahu, but I expect Israel could use a ceasefire as a respite. The IAF is just not big enough and the distances too great to continue this pace. Regarding the Iranian "regime," his kid is the odds on favorite. But, given that the regime is held up by the IRGC, when IRGC senior leadership roll call occurs, there's going to be a lot less "here" responses. Look at their actions defending the country during the strike. Was anybody running that? 'Cause not a thing happened. 1
Mikie2times Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 9 minutes ago, sherpa said: I trust Netanyahu, but I expect Israel could use a ceasefire as a respite. The IAF is just not big enough and the distances too great to continue this pace. Regarding the Iranian "regime," his kid is the odds on favorite. But, given that the regime is held up by the IRGC, when IRGC senior leadership roll call occurs, there's going to be a lot less "here" responses. Look at their actions defending the country during the strike. Was anybody running that? 'Cause not a thing happened. We disagree somewhat here, but appreciate the good conversation and not getting crappy with it. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 7 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: . No one in my family would follow me to Scandinavia, bruh... I’m going to stay in the United States, I’m going to vote for Zohran today, and I’m going to vote for AOC as President in 2028. Deal with it. According to Papa Adamski: 2 to 3 years with a concerted effort. His assessment is based on the public IAEA reports after JCPOA but before Israel and the U.S. started bombing Iran. According to him, the above-ground activity needed for properly building nuclear weapons would have been far too conspicuous to evade the IAEA to the level that Bibi and Trump claim happened. He emphasized the plutonium processing much more so than the uranium enrichment and the missile deployment technology. Any additional sci/tech questions for Papa Adamski? I’d be happy to ask him! No, no additional technical questions for your father at this time. A couple non-tech questions: Does your father share your view of the Israeli people and leadership? Does he view the regime as genocidal, war criminals etc and support dragging them off to an international court? Does he view the dismantling of Israel as we know it, reimagined into the two state solution as the only reasonable outcome to address the traumas of the past? 7 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Regarding pantsuits: oh you dare lots, indeed! Jesus, Kay, I already said this. I enjoy reading some of your posts but suggest efficiency might be your friend. 7 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: POP QUIZ TIME FOR LEH-NERD SKIN-ERD: The ratio of Kay’s blazer dresses to chic pantsuits is known to be 4.5, and the ratio of Kay’s blazer dresses to skirt suits is 1.8. Kay owns 2 chic pantsuits. If Kay is suddenly gifted 4 frumpy Hillary Clinton-esque pantsuits, how many weeks can Kay now go wearing a unique formal business outfit? You may or may not need to recall Cauchy’s Integral Theorem for this: the line integral over a closed contour C for w(z)*dz = 0. If you get this question correct, I will press a gold star sticker onto your forehead. If not, you will see gold star stickers circling above your forehead (i.e., I shall punch you in the face, bruh). High-stakes pressure elevates cognitive performance, Leh-nerd… Easy breezy: You’re asking the wrong question. My answer: Wear the white one, it suits your complexion, will reduce the potential for flop sweating in the summer heat, and remember that just enough accessorizing is found at the intersection of “That looks nice” and “If this car goes into a lake you gon’ drown girl”. These things and others I’ve learned over a lifetime of observing people, and you are very welcome.
Bray Wyatt Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: If the Iranian people overthrow the regime I will become more bullish over these actions making a difference. Khomeini is prepping his son to take over. His internal network historically has been enough to hold back the Iranian people. While many are pro west, the old guard has been hard to make any progress with. Seeing Trump say today that he doesn't want a regime change is disappointing. I know why he said and I don't think he believes it, he wants stability, but still, disappointing. Certainly part of the cease fire agreement, it had to be. Regardless, can we trust Khomeini or Netanyahu? No. Not as far as you could throw them. What happens if the ceasefire doesn't hold? If it doesn't the real threats haven't even started. That was always the risk of handling things this way. It's the 1st quarter at this point. A lot of time to see what this ultimately results in. Said only the people doing the bombing. Iraq has WMD's right? No experts have said they were as close as what was presented. Look I am skeptical of the intelligence too. I dont forget and we cannot know that for certain until later. But as you are pointing out Israel's actions are certainly out of character, which to me lends credence to that they at least believe it to be true.
Taro T Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: If the Iranian people overthrow the regime I will become more bullish over these actions making a difference. Khomeini is prepping his son to take over. His internal network historically has been enough to hold back the Iranian people. While many are pro west, the old guard has been hard to make any progress with. Seeing Trump say today that he doesn't want a regime change is disappointing. I know why he said and I don't think he believes it, he wants stability, but still, disappointing. Certainly part of the cease fire agreement, it had to be. Regardless, can we trust Khomeini or Netanyahu? No. Not as far as you could throw them. What happens if the ceasefire doesn't hold? If it doesn't the real threats haven't even started. That was always the risk of handling things this way. It's the 1st quarter at this point. A lot of time to see what this ultimately results in. Well,a ceasefire is only that - a ceasefire. It doesn't mean there necessarily is a resolution but it does provide time for negotiations. IMHO it would be very shortsighted and antithetical to obtaining a peace agreement for 47 to be calling for regime change. Seems he couching that about as well as we can hope (though very much in his particular brand of communication) in stating that we aren't calling for regime change but we aren't opposed to it (and personally take that as saying we'd really like to see the Iranian people overthrow what's left of the regime and also that if they don't negotiate in good faith an end of their nuclear program that we WILL actively work towards regime change). Will be interesting to see how negotiations between the 3 parties go now that we seem to be in a ceasefire. If the mullahs survive this, expect that they will be required to grant full unfettered access to their nuclear sites and that ANY lack of access will result in more bombs landing on them. Will also be very interested to see what, if any, concessions the Israelis and the Americans make in the negotiations. Expecting those to be minimal and strictly something that we don't particularly care about that lets the mullahs CLAIM some form of victory, however minor it might be. To your earlier questions of "why now?" IMHO 2 additional reasons beyond what @sherpa has mentioned: 1 Russia is otherwise occupied, which is the same reason Assad fell over in Syria and 2. the guy that always seemed to be partial to solutions that Iran would favor in that region of the world such as wanting to partition Iraq after Saddam fell is no longer even titularly in the WH. 1
sherpa Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago The thing that gives me pause is that Trump seems to value a public victory lap over substantive results. Hopefully, the success of this will lead to some reliable prohibitions against Iran resuming. There is no evidence of that yet. In the meantime, it seems there has been a Hamas ambush today that killed a number of Israeli soldiers. Hasn't hit the media yet, but serves as a reminder of reality. 1 2
All_Pro_Bills Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 13 minutes ago, sherpa said: The thing that gives me pause is that Trump seems to value a public victory lap over substantive results. Hopefully, the success of this will lead to some reliable prohibitions against Iran resuming. There is no evidence of that yet. In the meantime, it seems there has been a Hamas ambush today that killed a number of Israeli soldiers. Hasn't hit the media yet, but serves as a reminder of reality. The Prez should not be negotiating cease fire or any other deals through social media. Trump's fatal flaw may be he fails to distinguish between the functional roles of US President and Corporate CEO. They are definitely different.
Mikie2times Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 34 minutes ago, sherpa said: The thing that gives me pause is that Trump seems to value a public victory lap over substantive results. Hopefully, the success of this will lead to some reliable prohibitions against Iran resuming. There is no evidence of that yet. In the meantime, it seems there has been a Hamas ambush today that killed a number of Israeli soldiers. Hasn't hit the media yet, but serves as a reminder of reality. Trump knows probably more than any politician in the history of this country, what is real doesn't matter, it just matters what people think is real. The average American has no clue how fragile this still is. Most are perfectly fine joining him for those victory laps. Now reports are coming out stating US intelligence believes Iran's nuclear capability is very much intact. So what happens next? We have already stated they can't have a nuclear bomb, we used military force to prevent it. Israel has said they can't have it and if they pursue it again they will intervene again.
Big Blitz Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago Yep. It was years away last week. Didn’t even have the capability. Today they were literally days away. 1
Mikie2times Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Yep. It was years away last week. Didn’t even have the capability. Today they were literally days away. The president saying 5 seconds after it happened: "have been completely and totally obliterated." But CNN is the misinformation here? I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. If I'm wrong I will never post in the PPP forum again. How confident are you? 2
TH3 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The Prez should not be negotiating cease fire or any other deals through social media. Trump's fatal flaw may be he fails to distinguish between the functional roles of US President and Corporate CEO. They are definitely different. His fatal flaw is he is not qualified in the least to be POTUS 1
Big Blitz Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: The president saying 5 seconds after it happened: "have been completely and totally obliterated." But CNN is the misinformation here? I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. If I'm wrong I will never post in the PPP forum again. How confident are you? That facility is no longer functional and never will be again. 10000 percent. By the way the reporter from CNN who’s using his “reliable” source is the same one that called the Hunter Biden story bogus. But hey, maybe that facility is still sharp as a tack, functioning well, and in fact it’s the best version of itself you’ve ever seen……I guess? Whether or not they moved the uranium out of their country the way Iraq did….. I don’t know.
B-Man Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. If I'm wrong I will never post in the PPP forum again. , 1 1
TH3 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: The president saying 5 seconds after it happened: "have been completely and totally obliterated." But CNN is the misinformation here? I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. If I'm wrong I will never post in the PPP forum again. How confident are you? You can't bomb knowledge - They know how to do it. Why would they ever use a nuke - it would be suicide Edited 7 hours ago by TH3 1
Big Blitz Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago They’re saying a sink in one of the bathrooms still has running water. 1
Mikie2times Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: That facility is no longer functional and never will be again. 10000 percent. By the way the reporter from CNN who’s using his “reliable” source is the same one that called the Hunter Biden story bogus. But hey, maybe that facility is still sharp as a tack, functioning well, and in fact it’s the best version of itself you’ve ever seen……I guess? Whether or not they moved the uranium out of their country the way Iraq did….. I don’t know. Maybe? I'm not a big Joe supporter, Hunter Biden is meaningless to me along with CNN. For the president to keep stating that the Nuclear program has been destroyed is a lie. I know it's a lie because it would be impossible to verify such a claim in the time it took him to make it. 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: , Still no responses in this thread past a flag and X reposts like usual. Between you and Carolina, you have the least engaged content on this forum and do so over and over and over. Has to be a sign of strength in your personal life. 3 minutes ago, TH3 said: Tou can't bomb knowledge - They know how to do it. Why would they ever use a nuke - it would be suicide I never said they would use it, I said they would keep pursuing it and have the means to do so. But if this is really true, then what was this over?
Big Blitz Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago Who still thought otherwise? They are rooting for Trump failure over America and humanity. Just like they did with “Covid.”
JDHillFan Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. Pretty sure the cleanup from multiple 30k lb bombs is going to take a while. This is laughable. Thank you for offering never to post again if you are wrong. Make sure you get it all out now. 1
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