Homelander Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 29 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: What is your solution to stop the enrichment? No limits, stop the enrichment. This isn’t about me offering a solution - this is about people like you deflecting from reality. Trump pulled out of the only deal that actually limited Iran’s enrichment without offering a single workable alternative. Under that deal, Iran’s uranium stockpile was slashed by 97%, enrichment was capped well below weapons-grade, and international inspectors were on the ground verifying compliance. He walked away from results and handed Iran a green light. 2 hours ago, sherpa said: I honestly don't believe that these type of claims have any basis in reality. The bottom line is that the world is dealing with a fundamentalism Islamic group at the head of Iran and its nuc program. Do any of you care to understand what "diplomacy" means to a fundy Islamic group that thinks it has a God directive to eliminate Israel? You can disagree, but I don't think "diplomacy" means the same to the Iranian regime as it does to an obviously uninformed westerner. To change course, but I think is important, the status of this confrontation has changed immensely in the past few months since the fall of Syria. So as to not waste words, Iran is infinitely more vulnerable to offensive air strikes than it was earlier. That is not to say they can't energize their third party proxies in other countries, but they are quite vulnerable. See above - you are deflecting from reality. Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, with no backup plan, and it made Iran stronger, not weaker. End of story. Edited 15 hours ago by Homelander 4
CoudyBills Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, Homelander said: This isn’t about me not offering a solution - this is about people like you deflecting from reality. Trump pulled out of the only deal that actually limited Iran’s enrichment without offering a single workable alternative. Under that deal, Iran’s uranium stockpile was slashed by 97%, enrichment was capped well below weapons-grade, and international inspectors were on the ground verifying compliance. He walked away from results and handed Iran a green light. See above - you are deflecting from reality. Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, with no backup plan, and it made Iran stronger, not weaker. End of story. Again, what is your solution? Your solution is to point and cry like a 3 year old. That is why adults are handling the situation now. You seem to be the only person who believes that deal was working. Edited 15 hours ago by CoudyBills 1 1 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Homelander said: This isn’t about me not offering a solution - this is about people like you deflecting from reality. Trump pulled out of the only deal that actually limited Iran’s enrichment without offering a single workable alternative. Under that deal, Iran’s uranium stockpile was slashed by 97%, enrichment was capped well below weapons-grade, and international inspectors were on the ground verifying compliance. He walked away from results and handed Iran a green light. See above - you are deflecting from reality. Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, with no backup plan, and it made Iran stronger, not weaker. End of story. Joke. 1
njbuff Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Homelander said: This isn’t about me not offering a solution - this is about people like you deflecting from reality. Trump pulled out of the only deal that actually limited Iran’s enrichment without offering a single workable alternative. Under that deal, Iran’s uranium stockpile was slashed by 97%, enrichment was capped well below weapons-grade, and international inspectors were on the ground verifying compliance. He walked away from results and handed Iran a green light. See above - you are deflecting from reality. Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, with no backup plan, and it made Iran stronger, not weaker. End of story. You are beyond fvvcked in the head. You have serious serious issues. 1 1
Big Blitz Posted 15 hours ago Author Posted 15 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Homelander said: This isn’t about me offering a solution - this is about people like you deflecting from reality. Trump pulled out of the only deal that actually limited Iran’s enrichment without offering a single workable alternative. Under that deal, Iran’s uranium stockpile was slashed by 97%, enrichment was capped well below weapons-grade, and international inspectors were on the ground verifying compliance. He walked away from results and handed Iran a green light. See above - you are deflecting from reality. Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, with no backup plan, and it made Iran stronger, not weaker. End of story. Then why didn’t President Auto Pen do another sham deal?
The Frankish Reich Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 21 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think you are making this far too complicated. The US has a bunch of personnel and equipment, including a carrier task force, in the area. Given the likelihood of an Iranian response, the Israelis probably told the US they were going to do something on Iranian soil. The US would then be prepared for a response. Thus the well publicized effort to allow non US combatants to leave the area over the past few days. So, that's my (B) or (C). 23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Mods, please move to The Reliable Media v Alternative Scum please. There, and only there, the truth shall be revealed. Right on cue: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/in-twist-u-s-diplomacy-served-as-cover-for-israeli-surprise-attack-c79b2206?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_4 The headline is a little misleading (remember, in almost all newspapers, the article author doesn't write the headline), but nonetheless the article suggests more of (C).
Homelander Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, CoudyBills said: Again, what is your solution? Your solution is to point and cry like a 3 year old. That is why adults are handling the situation now. No, see - that’s your problem, not mine. You can’t admit the obvious: Trump tore up a working deal just to pander to his base - because it had Obama’s name on it - and to appease the racists, hawks and neocons. You’re not offering solutions either. You’re just dodging, shifting the subject, and throwing out rhetorical fluff because you can’t defend what Trump actually did. Own the failure or stay in deflection mode. Either way, the facts aren’t going anywhere. 1
yall Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 40 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Cool cool cool We're shooting down missiles before they impact civilians? Am I supposed to have a problem with that?
Homelander Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Then why didn’t President Auto Pen do another sham deal? Oh sure, Iran - an ally of Putin - was just dying to give Biden a diplomatic victory. Do you ever actually stop to think before you type? 1
Tommy Callahan Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago (edited) Nuke armed Israel Edited 15 hours ago by Tommy Callahan
CoudyBills Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Homelander said: No, see - that’s your problem, not mine. You can’t admit the obvious: Trump tore up a working deal just to pander to his base - because it had Obama’s name on it - and to appease the racists, hawks and neocons. You’re not offering solutions either. You’re just dodging, shifting the subject, and throwing out rhetorical fluff because you can’t defend what Trump actually did. Own the failure or stay in deflection mode. Either way, the facts aren’t going anywhere. Can't defend? The only solution was to eliminate the nuclear program. The diplomacy angle did absolutely nothing to stop it, only slowed it for a while. What Trump did here was let Israel do what they needed to do. Do I agree with it? Not really, but I absolutely understand it was the only way.
Homelander Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Can't defend? The only solution was to eliminate the nuclear program. The diplomacy angle did absolutely nothing to stop it, only slowed it for a while. What Trump did here was let Israel do what they needed to do. Do I agree with it? Not really, but I absolutely understand it was the only way. If the goal was to eliminate Iran’s nuclear program, then Trump’s move to scrap the JCPOA achieved the exact opposite - it freed Iran from the limits that had kept enrichment low and under international inspection. Since then, Iran has enriched uranium to 60%, expanded its centrifuge program, and restricted IAEA oversight. So if “slowing it down” was a problem, why support a move that sped it back up with no plan B? The JCPOA wasn’t perfect, but it was working and every major ally and the IAEA said so. Walking away from a verified agreement with no replacement wasn’t strength, it was reckless. Bottom line: If your standard is total elimination of enrichment, then no administration has met it. But only one president blew up a working deal with no backup and left Iran closer to a bomb: Trump.
Big Blitz Posted 14 hours ago Author Posted 14 hours ago (edited) 28 minutes ago, Homelander said: Oh sure, Iran - an ally of Putin - was just dying to give Biden a diplomatic victory. Do you ever actually stop to think before you type? OMG. 9 minutes ago, Homelander said: The JCPOA wasn’t perfect, but it was working and every major ally and the IAEA said so. Yea all you’re here to do is troll. I literally just posted this: Iran Is Cheating on the Nuclear Deal Germany’s domestic intelligence agency said in its annual report that Iran has a “clandestine” effort to seek illicit nuclear technology and equipment from German companies “at what is, even by international standards, a quantitatively high level.” The findings by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany’s equivalent of the FBI, were issued in a 317-page report last week. German Chancellor Angela Merkel underscored the findings in a statement to parliament, saying Iran violated the United Nations Security Council’s anti-missile development regulations. “Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told the Bundestag....The German report also stated “it is safe to expect that Iran will continue its intensive procurement activities in Germany using clandestine methods to achieve its objectives.” https://www.cfr.org/blog/iran-cheating-nuclear-deal The auto pen ink was barely dry. Those would be the missiles you’re seeing today. Edited 14 hours ago by Big Blitz 1
LDD Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago So now, absent US leadership, everyone (Putin, Zelensky, Netanyahu, now Iran) is just doing whatever they want. Either we've "pulled back from the world stage" or nobody respects the Orange TACO truck? Which is it? If Iranian missiles start getting through and US bases and/or US Navy assets start getting attacked and something finds a hole, it's a whole new world. Meanwhile, Chinese chess pieces keep slowly falling into place. When they make a move, it won't be a mistake and it won't be little.
Doc Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, Homelander said: Lots of words, zero actual reason not to replace the JCPOA. Meanwhile, thanks to Trump tearing it up, Iran’s further in its enrichment than ever. But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes. 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Heartbreaking. If we had a strong leader in office, this could have been avoided. Alas, we have Sleepy Don. The JCPOA was a POS. This was inevitable. 32 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Nuke armed Israel Doubtful. That was probably the extent of what Iran can do. Israel OTOH can keep striking inside Iran.
SectionC3 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: OK, so which one is it: A. Israel undertook the Iran mission unilaterally, even though the US opposed it (at this time). Israel provided the US only advance notice with the US promising it would not obstruct Israel's actions. B. Israel undertook the Iran mission with US approval, although the US stated it would not provide any support for the operation. C. Israel and the US partially coordinated; the US-Iran negotiations were in good faith, and the US gave Israel its tacit approval for taking unilateral action when Iran refused to sign a deal. D. Israel and the US fully coordinated, with a plan to use negotiations (conducted in bad faith) to delay the inevitable Israeli operation and to provide some diplomatic/legal cover (i.e., to show that all peaceful means of shutting down Iran's nuclear weapons program had failed) Based on how TACO man is talking I’m guessing it was probably at least C.
sherpa Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 50 minutes ago, Homelander said: Trump owns this mess - no one else. I know the truth is simple and inconvenient: Trump scrapped a deal that was working, Complete nonsense, and any informed individual who knows about this stuff would laugh at this. The JCPOA did nothing to stop the Iranian development. It sought to delay it while guaranteeing it. The Iranians have never lived up to anything regarding this, and your claim is ignorant and ill informed. 2 1
Homelander Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Doc said: The JCPOA was a POS. This was inevitable. Feelings. 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: Complete nonsense, and any informed individual who knows about this stuff would laugh at this. The JCPOA did nothing to stop the Iranian development. It sought to delay it while guaranteeing it. The Iranians have never lived up to anything regarding this, and your claim is ignorant and ill informed. If you’re calling it “complete nonsense,” then take that up with the IAEA - the international watchdog that verified that Iran was complying with the JCPOA before Trump withdrew. That’s not opinion. That’s the official record from the agency tasked with monitoring nuclear compliance. The JCPOA wasn’t about trusting Iran - it was about verifying and limiting their capabilities: Uranium enrichment capped at 3.67% Stockpile reduced by 97% Two-thirds of centrifuges removed 24/7 monitoring and inspections That’s not “guaranteeing” a bomb. That’s locking Iran into a box where any deviation would be caught - and was, until Trump tore the deal up with no alternative, which led directly to higher enrichment and reduced oversight. If you think blowing up a working agreement and leaving nothing in its place is a smart strategy, you're not defending strength - you're defending failure.
Roundybout Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 59 minutes ago, yall said: We're shooting down missiles before they impact civilians? Am I supposed to have a problem with that? The guy campaigned on America First and not getting involved in other countries’ conflicts. Now our troops are involved. Interesting!
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