Max Hairston injury

[Rubes]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

But maybe you’ll feel better if you complain about it and claim Hairston was a bad pick

 

You see, that way if Hairston fails he can say, "I was right!" and if he succeeds he can say, "I'm glad I was wrong!"

 

It's the lazy way of being a fan.

 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

I fully expected them to start him on IR. Makes sense really to help them juggle the roster around and give themselves extra space for other guys short term. 

 

Unfortunately he can't practice on the field with the guys until he's designated to return (as I understand it) so it'll be a long while before we see him play in a game. But looking at the glass half full, maybe that's not so bad. If he can be pushing for a starting job later in the season and there isn't a tonne of film on him he might hit his stride come playoff time.

 

I'm still dreaming of him picking off Mahomes as the Chiefs drive for the winning score at the end of a playoff game.

I dont know exactly how it works but maybe it means getting more classroom/film time! Almost like a mini pro "redshirt".

 

Anybody smarter than me want to p*** in my half full cup? Lol

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Why do you say this? He has yet to play a game as a Bill. Injuries happen, and I’m just glad this one wasn’t more severe. His missed time in college was mostly due to an infection, I believe, and not any fault of his. I wish he was getting reps now, but it seems far too early for me to judge. 

 

 

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New here? We didnt cut Bernard after s1... so now we learned our lesson and are cutting Coleman and Alopecia man!!! We're so smart 

[ScottishBills]

I'm with all the people getting flamed here.

 

It's year after year with no high end production from the top picks. And there are PLENTY of others who have managed it. And it is needed to get teams over the top. 

 

Fair play to the amazing fans replying who laugh in the face of such commentary - it will be the exact same posters moaning about it in week 9, without admitting it. 

 

The reality is over the past 3 or 4 years we have got a bit of Kincaid in year one to show for high end rookie production, and maybe Cyrus at guard. It's not effective from that point of view at all. Worthy and DeJean and Quinyon say hi from the Superbowl. McConkey, Wiggins, BTJ, Chop Robinson, Sainristil, Lassiter, Bullock - so many immediate producers in the exact positions we need them. 

 

So too Porter Jr, LaPorta, Branch and Gonzalez from the year before. No top 10 picks, just immediate producers in those top 50 picks. 

 

In fairness, what is definitely true is that the Bills get production in maybe year 2/year 3 - so we should probably be looking at Coleman / Kincaid/ Bishop for where it needs to come from rather than the rookies. We are either not good at evaluating it, or taking players who need a years work before they can play. The Bills also have a REALLY good record with later picks, which is to their credit for sure. 

 

but it's totally understandable that a good number of fans would be frustrated that there is nothing that just gets drafted and immediately improves a team that only needs a bit to push it over the top. Top 2 picks seem to fall very far short of what you see elsewhere. I'm sure it annoys the Bills just as much - but it doesn't explain this group of fans who seem to feel denying it makes them better fans. laughing like internet idiots at people who question the repeated failure to draft any immediate production. Failure to draft a single elite player at a premium position in the past 4 years. The truth is the truth. 

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

I'm with all the people getting flamed here.

 

It's year after year with no high end production from the top picks. And there are PLENTY of others who have managed it. And it is needed to get teams over the top. 

 

Fair play to the amazing fans replying who laugh in the face of such commentary - it will be the exact same posters moaning about it in week 9, without admitting it. 

 

The reality is over the past 3 or 4 years we have got a bit of Kincaid in year one to show for high end rookie production, and maybe Cyrus at guard. It's not effective from that point of view at all. Worthy and DeJean and Quinyon say hi from the Superbowl. McConkey, Wiggins, BTJ, Chop Robinson, Sainristil, Lassiter, Bullock - so many immediate producers in the exact positions we need them. 

 

So too Porter Jr, LaPorta, Branch and Gonzalez from the year before. No top 10 picks, just immediate producers in those top 50 picks. 

 

In fairness, what is definitely true is that the Bills get production in maybe year 2/year 3 - so we should probably be looking at Coleman / Kincaid/ Bishop for where it needs to come from rather than the rookies. We are either not good at evaluating it, or taking players who need a years work before they can play. The Bills also have a REALLY good record with later picks, which is to their credit for sure. 

 

but it's totally understandable that a good number of fans would be frustrated that there is nothing that just gets drafted and immediately improves a team that only needs a bit to push it over the top. Top 2 picks seem to fall very far short of what you see elsewhere. I'm sure it annoys the Bills just as much - but it doesn't explain this group of fans who seem to feel denying it makes them better fans. laughing like internet idiots at people who question the repeated failure to draft any immediate production. Failure to draft a single elite player at a premium position in the past 4 years. The truth is the truth. 

 

Most people agree with you, we wish we had come across a couple more difference makers instead of B+ players. What you’re seeing here is reaction to the idea that we can judge the Hairston pick because we can see his career before he’s ever played a game. That’s different. 

 

[MikePJ76]

58 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

You see, that way if Hairston fails he can say, "I was right!" and if he succeeds he can say, "I'm glad I was wrong!"

 

It's the lazy way of being a fan.

 

I'm not interested in saying either.  I hope he is back by week 7 and actually helps the team. 

 

I am just not a big fan of the pick and the injury has made it a bummer that he will not be on the field helping the team right away.  First round picks if they take off right away can escalate a teams success instantly.  same goes for any draft pick but generally 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks are the ones that can really help a team get better instantly.   That is not the case this year, much like last year for bishop.  

 

for some reason saying that is a major problem here just like having any independent thought is.  Pretty Odd that being dissapointed in a 1st round pick getting hurt and his season being a complete unkown draws so much ire.

 

I look forward to the sad face and thumbs down emoji's.

[JP51]

I will just leave this here... I am certainly not in the indict Beane category but I am also underwhelmed with his ability to draft game changers day 1 and 2.... I am interested to see how Elam plays out in Dallas, apparently he is the as they said "Darling" of camp.... but that to me is like Rex saying we won the offseason...  but I for one will be interested in how he plays there.... and how they utilize him... if it is similar in nature this is on the coaching staff as well... is the issue the "process" and not the player?  Does that explain why we seem at least on defense to struggle with higher picks... Because Josh and Dion and Ocyrus and Cook , Brown etc.... seem to pan out  (lets see about Coleman and Kincaid) 

[JerseyBills]

Dorian Strong lfg..

Hopefully he pulls a Benford

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I'm not interested in saying either.  I hope he is back by week 7 and actually helps the team. 

 

I am just not a big fan of the pick and the injury has made it a bummer that he will not be on the field helping the team right away.  First round picks if they take off right away can escalate a teams success instantly.  same goes for any draft pick but generally 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks are the ones that can really help a team get better instantly.   That is not the case this year, much like last year for bishop.  

 

for some reason saying that is a major problem here just like having any independent thought is.  Pretty Odd that being dissapointed in a 1st round pick getting hurt and his season being a complete unkown draws so much ire.

 

I look forward to the sad face and thumbs down emoji's.

You don’t see the difference between being disappointed in a pick and saying Hairston was a bad pick?  Because that’s why you’re drawing so much ire.  You’re very quick to react and jump to conclusions much of the time.  

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

3 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Tariq Woolen is 6’4 210

Nate Wiggins is 6’1 183 (more frame to grow into)

Deion is 6’1 190

 

Darrell green is the only similar comp and that was 25 years ago. Max has a ways to go to put weight on that frame. 

I’m not saying he is a bust. But for a team that needed corner help badly, there were safer more immediate contributors available. 
 

max may very well be an all pro… but the bills have NOT done a good job getting early returns from their 1st round picks. That is the honest truth. And that’s the biggest problem holding this team back. Not enough high end, elite young talent. 

Hell, I was way off on Woolen's size. 

[julian]

I almost fell for it and was about to rage respond to the absurdity of declaring Hairston a bad pick.

 

 lol I’m convinced these takes aren’t genuine, there’s no way.

[Allen2Moulds]

40 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I will just leave this here... I am certainly not in the indict Beane category but I am also underwhelmed with his ability to draft game changers day 1 and 2.... I am interested to see how Elam plays out in Dallas, apparently he is the as they said "Darling" of camp.... but that to me is like Rex saying we won the offseason...  but I for one will be interested in how he plays there.... and how they utilize him... if it is similar in nature this is on the coaching staff as well... is the issue the "process" and not the player?  Does that explain why we seem at least on defense to struggle with higher picks... Because Josh and Dion and Ocyrus and Cook , Brown etc.... seem to pan out  (lets see about Coleman and Kincaid) 

I don't think Elam matters, only because he was never a good scheme fit. We knew that, but still drafted him. McDermott has proven that he can coach up the D. 

I think this is squarely on Beane. His efforts in building the dline has underwhelmed to date. He has spent a lot of mid tier money on guys who all seem to underwhelm.  He has also spent a decent amount of draft capital on the position, and we have yet to find/land a DE1. 2 of the head scratchers for me, was not going after Danielle Hunter, or Trey Hendrickson when he was a FA. Until we get the dline right, we will not win a SB. Let's hope he did better this go round with this class.

Edited Tuesday at 08:12 PM by Allen2Moulds

[MikePJ76]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You don’t see the difference between being disappointed in a pick and saying Hairston was a bad pick?  Because that’s why you’re drawing so much ire.  You’re very quick to react and jump to conclusions much of the time.  

and you are way too sensitive when anyone says anything about a Bills player that isn't a compliment.  

 

I am bummed hairston is hurt because the team needed a corner to step in and take that spot.  Now its basically a mystery since white is limited and unfortunately always injured.  

 

I also at the same time am not a huge fan of the pick, between the off the field stuff and the injury its a big blow to the team.  if this guy can't get on the field by week 7 or 8 and be the starter and get ready for the second half of the season the team will be not as good as it could be.  That is my issue.

 

I really liked the draft but I just don't like the hairston pick as much as the rest of the draft.  Just my opinion.  I am not jumping to any conclusions but if he ends up redshirted and playing in a limited basis that is a big blow.  Also my opinion is that the defensive free agents are at best role players to take snaps I am very concerned about the defense.  They needed help this offseason in a pretty serious way and I am not quite sure they are going to get it from the offseason the front office had.  Sanders, Hancock and Walker look like they will be players with real roles who will help.  I am not sure any of the other guys will at this point and that starts with Hairston if he is just a guy this year.

 

 

9 minutes ago, julian said:

I almost fell for it and was about to rage respond to the absurdity of declaring Hairston a bad pick.

 

 lol I’m convinced these takes aren’t genuine, there’s no way.

it's an opinion.  

 

Please by all means rage on.  That is not my intent.  I am just sharing my opinion here like everyone else.  

 

I read about a million posts here that Coleman and Kincaid were bad picks from day one and the posts are continuing still to this day.  I like both players and you don't see me getting all upset about it or looking to "rage" post whatever the hell that is.

[Mikey152]

1 hour ago, ScottishBills said:

I'm with all the people getting flamed here.

 

It's year after year with no high end production from the top picks. And there are PLENTY of others who have managed it. And it is needed to get teams over the top. 

 

Fair play to the amazing fans replying who laugh in the face of such commentary - it will be the exact same posters moaning about it in week 9, without admitting it. 

 

The reality is over the past 3 or 4 years we have got a bit of Kincaid in year one to show for high end rookie production, and maybe Cyrus at guard. It's not effective from that point of view at all. Worthy and DeJean and Quinyon say hi from the Superbowl. McConkey, Wiggins, BTJ, Chop Robinson, Sainristil, Lassiter, Bullock - so many immediate producers in the exact positions we need them. 

 

So too Porter Jr, LaPorta, Branch and Gonzalez from the year before. No top 10 picks, just immediate producers in those top 50 picks. 

 

In fairness, what is definitely true is that the Bills get production in maybe year 2/year 3 - so we should probably be looking at Coleman / Kincaid/ Bishop for where it needs to come from rather than the rookies. We are either not good at evaluating it, or taking players who need a years work before they can play. The Bills also have a REALLY good record with later picks, which is to their credit for sure. 

 

but it's totally understandable that a good number of fans would be frustrated that there is nothing that just gets drafted and immediately improves a team that only needs a bit to push it over the top. Top 2 picks seem to fall very far short of what you see elsewhere. I'm sure it annoys the Bills just as much - but it doesn't explain this group of fans who seem to feel denying it makes them better fans. laughing like internet idiots at people who question the repeated failure to draft any immediate production. Failure to draft a single elite player at a premium position in the past 4 years. The truth is the truth. 

 

Honestly, this usually comes down to whether you are a glass half full or glass half empty type of person...

 

The fact of the matter is the Bills have the second most wins in the NFL over the last 5 years and the best point differential. Sometimes, I wonder if your criteria for good players has more to do with media and/or fantasy football than it does reality, because something isn't lining up.

 

On top of that, because the Bills have been so good, they are drafting at the bottom of rounds. Half the guys you listed weren't even available when they picked, and the rest would have only been there for their first pick. It's also insanely early to look at guys like Kincaid and Coleman and conclude the missed compared to what was available. 

 

Im sorry, but these hindsight 20/20 takes that are purely based on draft pick without any other context always blow my mind.  Your post was more rational than others I have seen, but in the end it is still pretty ridiculous.

[MikePJ76]

39 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Dorian Strong lfg..

Hopefully he pulls a Benford

I just watched cossell on with OBL and he was asking about strong and Chris Brown said he was good the second week of camp but has not really stood out since then.  

 

The roster cuts in the secondary are going to be really tricky.  Hairston will probably go to IR allowing them to keep someone else who can be on the roster but probably not the gameday roster.  That might be strong.  He could then end up on the practice squad when Hairston returns in week 7 or whichever week.

[julian]

20 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

and you are way too sensitive when anyone says anything about a Bills player that isn't a compliment.  

 

I am bummed hairston is hurt because the team needed a corner to step in and take that spot.  Now its basically a mystery since white is limited and unfortunately always injured.  

 

I also at the same time am not a huge fan of the pick, between the off the field stuff and the injury its a big blow to the team.  if this guy can't get on the field by week 7 or 8 and be the starter and get ready for the second half of the season the team will be not as good as it could be.  That is my issue.

 

I really liked the draft but I just don't like the hairston pick as much as the rest of the draft.  Just my opinion.  I am not jumping to any conclusions but if he ends up redshirted and playing in a limited basis that is a big blow.  Also my opinion is that the defensive free agents are at best role players to take snaps I am very concerned about the defense.  They needed help this offseason in a pretty serious way and I am not quite sure they are going to get it from the offseason the front office had.  Sanders, Hancock and Walker look like they will be players with real roles who will help.  I am not sure any of the other guys will at this point and that starts with Hairston if he is just a guy this year.

 

 

it's an opinion.  

 

Please by all means rage on.  That is not my intent.  I am just sharing my opinion here like everyone else.  

 

I read about a million posts here that Coleman and Kincaid were bad picks from day one and the posts are continuing still to this day.  I like both players and you don't see me getting all upset about it or looking to "rage" post whatever the hell that is.

Keep on sharing those opinions, that’s what this board is for lol.

 

 I was only speaking of my own shortcomings and how I have to make an effort to not respond negatively to every absurd take. I didn’t quote you or anyone else for that matter.

 

peace.

[JerseyBills]

19 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I just watched cossell on with OBL and he was asking about strong and Chris Brown said he was good the second week of camp but has not really stood out since then.  

 

The roster cuts in the secondary are going to be really tricky.  Hairston will probably go to IR allowing them to keep someone else who can be on the roster but probably not the gameday roster.  That might be strong.  He could then end up on the practice squad when Hairston returns in week 7 or whichever week.

Ya , we'll see how he develops,  Him and Dane are locks I feel

[Buffalo716]

Hairston going to be a stud and everybody here whining just become a fan of a different team 

 

It gets old listening to people whine all day.. nobody's forcing you to like the bills

 

Nobody 

Edited Tuesday at 08:46 PM by Buffalo716

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya , we'll see how he develops,  Him and Dane are locks I feel

Ingram, couch, strong, jackson.

 

Can't see tham all making it.  this might actually make hard knocks interesting if we get to see the behind the scenes debate on this between the staff and front office.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

and you are way too sensitive when anyone says anything about a Bills player that isn't a compliment.  

 

I am bummed hairston is hurt because the team needed a corner to step in and take that spot.  Now its basically a mystery since white is limited and unfortunately always injured.  

 

I also at the same time am not a huge fan of the pick, between the off the field stuff and the injury its a big blow to the team.  if this guy can't get on the field by week 7 or 8 and be the starter and get ready for the second half of the season the team will be not as good as it could be.  That is my issue.

 

I really liked the draft but I just don't like the hairston pick as much as the rest of the draft.  Just my opinion.  I am not jumping to any conclusions but if he ends up redshirted and playing in a limited basis that is a big blow.  Also my opinion is that the defensive free agents are at best role players to take snaps I am very concerned about the defense.  They needed help this offseason in a pretty serious way and I am not quite sure they are going to get it from the offseason the front office had.  Sanders, Hancock and Walker look like they will be players with real roles who will help.  I am not sure any of the other guys will at this point and that starts with Hairston if he is just a guy this year.

 

 

it's an opinion.  

 

Please by all means rage on.  That is not my intent.  I am just sharing my opinion here like everyone else.  

 

I read about a million posts here that Coleman and Kincaid were bad picks from day one and the posts are continuing still to this day.  I like both players and you don't see me getting all upset about it or looking to "rage" post whatever the hell that is.

No.  People say negative things ALL THE TIME aka 24/7 on this board.  I reply to very few of them. You said “it just feels like a bad pick all around”.  Why?  Because you didn’t like the pick and he suffered an injury that will require him to miss some time his rookie year?  I can tell you why, because you post emotionally and unfortunately for you, your PTSD spins most of your emotions in a negative way.  Way too quick to turn something into worst case scenario.  
 

i tend to combat those that are quick to judge based on nothing at all.  The statement of yours that I quoted is based on nothing but your emotion.  A draft pick that you didn’t like got injured and now it’s a bad pick…..meanwhile he has 4-5 seasons left on his rookie contract.  
 

you don’t see me getting upset at every negative post….do you?  I make 0-10 posts a day.  If I were to get upset at every negative post I’d be making over 200 posts a day.  

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Ingram, couch, strong, jackson.

 

Can't see tham all making it.  this might actually make hard knocks interesting if we get to see the behind the scenes debate on this between the staff and front office.

I do think Strong will make the team and if/when Hairston gets IR’d, the battle will be between Ingram, Couch and Dane for the spot that will replace Hairston until he returns.  
 

based on what I’ve seen this season, Couch looks like a playmaker.  Ingram looks like the vet with the best chance while Dane is on the outside looking in and will likely be a nice PS player