Derrick Henry gets 2 year $30m Dollar Extension ($25m guaranteed).

[Doc Brown]

38 minutes ago, appoo said:

what?

It was a joke.

[DrDawkinstein]

More ammo to raise Cook's number to $17M/yr next offseason.

 

Henry is 31. Cook will be going into his prime.

44 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Did it?

 

 

Yes.

 

The poster you quoted said his "asking price" just went up. It almost certainly did.

 

The market was just set again. And fans can devalue and trash Cook all they want, it doesnt change the numbers game. Cook's agent now has a floor of $15M/yr, with likely a bigger asking price and starting point. And some team will pay whether it's the Bills or not.

Edited 3 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[Doc Brown]

43 minutes ago, Augie said:

This is great news, because he’s got to fall off a cliff soon. Right? 

It's definitely risky but the guy's built different.

[Augie]

44 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

More ammo to raise Cook's number to $17M/yr next offseason.

 

Henry is 31. Cook will be going into his prime.

 

Yes.

 

The poster you quoted said his "asking price" just went up. It almost certainly did.

 

The market was just set again. And fans can devalue and trash Cook all they want, it doesnt change the numbers game. Cook's agent now has a floor of $15M/yr, with likely a bigger asking price and starting point. And some team will pay whether it's the Bills or not.

 

If they get greedy, that’s fine. Make him play the last year of his contract, and if he has a good year Franchise Tag him. I could live with that. 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Completely agree Henry is a better back who should get paid more. Not sure Cook sees it that way though. He was asking for more than Henry got before & so might ask for more now. Beane shouldn't & won't pay that high. Would just like to temper Cook's expectations.

 

Performance to date isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to contract. Often times, it's not even the most important thing. Age, injury history, and envisioned increased role from signing team from original team (ie there will be teams that view Cook as a 3 Down Back) play into money just as much and more all things considered. If Henry were Cook's age and had Cook's clean bill of health, he'd be surpassing Barkley's price of 21m per.

 

I've said it once, i'll say it a million times. it's fair to say you personally wouldn't pay a RB what Cook is going to get in the open market. But it's ridiculous for people to simply point at one thing or another in a vacuum to argue he's worth less. If many of you get your wish and he ends up signing elsewhere, it's not going to be anywhere near what some of you argue his market value is.

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

If they get greedy, that’s fine. 

 

Not sure I'd call fair market value "greedy" but whatever.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

Make him play the last year of his contract, and if he has a good year Franchise Tag him. I could live with that. 

 

Definitely an option.

[Beck Water]

52 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

More ammo to raise Cook's number to $17M/yr next offseason.

 

Henry is 31. Cook will be going into his prime.

 

Yes.

 

The poster you quoted said his "asking price" just went up. It almost certainly did.

 

The market was just set again. And fans can devalue and trash Cook all they want, it doesnt change the numbers game. Cook's agent now has a floor of $15M/yr, with likely a bigger asking price and starting point. And some team will pay whether it's the Bills or not.

 

Well, we disagree and it sounds as though we're gonna stay disagreeing.

 

It's not a matter of "devalue" and "trash" it's a matter of Cold Hard Football Facts.   
Cook has had 66 and 63 ypg the last two seasons.  That puts him 18th in the NFL for Y/G rushing in '24 and 11th in the NFL for Y/G rushing in '23.

Cook simply hasn't come close to the same offensive production numbers as Henry, or as Saquan Barkley for that matter.

 

You seem to want to look at Cook's age vs. Henry's, and his agent's asking price as the only relevant numbers, but teams negotiating contracts are going to look at his performance on the field.

 

I don't doubt that some team will pay - there's always a team that over-pays.  But Cook is under contract to the Bills for next season, with the potential for being franchise tagged for lower $ than he wants in a contract right now.  Unless he wants to play on a 1 year contract (he might),  he and his agent need to come up with more than "pay me $17M per year because I'm talented and younger than Henry".

[Augie]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure I'd call fair market value "greedy" but whatever.

 

 

 

Definitely an option.

 

Market value is vague, and will vary depending upon the team and how they plan to use him. This is a little like the QB’s who think the next guy up gets the new biggest deal. I hate that!!  Somebody needs to tell these guys that YOU are not HIM. I like Cook a lot, but he’s not Henry or Barkley. 

 

We can keep him for a couple more years before having to break the bank, and I think he’ll be 28 by then. Not too old to get another deal, but I’d be careful not to drag it out too far into his 30’s. 

[RobbRiddick]

He's a beast. I'm sure he terrifies D coordinators when they have to plan for him, far more than Lamar does (and exactly why Jackson wasn't MvP last season)

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, we disagree and it sounds as though we're gonna stay disagreeing.

 

It's not a matter of "devalue" and "trash" it's a matter of Cold Hard Football Facts.   

 

We've been round and round on all those "facts" in all the other Cook threads. End of the day, the same thing is true: "Anyone with half a brain can make any stat say whatever they want".

 

Yall want to poke holes in his game, plenty of which have more to do with scheme and usage than his actual skills.

 

Others want to make it personal, call him names, and question his integrity.

 

It's devaluing and trashing.

[Donuts and Doritos]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Performance to date isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to contract. Often times, it's not even the most important thing. Age, injury history, and envisioned increased role from signing team from original team (ie there will be teams that view Cook as a 3 Down Back) play into money just as much and more all things considered. If Henry were Cook's age and had Cook's clean bill of health, he'd be surpassing Barkley's price of 21m per.

 

I've said it once, i'll say it a million times. it's fair to say you personally wouldn't pay a RB what Cook is going to get in the open market. But it's ridiculous for people to simply point at one thing or another in a vacuum to argue he's worth less. If many of you get your wish and he ends up signing elsewhere, it's not going to be anywhere near what some of you argue his market value is.

 

He's not a 3 down back. Not very good in pass protection. Henry & Barkley are. That's a big part of the difference in the value.

 

As to whether RB's in general are worth the money or not, it's an open and fair debate. Eagles won w/ Barkley last year. Prior to that KC won a bunch without paying a lot for a RB, New England was the same. I don't know, every situation is different. If it's the right back with the right team it could be worth it. But not every back and every team would make it worth it. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Donuts and Doritos

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Market value is vague, and will vary depending upon the team and how they plan to use him. This is a little like the QB’s who think the next guy up gets the new biggest deal. I hate that!!  Somebody needs to tell these guys that YOU are not HIM. I like Cook a lot, but he’s not Henry or Barkley. 

 

We can keep him for a couple more years before having to break the bank, and I think he’ll be 28 by then. Not too old to get another deal, but I’d be careful not to drag it out too far into his 30’s. 

 

He isnt asking for Barkley money. He's never asked for Barkley money. And no one has ever argued he should get Barkley money.

 

Henry is a little different considering he'll be 35 by the time this contract is up. And if mid-30s Henry is worth $15M, then 27 yr old Cook will be too.

[BillsFanForever19]

29 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

He's not a 3 down back. Not very good in pass protection. Henry & Barkley are. That's a big part of the difference in the value.

 

As to whether RB's in general are worth the money or not, it's an open and fair debate. Eagles won w/ Barkley last year. Prior to that KC won a bunch without paying a lot for a RB, New England was the same. I don't know, every situation is different. If it's the right back with the right team it could be worth it. But not every back and every team would make it worth it. 

 

 

He's not used as a 3 down back *here*. That doesn't mean every team in the NFL will play him the same way. Every talking head and most fans of other NFL teams alike posed the question multiple times all year "why did they take Cook off the field"? Specifically after we lost to the Chiefs. Even as a Bills fan, i've often questioned taking our best offensive weapon off the field for a better blocker.

 

Not every team in the league is going to value pass pro from their RB as much as we do. There will be teams that will take less in pass pro to put another weapon on the field. Or teams that will put him on the field in favor of another weapon and put an added blocker in their place.

 

Just because he's used as a 2 Down Back here doesn't mean he's definitively a 2 Down Back for every team in the NFL and will be paid as a 2 Down Back by every team in the NFL. Every year we see players sign on to new teams with an increased role from how their previous team viewed them and are paid more for it. Take Josh Palmer this year with us for example.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[BearNorth]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

They need to rework Lamar soon, as I heard his cap his is around 75mil his last two years.  Knowing Lamar, he’ll want to reset the markets and may want to wait the two years to get even more money later. 

Yes Spotrac says Lamar is $74.5MM cap hit in 2026 but a potential out in 2027 with a $35MM cap hit. If he stays 2027 is also $74.5MM cap hit and $17MM in void years. Yikes some serious change there.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He isnt asking for Barkley money. He's never asked for Barkley money. And no one has ever argued he should get Barkley money.

 

Henry is a little different considering he'll be 35 by the time this contract is up. And if mid-30s Henry is worth $15M, then 27 yr old Cook will be too.

 

Henry is a FREAK and we both know they will be eating the end of that contract. My point is, each of these guys are different, and different people will value them differently. Just because one team paid that guy $XXX does not mean as much as some might think. Like in real estate, one sale does not make a market. Teams didn’t start doing DeShaun Watson contracts just because he got one. 

 

I really like Cook. I love the big play threat he provides. I’ll trust Beane to do the smart thing. There really should be some acceptable common ground in the middle. Time will tell, but I think they’ll find it. If they don’t, there is always the Tag. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Pay the man !!!!

[Matt_In_NH]

"THROWS A MAN".........wish the Bills grabbed him!

[Donuts and Doritos]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He's not used as a 3 down back *here*. That doesn't mean every team in the NFL will play him the same way. Every talking head and most fans of other NFL teams alike posed the question multiple times all year "why did they take Cook off the field"? Specifically after we lost to the Chiefs. Even as a Bills fan, i've often questioned taking our best offensive weapon off the field for a better blocker.

 

Not every team in the league is going to value pass pro from their RB as much as we do. There will be teams that will take less in pass pro to put another weapon on the field. Or teams that will put him on the field in favor of another weapon and put an added blocker in their place.

 

Just because he's used as a 2 Down Back here doesn't mean he's definitively a 2 Down Back for every team in the NFL and will be paid as a 2 Down Back by every team in the NFL. Every year we see players sign on to new teams with an increased role from how their previous team viewed them and are paid more for it. Take Josh Palmer this year with us for example.

 

It sounds like we agree Cook is a great weapon but blocking is not his strong suit. It may very well be that some teams will scheme around this as you say. It doesn't make him a better blocking back. And on 3rd and obvious passing downs that can be an issue. (Again, I'm not saying Cook isn't a very good back. I agree 100% he's a great weapon). But Barkley & Henry are great weapons who are also very good blocking backs. That difference has added value, where you do not have to change your scheme to hide a deficiency. Which is why they are the highest paid & why I don't think the Bills will pay Cook as much as those 2 (though I think they might be willing to pay just below that). 

[BillsFanForever19]

23 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

It sounds like we agree Cook is a great weapon but blocking is not his strong suit. It may very well be that some teams will scheme around this as you say. It doesn't make him a better blocking back. And on 3rd and obvious passing downs that can be an issue. (Again, I'm not saying Cook isn't a very good back. I agree 100% he's a great weapon). But Barkley & Henry are great weapons who are also very good blocking backs. That difference has added value, where you do not have to change your scheme to hide a deficiency. Which is why they are the highest paid & why I don't think the Bills will pay Cook as much as those 2 (though I think they might be willing to pay just below that). 

 

Yes, but Barkley is a 21m per year RB. Henry is only at 15m per because he'll be 32 by the end of this season and has had recurring foot problems. If he had Cook's clean bill of health, tread left on the tires, and was 25 years old - he'd surpass Barkley's 21m per year.

 

Of course he's not 21m. But he's not asking for that. This idea that he's a definitively a 2 Down RB to every team in the NFL and that he's not worth 15m bc Henry is a better RB is severely flawed. It assumes every team in the NFL views and utilizes all players the same way and ignores the effect of Henry's age and wear and tear on his contract value.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[Bill from NYC]

He is and always was a wonderful person and I'm very happy for the man.