Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[BlazinBill]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Gabe is a better WR than everyone except Shakir and has "adlib" chemistry with Josh
 

He is quite good at getting open off script downfield when Allen scrambles....

plus he is a very good blocker 

He is - and likely the best we can get currently- it’s just underwhelming as my expectations are a tad out of line - who knows maybe the change of scenery and then the return was good for him

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

He is - and likely the best we can get currently- it’s just underwhelming as my expectations are a tad out of line - who knows maybe the change of scenery and then the return was good for him

 

Best case scenario is probably this:

 

Shaheed
Shakir

Palmer 

Davis
 

No real " #1"  just a bit of an upgrade 

Edited 4 hours ago by Warriorspikes51

[Cheektowaga Chad]

24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Best case scenario is probably this:

 

Shaheed
Shakir

Palmer 

Davis
 

No real " #1"  just a bit of an upgrade 

That's actually a solid wr core, no true #1 but just everyone is solid 

[BlazinBill]

24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Best case scenario is probably this:

 

Shaheed
Shakir

Palmer 

Davis
 

No real " #1"  just a bit of an upgrade 

Yeah - need to get Coleman out of the focus point- I feel like he needs to back the slot and stop using him the way they are-

 

but that would seem like a complete overhaul I could get onboard with quickly

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, BlazinBill said:

Yeah - need to get Coleman out of the focus point- I feel like he needs to back the slot and stop using him the way they are-

 

but that would seem like a complete overhaul I could get onboard with quickly

 

 

at the very least he needs to sit for a game or two IMO

[starrymessenger]

Hard to know just what Shaheed is actually worth to the Saints. Their offence is terrible. The whole team is bad. Shaheed is actually a good piece that many feel is young enuf to have jets for the next three or four years. His football speed is unquestionably elite. Has logged the fastest game speed so far this year. He looks as explosive as James Cook. With Olave who they apparently want to extend (and assuming he remains healthy) it gives their passing attack some cred (if only Rattler wasn't throwing to them). So not long ago the thinking amongst observers in NO was that the Saints should offer him a new contract when (or before) his current one year deal ends. Thing is he is to become an UFA at the end of the year and this is almost certainly his one and only chance to get paid. And he will get paid. The Saints cap for 2026 is not good. They are about 18 bucks over for 2026 right now that they will have to clear by then. They may be able to rollover 30 bucks from 2025 but they have big hits for void years coming due and they can't easily cut an number of underperforming players because their dead cap hit would exceed what gets used if you just pay them. Can  they afford to pay Shaheed? 
In discussions with teams who might be interested in trading for him no doubt they will point to the compensatory pick they could expect to receive if they let him walk. Not exactly sure where it comes from but what you hear is a 3rd. That is valuing hm at the max and may not be realistic. He has to be in the top 35% of players in the league to even qualify as a compensatory free agent and the Saints get nothing if they sign as many or more free agents than they lose. You have to look in part at his new contract to determine his value and that is guesswork at this point. On the other hand I don't know how many FAs the Saints will be signing (as opposed to losing) given their cap situation. I think they may well try to  sign Mathieu to a new deal even in spite of his age (he can still flat out play). I'll be interested in seeing if they try to unload big contracts like Kamara's, but I don't know whether a buyer would be willing to take on all of his 2026 comp at this stage in his career.

If the Bills are truly interested, I think they may want to get a good look at him and decide whether to offer him a contract. Why not. He runs more than go routes, has decent hands and his football speed is absolutely tops. Might be exactly what this O needs now and for the future. He has also proven that he can play in the league whereas a drafted player is unproven (even assuming you get to pick one that's promising) and Shaheed is dual purpose (all pro returner). He's also relatively young, not a retread vet like Amari. Could be J. Williams in a Bills uniform.

A third is probably rich but I'd roll the dice for sure. Thing is even if he's good Brady would need to make adjustments to the scheme, and that's a real question mark imo.

Edited 3 hours ago by starrymessenger

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Hard to know just what Shaheed is actually worth to the Saints. Their offence is terrible. The whole team is bad. Shaheed is actually a good piece that many feel is young enuf to have jets for the next three or four years. His football speed is unquestionably elite. Has logged the fastest game speed so far this year. He looks as explosive as James Cook. With Olave who they apparently want to extend (and assuming he remains healthy) it gives their passing attack some cred (if only Rattler wasn't throwing to them). So not long ago the thinking amongst observers in NO was that the Saints should offer him a new contract when (or before) his current one year deal ends. Thing is he is to become an UFA at the end of the year and this is almost certainly his one and only chance to get paid. And he will get paid. The Saints cap for 2026 is not good. They are about 18 bucks over for 2026 right now that they will have to clear by then. They may be able to rollover 30 bucks from 2025 but they have big hits for void years coming due and they can't easily cut an number of underperforming players because their dead cap hit would exceed what gets used if you just pay them. Can  they afford to pay Shaheed? 
In discussions with teams who might be interested in trading for him no doubt they will point to the compensatory pick they could expect to receive if they let him walk. Not exactly sure where it comes from but what you hear is a 3rd. That is valuing hm at the max and may not be realistic. He has to be in the top 35% of players in the league to even qualify as a compensatory free agent and the Saints get nothing if they sign as many or more free agents than they lose. You have to look in part at his new contract to determine his value and that is guesswork at this point. On the other hand I don't know how many FAs the Saints will be signing (as opposed to losing) given their cap situation. I think they may well try to  sign Mathieu to a new deal even in spite of his age (he can still flat out play). I'll be interested in seeing if they try to unload big contracts like Kamara's, but I don't know whether a buyer would be willing to take on all of his 2026 comp at this stage in his career.

If the Bills are truly interested, I think they may want to get a good look at him and decide whether to offer him a contract. Why not. He runs more than go routes, has decent hands and his football speed is absolutely tops. Might be exactly what this O needs now and for the future. He has also proven that he can play in the league whereas a drafted player is unproven (even assuming you get to pick one that's promising) and Shaheed is dual purpose (all pro returner). He's also relatively young, not a retread vet like Amari. Could be J. Williams in a Bills uniform.

A third is probably rich but I'd roll the dice for sure. Thing is even if he's good Brady would need to make adjustments to the scheme, and that's a real question mark imo.

 

 

Mathieu hasn't played in the NFL this year.   He is lobbying for the LSU head coaching job.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

Beanes gonna sign Beckham and be like..."BOOM I DID IT". And then we get to hear everyone talk themselves into it being a great signing.

 

Added bonus, was handed a 6 game PED suspension a few weeks ago. 

[starrymessenger]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Mathieu hasn't played in the NFL this year.   He is lobbying for the LSU head coaching job.  

Ok thanks. What I said was reported but maybe it was old and before the year actually began. 

Wasn't Locked on Bills recently saying we should trade for him as the answer to our safety issues?

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Ok thanks. What I said was reported but maybe it was old and before the year actually began. 

Wasn't Locked on Bills recently saying we should trade for him as the answer to our safety issues?

 

I hadn't hear that........but I had thought about Mathieu as a potential band-aid solution earlier in the season.    I think he retired in the summer but I knew he had retired.   The Saints have a number of guys who would be great fits.   DeMario Davis is still exceptional.   Alontae Taylor could be an upgrade to Taron Johnson.  Cam Jordan has been mentioned but I do believe I once heard he said he would never want to play for the Bills.   And of course, Shaheed and Olave.  

 

I was watching the end of the Saints game the other day and Shaheed left the game with a minute left with what looked like a hip injury and did not return.    Didn't look like he landed on it(pointer),  more like he got his leg pulled causing the pain.   Could have been nothing but it also occurred to me that he might have a vested interest in tanking his trade value.  He figures to get A LOT of targets down the stretch with Tyler Shough in there.   That's good for his FA value.   Coming to a new team there is always a risk that he just doesn't get the ball and his value is tanked.   If money is your #1 objective,  you don't want to be traded mid-season.  

[starrymessenger]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I hadn't hear that........but I had thought about Mathieu as a potential band-aid solution earlier in the season.    I think he retired in the summer but I knew he had retired.   The Saints have a number of guys who would be great fits.   DeMario Davis is still exceptional.   Alontae Taylor could be an upgrade to Taron Johnson.  Cam Jordan has been mentioned but I do believe I once heard he said he would never want to play for the Bills.   And of course, Shaheed and Olave.  

 

I was watching the end of the Saints game the other day and Shaheed left the game with a minute left with what looked like a hip injury and did not return.    Didn't look like he landed on it(pointer),  more like he got his leg pulled causing the pain.   Could have been nothing but it also occurred to me that he might have a vested interest in tanking his trade value.  He figures to get A LOT of targets down the stretch with Tyler Shough in there.   That's good for his FA value.   Coming to a new team there is always a risk that he just doesn't get the ball and his value is tanked.   If money is your #1 objective,  you don't want to be traded mid-season.  

Interesting. At least we know his torn meniscus is totally healed up. 
I wouldn't blame the guy for wanting to get paid. As an undrafted free agent from Weber State who flashed some ability it was a shame his 2024 season ended after 6 games. He looked to be headed for a 1000 yard season. 

[Dr.Sack]

10 hours ago, noacls17 said:

I know it was not you who posted the 4.72 40 time but I don't think that's right. Kincaid did not work out at combine or pro day because of injury. 

4.72 is blazing fast if we are looking at the 10-yard split which is 90% of all routes. 

[LEBills]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Take this for what it’s worth:

 

 

Breaking rumor lollll

 

I could see us getting Shaheed for a third or fourth round pick. He can help our WR room be more multi-dimensional, but he is a role player not a complete receiver. Though that’s what you usually all you can get at the trade deadline

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I hadn't hear that........but I had thought about Mathieu as a potential band-aid solution earlier in the season.    I think he retired in the summer but I knew he had retired.   The Saints have a number of guys who would be great fits.   DeMario Davis is still exceptional.   Alontae Taylor could be an upgrade to Taron Johnson.  Cam Jordan has been mentioned but I do believe I once heard he said he would never want to play for the Bills.   And of course, Shaheed and Olave.  

 

I was watching the end of the Saints game the other day and Shaheed left the game with a minute left with what looked like a hip injury and did not return.    Didn't look like he landed on it(pointer),  more like he got his leg pulled causing the pain.   Could have been nothing but it also occurred to me that he might have a vested interest in tanking his trade value.  He figures to get A LOT of targets down the stretch with Tyler Shough in there.   That's good for his FA value.   Coming to a new team there is always a risk that he just doesn't get the ball and his value is tanked.   If money is your #1 objective,  you don't want to be traded mid-season.  

Tell that to Von Miller!

[TBBills Fan]

Beane best get on the phone

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

IMO if it's not done by this evening nothing will happen this week 

 

Yeah I'm starting to get nervous. I really thought a move would happen by now. KC coming to town to face this crew? I'll hold out hope but not getting a great feeling about that matchup. I think we'll need to put up 30 and I just don't see it.

 

4 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I expect most teams with a prime tradable asset to take it down to the wire and wait until a week from now to pull the trigger. I know the Bills are in a hurry, but why would a team like the Saints or Giants care if another week passes? 

 

Diabolical thought I had earlier - a team trading a WR to us should wait until the last possible week because if we lose the Chiefs game that puts us firmly in a wildcard spot, which gives them a higher draft pick. I don't know if GMs really think that deeply about it but maybe?

 

Edited 29 minutes ago by HappyDays

[Warriorspikes51]

I feel the need…the need for Raspeed

[Low Positive]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I'm starting to get nervous. I really thought a move would happen by now. KC coming to town to face this crew? I'll hold out hope but not getting a great feeling about that matchup. I think we'll need to put up 30 and I just don't see it.

 

 

Diabolical thought I had earlier - a team trading a WR to us should wait until the last possible week because if we lose the Chiefs game that puts us firmly in a wildcard spot, which gives them a higher draft pick. I don't know if GMs really think that deeply about it but maybe?

 

Maybe. But they also know if the Bills lose because they can’t get the passing game going they’ll be desperate and willing to overpay for marginal assets. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Sal mentions Shaheed as his target which IMO usually means he knows the Bills want him