MVP hype for Allen

[MikePJ76]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:19 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

If Lamar wins Wednesday & Allen struggles against the Jets, Lamar will likely win MVP. You can't ignore one guy playing well against two playoff teams while the other struggles against two bottom feeders. The Detroit game will be a distant memory. As a Bills fan, and being objective, I'd vote for Lamar in that case. 

 

If Lamar loses Wednesday, they still need to play starters against the Jets. You can't be resting guys for two straight weeks before the postseason begins. That's historically how one seeds would get upset. 

 

Speaking of Lamar losing Wednesday, that might wrap up the MVP race if Allen plays well against the Jets. 

 

Bottom line is no matter what, we can't have backups playing the entire game against the Jets. Too much rust. 

 

 

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If the bills finish 14-3 why would so much emphasis be put on the final few games?

 

lamar lost to the raiders at home.  That should disqualify him in the terms you are presenting.  

[Gregg]

I hope Josh wins the MVP award, but you could easily make the argument that Lamar should win it. He has had an outstanding season. 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:19 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

If Lamar wins Wednesday & Allen struggles against the Jets, Lamar will likely win MVP. You can't ignore one guy playing well against two playoff teams while the other struggles against two bottom feeders. The Detroit game will be a distant memory. As a Bills fan, and being objective, I'd vote for Lamar in that case. 

 

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As a Bills fan there is no way I'm voting Jackson over Allen.  As for Allen potentially "struggling" against "two bottom feeders" and Jackson shining against "two playoff teams" I would remind you that Allen is 2 - 0 against the top team in each conference.  The Chiefs & Lions are 27 - 1 against teams not quarterbacked by Allen.

 

And if those wins are considered a "distant memory" for determining the REGULAR SEASON MVP then the award is a pile of bull feces and not worth getting.  After all, Jackson has played like crap in the playoffs after each of his last two MVP seasons.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:26 PM, Gregg said:

I hope Josh wins the MVP award, but you could easily make the argument that Lamar should win it. He has had an outstanding season. 

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and Lamar's team has a worse record than Allen's and has been aided by the 2nd best RB in the league this season. 

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[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:26 PM, Gregg said:

I hope Josh wins the MVP award, but you could easily make the argument that Lamar should win it. He has had an outstanding season. 

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Yes you can make the "argument" but you could have made a better argument for Allen winning it last season.  The only thing Jackson did better last season IMO is lead his team to a better record then the Bills.  If the Bills finish ahead of the Ravens this season that should be the deriding thing for giving Allen the MVP.

 

 

[Gregg]

Lamar Jackson 2024 stats so far.

 

3,787 yards passing with 37 TDs and 4 INTs. This doesn't count his rushing stats. Jackson absolutely belongs in the MVP race. As I mentioned I hope Josh wins but the case can be made for LJ.

[st pete gogolak]

Jackson has had an outstanding 2024 season but if Josh Allen wins MVP this season it just makes up for Jackson getting the award over Josh last year.  

[Billsfanatic8989]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

As a Bills fan there is no way I'm voting Jackson over Allen.  As for Allen potentially "struggling" against "two bottom feeders" and Jackson shining against "two playoff teams" I would remind you that Allen is 2 - 0 against the top team in each conference.  The Chiefs & Lions are 27 - 1 against teams not quarterbacked by Allen.

 

And if those wins are considered a "distant memory" for determining the REGULAR SEASON MVP then the award is a pile of bull feces and not worth getting.  After all, Jackson has played like crap in the playoffs after each of his last two MVP seasons.

 

 

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Voters will look at it differently.

 

Allen needs one more big game imo. The hope is the team rebounds from the uninspired game yesterday and blows the Jets out.

 

They can rest starters in week 18. 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, The Jokeman said:

and Lamar's team team has a worse record than Allen's and has been aided by the 2nd best RB in the league this season. 

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A RB in King Henry who is likely to finish with a top 25 rushing season of all time. Remember, when he played with TN opposing teams game planned to stop Henry.  BTW, this season Henry has already clinched his 2nd best rushing totals in his career.

 

 

 

 

[Billsfanatic8989]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:32 PM, Gregg said:

Lamar Jackson 2024 stats so far.

 

3,787 yards passing with 37 TDs and 4 INTs. This doesn't count his rushing stats. Jackson absolutely belongs in the MVP race. As I mentioned I hope Josh wins but the case can be made for LJ.

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Absolutely.

 

Few things are against Lamar:

 

Allen beating KC/Detroit

The AFC title game

And the reverse last year where Allen had better stats but LJ was a one seed. 

 

All Allen needs to do is ball out against a Jets team not playing for anything. 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:36 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Voters will look at it differently.

 

Allen needs one more big game imo. The hope is the team rebounds from the uninspired game yesterday and blows the Jets out.

 

They can rest starters in week 18. 

 

 

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You might be right here but I don't think you are.  As long as Allen doesn't throw 3 picks and the Bills lose the Jets game the MVP is locked up.  But who knows, MVP voters are probably less competent and reliable then NFL refs.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:35 PM, st pete gogolak said:

Jackson has had an outstanding 2024 season but if Josh Allen wins MVP this season it just makes up for Jackson getting the award over Josh last year.  

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As well as again demonstrating that stats aren't the only metric for this award.  Allen this season was expected to struggle mightily as he lost his starting center and all but one WR.  MVP is stands for Most Valuable Player, not who has the best stats.  Allen has been the most valuable player by almost every subjective measure.

 

To be honest, part of me wants Allen to be average against the Jets as the Bills methodically beat them to go 13 - 3 and lock up the #2 seed, then only play a half against NE and Jackson wins the MVP as he puts up big numbers the next couple of weeks with teams keying on King Henry and Jackson throwing TD's to wide open TE's. 

 

Then in the playoffs Allen goes on a tear and the Bills win the SB while Jackson flounders.  Maybe that will once and for all bury this stupid award voted on by nincompoops.

 

 

[WNYFAN1]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:38 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Absolutely.

 

Few things are against Lamar:

 

Allen beating KC/Detroit

The AFC title game

And the reverse last year where Allen had better stats but LJ was a one seed. 

 

All Allen needs to do is ball out against a Jets team not playing for anything. 

 

 

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Good points.

 

A point for Lamar, besides the passing stats:

 

Ravens against currently seeded playoff teams: 5-3

 

Bills against currently seeded playoff teams:  2-3

[UKBillFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:08 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

If this game was an example of a team in malaise then the chiefs have been in a season long great depression.  Games like yesterday happen all the time in the NFL to even the best teams. 

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Haven't most of us been saying that about the Chiefs since the start of the season?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:24 PM, MikePJ76 said:

If the bills finish 14-3 why would so much emphasis be put on the final few games?

 

lamar lost to the raiders at home.  That should disqualify him in the terms you are presenting.  

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It probably won’t…at 14-3 josh will get it but idk if he’ll start week 18

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:56 PM, WNYFAN1 said:

Good points.

 

A point for Lamar, besides the passing stats:

 

Ravens against currently seeded playoff teams: 5-3

 

Bills against currently seeded playoff teams:  2-3

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I don’t think the record against playoff teams means diddly when the bills are 2 of Detroit/kcs three losses.  If we lost to Detroit maybe that point factors in 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 3:03 PM, UKBillFan said:

 

Haven't most of us been saying that about the Chiefs since the start of the season?

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Yes it has and even the most hardcore Chief hater on 2BD has to grudgingly admit that at 14 - 1 it has worked for them.  Style points in the regular season are not that important - seeding and staying healthy are far more critical.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 12/23/2024 at 3:05 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

Yes it has and even the most hardcore Chief hater on 2BD has to grudgingly admit that at 14 - 1 it has worked for them.  Style points in the regular season are not that important - seeding and staying healthy are far more critical.

 

 

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To be fair to the kc critics a couple of those games were straight up dumb luck wins…I don’t even see them as gutting out an ugly one.  But still, that would put them at 12-3 which is more than impressive 

[strive_for_five_guy]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:36 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Voters will look at it differently.

 

Allen needs one more big game imo. The hope is the team rebounds from the uninspired game yesterday and blows the Jets out.

 

They can rest starters in week 18. 

 

 

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We get the 2 seed, Josh wins MVP.  Whether that’s via Lamar losing on Wed to Houston, or us beating the Jets next weekend, that’s all that has to happen at this point.  Doesn’t even need to be pretty now.

[Dr.Sack]

I see the award going to Mahomes. 

[stevewin]

At least on Get Up this AM Josh didn't take a hit for yesterday.

 

Rex vocal support for Josh still MVP.  In separate segment "Can anyone crack MVP race in final weeks" it was unanimous it was still Josh - Rex pointing out that Lamar has Henry, Woody pointing out loss of Diggs/Davis Bills were supposed to be worse, Orlovsky also said it was over and pointed out that if KC wins this week the Bills have nothing to play for and  might rest people and not show as much on offense (didn't apply it to yesterday though - even though he technically could have).

 

I was actually shocked for the segment they all said Josh had it - typically for 'good television' these shows make sure to have some dissenting opinions to have some argument and back-forth between the 'panel'.  This was just one show - I'm sure there will be a lot of panelists on other shows screaming it's Lamar's now 

Edited December 23, 2024 by stevewin