GunnerBill Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:24 PM, Process said: What's your background? Just curious how a fan from Europe has connections with people that work for the Bills. I'm not doubting you at all, genuinely curious and find it interesting. Are you from the area? Have you worked in the sports industry? I know you get really involved in the draft process, it seems like you have been involved in scouting in the past. Expand So one of them is someone I can into contact with indirectly, through a former NFL position coach who I know personally who married a Brit and now lives in the UK, and that person is no longer in the organisation. The other is someone I started engaging with through a scouting forum before they got a formal job in the league and long before they worked for the Bills. 2 1 Quote
Process Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:30 PM, GunnerBill said: So one of them is someone I can into contact with indirectly, through a former NFL position coach who I know personally who married a Brit and now lives in the UK, and that person is no longer in the organisation. The other is someone I started engaging with through a scouting forum before they got a formal job in the league and long before they worked for the Bills. Expand Ah ok. Very cool. Quote
Warcodered Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 2:14 PM, Back2Buff said: These draft trades very rarely end up equal. Expand If this was true then those charts would change because they'd be inaccurate, that's just fundamentally poor logic. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:30 PM, Aussie Joe said: Do you think they have every player on their board ? It could be between 80-120 odd… Does he need to have knowledge of all 120 picks ? Expand Yeah, he does. Because Beane does and that’s how they build their draft board? How else would you rank the prospects? Do you think Bishop was the best safety they scouted in the draft? Do you think Carter was the best DT? Do you think Coleman was the best WR? No. Of course not. They scouted guys that they thought were better and ranked higher and guys they thought were worse and ranked lower. So when they get a third rounder in a trade, they can look at the top of the board and see whose available. Because they already made a board with ALL THEIR SCOUTED DRAFTABLE PLAYERS ON IT. Thats what the GM DOES. You are just demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how drafts work. Your contention is that McD: 1. Has prescient knowledge of what players will be available when the Bills pick and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS 2. Has prescient knowledge about trades that haven’t happened yet and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS that will be available when they are picking to borrow some British slang, that’s just complete rubbish. Quote
Back2Buff Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:35 PM, Warcodered said: If this was true then those charts would change because they'd be inaccurate, that's just fundamentally poor logic. Expand Not sure if you are aware, but there are about 10 or more different charts out there. Places have tried to change the pick valuations based on recent activity. The most known one is the Jimmy Johnson, but there are so many other charts out there. 1 Quote
Warcodered Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:38 PM, Back2Buff said: Not sure if you are aware, but there are about 10 or more different charts out there. Places have tried to change the pick valuations based on recent activity. The most known one is the Jimmy Johnson, but there are so many other charts out there. Expand Yeah that's not what you were arguing. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:38 PM, FireChans said: Yeah, he does. Because Beane does and that’s how they build their draft board? How else would you rank the prospects? Do you think Bishop was the best safety they scouted in the draft? Do you think Carter was the best DT? Do you think Coleman was the best WR? No. Of course not. They scouted guys that they thought were better and ranked higher and guys they thought were worse and ranked lower. So when they get a third rounder in a trade, they can look at the top of the board and see whose available. Because they already made a board with ALL THEIR SCOUTED DRAFTABLE PLAYERS ON IT. Thats what the GM DOES. You are just demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how drafts work. Your contention is that McD: 1. Has prescient knowledge of what players will be available when the Bills pick and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS 2. Has prescient knowledge about trades that haven’t happened yet and scouts ONLY THOSE PLAYERS that will be available when they are picking to borrow some British slang, that’s just complete rubbish. Expand Ok …let’s start with safety …. How many are on their board say Rounds 2-4 … 6 maybe ? How much time has be got to spend scouting these guys ? Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Joe said: Ok …let’s start with safety …. How many are on their board say Rounds 2-4 … 6 maybe ? How much time has be got to spend scouting these guys ? Expand The board that Beane made without McD’s input at all? The one that has every other position on it? The one that may have a WR, RB, DT and a DE in between the first and second safety? How does McD move a safety prospect up or down without scouting the other players in between? Magic? Quote
Aussie Joe Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:45 PM, FireChans said: The board that Beane made without McD’s input at all? The one that has every other position on it? The one that may have a WR, RB, DT and a DE in between the first and second safety? How does McD move a safety prospect up or down without scouting the other players in between? Magic? Expand Yes … that board … So how much time to scout the safeties ? Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:47 PM, Aussie Joe said: Yes … that board … So how much time to scout the safeties ? Expand You didn’t answer my question. How would McD say “I think this third round grade safety should be higher than this third round grade WR (that I didn’t scout)?” Quote
MikePJ76 Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 I enjoyed this. Whoever edited the piece did a very good job. NFL Teams have a tendency to really go over the top with the editing and it drives me crazy. This was very well done. and this cracked me up. 2 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:48 PM, FireChans said: You didn’t answer my question. How would McD say “I think this third round grade safety should be higher than this third round grade WR (that I didn’t scout)?” Expand Im starting with the safeties first …we can move onto the other positions later Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:49 PM, Aussie Joe said: Im starting with the safeties first …we can move onto the other positions later Expand They are all on the same board! You do not understand how drafts work. At all. I’m not trying to be mean, but you really do not get it. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:49 PM, FireChans said: They are all on the same board! You do not understand how drafts work. At all. I’m not trying to be mean, but you really do not get it. Expand Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board Quote
BillsFan130 Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 7:06 AM, GunnerBill said: FBS school, small size, not much of a run player. But MAN he can rush the passer. Expand What round did you have him as a target at roughly? I also heard he's more of a 3-4 guy Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:50 PM, Aussie Joe said: Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board Expand No, I didn’t. Again, you’re assuming that McD also knows what players that AREN’T on his board WILL be drafted before the Bills pick. How have we not won a Super Bowl with this oracle running the show? Quote
GunnerBill Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:52 PM, BillsFan130 said: What round did you have him as a target at roughly? I also heard he's more of a 3-4 guy Expand I had a late 4th on him, so to get him in the 5th was good for me. I think he has been pinned more as a 3-4 guy because he is small to play a 4-3 base end but I actually like him with his hand in the dirt, I just think he is probably always a pass rush specialist more than a 3 down player. 2 1 Quote
FLFan Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 3:50 PM, Aussie Joe said: Well.. you thought that they had every player on their board Expand You are being deliberately obtuse at this point rather than just admit you have no idea what you are talking about and move on. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 1:20 AM, Dr Krentist said: If I heard correctly, he had the most sacks last year. Why did he drop to the 5th round? Expand 16 sacks. He isn't 6'4 or 6'5 is why he dropped and it's stupid. 2 Quote
FireChans Posted May 8, 2024 Posted May 8, 2024 On 5/8/2024 at 4:16 PM, SoonerBillsFan said: 16 sacks. He isn't 6'4 or 6'5 is why he dropped and it's stupid. Expand Former Bills UDFA Eric Striker was a very productive EDGE in college that didn’t have enough sand in his pants to stick in the NFL Quote
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