Joe Marino's Bills specific draft board: Horizontal & Vertical

[transplantbillsfan]

You can watch the episode with his explanation of it here, but right below the video I posted the link to his Google Doc that shows both his horizontal and vertical draft boards.  As he says in the video, the horizontal one may be most interesting and relevant because it breaks players down into tiers.:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d6y5YK7S5pN8WgqF5t6qJSvpyQsA44hDkts8hPHDDSs/htmlview#

 

He only did 170 players this year because he only had 5 months to do it, unlike previous years where he does it year round.

 

Might be a good tool to look at on draft night.

[NI Bills Fan]

Thanks OP. I listened to the episode earlier (audio only) so it's good to actually see the board 👍

 

 

[BillsFan130]

It was a tough listen on only audio as it was hard to follow along, but probably way better on youtube.

 

Thanks for sharing

[K D]

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

[transplantbillsfan]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:22 PM, NI Bills Fan said:

Thanks OP. I listened to the episode earlier (audio only) so it's good to actually see the board 👍

 

 

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  On 4/23/2024 at 9:26 PM, BillsFan130 said:

It was a tough listen on only audio as it was hard to follow along, but probably way better on youtube.

 

Thanks for sharing

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Yeah, I listened this morning thinking he'd go through the players, but he didn't.  Still, it was good to listen to it first and then look at the document to view all the players themselves.

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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@GunnerBill also has Leggette as his 4th WR, from what I can remember.

 

Plus, there's been a lot of talk among the media that Leggette could slip into round 1.  What that likely means is that while the national media has one perspective on him, NFL teams have another.

[NeverOutNick]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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I was actually excited to watch until you told me this. That’s laughable and not worth my time 

[transplantbillsfan]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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  On 4/23/2024 at 9:42 PM, NeverOutNick said:

I was actually excited to watch until you told me this. That’s laughable and not worth my time 

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Can I ask you guys why you think Xavier Leggette is so clearly not a 1st rounder?

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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I personally think too many in the mock draft community are too high on Thomas. Good player, certainly. But I've said for a bit...but I'm not going to be shocked if he's not WR4 off the board on Thursday. I think he's lower on team draft boards than many would think 

[CaptnCoke11]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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Not everyone has players ranked in the same order.  Take it for what it’s worth 

[Aussie Joe]

Who wants the Bills to take Dejean at 28 … even if he is the best player left on the board ? 

 

Not me… not this year …

[Kaenon]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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I don't think Legette is out of the question in round 1.

 

The draftniks work in that space for a reason, and the scouts, talent evaluators and personnel guys work on teams for a reason - they are the pros.

[Mikie2times]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:16 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Who wants the Bills to take Dejean at 28 … even if he is the best player left on the board ? 

 

Not me… not this year …

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What would you want to see in that situation?

[K D]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:51 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Can I ask you guys why you think Xavier Leggette is so clearly not a 1st rounder?

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If he was a round 1 guy he would have destroyed the competition at the senior bowl. He did not. He had 5 years in college and was only good for 1 of those years when by then he was 2-3 years older and more seasoned than everyone else. He has had a lot of drops. I think he can be a faster Gabe Davis type. Would you use a 1st round pick on Gabe Davis? I like him but not in round 1. To me he's a 2nd rounder

[Aussie Joe]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:22 PM, Mikie2times said:

What would you want to see in that situation?

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Pick someone else or trade down… 

 

So you would take him ?  I’m not knocking him as a player … but just think they might easier get by with a later pick at Safety …then a couple of other positions where that have some need 

[Adam727]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:16 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Who wants the Bills to take Dejean at 28 … even if he is the best player left on the board ? 

 

Not me… not this year …

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Only if they think he's a starting CB in the NFL.  The Bills are in salary cap jail for the next few years, early picks should be WR, DLine, OT, CB.  If he's the best player left on their board and they think he'll translate to CB in the NFL it wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't hate it.  Safeties are cheap enough in FA that even though it's a big need, I'd be disappointed with a Safety in round 1.  

[Aussie Joe]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:28 PM, KDIGGZ said:

If he was a round 1 guy he would have destroyed the competition at the senior bowl. He did not. He had 5 years in college and was only good for 1 of those years when by then he was 2-3 years older and more seasoned than everyone else. He has had a lot of drops. I think he can be a faster Gabe Davis type. Would you use a 1st round pick on Gabe Davis? I like him but not in round 1. To me he's a 2nd rounder

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Wasn’t there some rumours that he was ill at the Senior Bowl? He was pretty ordinary on that first day of practice I recall …

Im not as high on him either … might have the “high ceiling “ … but that could be a few years off … move up in the second for him … no problem there if that’s what happens 

[Mikie2times]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:31 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Pick someone else or trade down… 

 

So you would take him ?  I’m not knocking him as a player … but just think they might easier get by with a later pick at Safety …then a couple of other positions where that have some need 

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I was just curious what you would do is all. He's growing on me. I don't like even a mild reach at WR if we have the ability to add additional picks in round 2 and 3 trading back.

[Aussie Joe]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:36 PM, Mikie2times said:

I was just curious what you would do is all. He's growing on me. I don't like even a mild reach at WR if we have the ability to add additional picks in round 2 and 3 trading back.

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It really depends on who is left … so hard for me to give a definite answer 

[transplantbillsfan]

  On 4/23/2024 at 10:28 PM, KDIGGZ said:

If he was a round 1 guy he would have destroyed the competition at the senior bowl. He did not. He had 5 years in college and was only good for 1 of those years when by then he was 2-3 years older and more seasoned than everyone else. He has had a lot of drops. I think he can be a faster Gabe Davis type. Would you use a 1st round pick on Gabe Davis? I like him but not in round 1. To me he's a 2nd rounder

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You're using the Senior Bowl as a measuring stick?  He played in the SEC and destroyed his competition at South Carolina in 2023.

 

The one-year-wonder conversation is more nuanced.  There were a lot of circumstances involved with that, including a late shift to the position and a motorcycle accident, among other things.

 

I'm not advocating a trade up.  But I'd be happy with him at 28.

[JESSEFEFFER]

  On 4/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, KDIGGZ said:

He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

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He had D K Metcalf at the top of round 1 his draft year also.  That's him being true to his evaluation, imo.  Pick a combo block, hit a seam, break an arm tackle and go.  May be a great KO return guy in the new format.

 

 

Edited April 23, 2024 by JESSEFEFFER