OldTimer1960 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 19 hours ago, Sestak4ever said: Could be the case with another Penn State player this year, Chop Robinson. There really is no comparison. Go watch some of Robinson play. He is fast, quick and strong. He is disruptive, but still needs a to develop more pass rush moves. Will he be great? I don’t know that, but he won’t be a flat bust like Maybin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Penix goes top 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 13 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Penix goes top 10 That would be a surprise but I'm not sure I'd describe it as a head scratcher. Not like when FFadpecr (not sure he is still here) insisted Carson Strong was going #9 overall a few years ago to the point that he insulted anyone who disagreed and then disappeared when it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaldimandBills Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) People don't want to hear this but I personally believe a few receivers are being bumped up into Round 1 and early Round 2 who are big risks. Xavier Worthy Troy Franklin Keon Coleman These guys provide a ridiculous skill set but have a few more red flags than the Ladd McConkey and Xavier Legette of the world. AD Mitchell you better be damn sure he's going to reach his potential otherwise that can be bust. Basically I could comfortably see these guys having better pro careers than the first three mentioned. Ricky Pearsall Malachi Corley Roman Wilson Brenden Rice Malik Washington Jalynn Polk Jermaine Burton (character questions) Edited April 9 by HaldimandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: There really is no comparison. Go watch some of Robinson play. He is fast, quick and strong. He is disruptive, but still needs a to develop more pass rush moves. Will he be great? I don’t know that, but he won’t be a flat bust like Maybin. My point was that he basically has done it for one year, has one move and needs to develop, like you said. I doubt he busts, but there are similarities between him and Maybin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 4/9/2024 at 7:20 AM, OldTimer1960 said: There really is no comparison. Go watch some of Robinson play. He is fast, quick and strong. He is disruptive, but still needs a to develop more pass rush moves. Will he be great? I don’t know that, but he won’t be a flat bust like Maybin. The thing that makes me nervous with this guy even if he doesn't turn out to be a complete bust like Maybin but a JAG...we just cannot afford to whiff on another high draft pick DE prospect. If we rolled the dice on him we would need him to pan out as a legitimate NFL level DE and it just makes me really nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimer1960 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 9 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: The thing that makes me nervous with this guy even if he doesn't turn out to be a complete bust like Maybin but a JAG...we just cannot afford to whiff on another high draft pick DE prospect. If we rolled the dice on him we would need him to pan out as a legitimate NFL level DE and it just makes me really nervous. I am not pounding the table to draft Robinson, I just think he has a lot of upside - which you correctly point out that he might not reach. Again, I’m not advocating to take him, but I would argue that no player that they could take there is completely free of potential to be a JAG or complete bust. I know some were against taking Elam in the first, but I don’t think that many thought that he would never see the field and would only be hanging on to a roster spot by a thread because he is a former 1st round pick. The draft is much more inexact than people want to believe and picking as late as the Bills are makes it that much more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 4/9/2024 at 8:35 AM, HaldimandBills said: People don't want to hear this but I personally believe a few receivers are being bumped up into Round 1 and early Round 2 who are big risks. Xavier Worthy Troy Franklin Keon Coleman These guys provide a ridiculous skill set but have a few more red flags than the Ladd McConkey and Xavier Legette of the world. AD Mitchell you better be damn sure he's going to reach his potential otherwise that can be bust. Basically I could comfortably see these guys having better pro careers than the first three mentioned. Ricky Pearsall Malachi Corley Roman Wilson Brenden Rice Malik Washington Jalynn Polk Jermaine Burton (character questions) I think we are just realizing that it is a very good WR class with 3 great prospects at the top, 1 Uber talented guy (Thomas Jr) alone on the next tier and then a pack of guys who you might rather take in the 2nd than in the first, plus there are pretty good prospects into probably the 3rd round. Every one of the guys after Thomas have some question marks (and Thomas does as well, but his physical ability and deep ball prowess present a pretty high floor. Mitchell - a lot of smoke about not always putting in his best effort McConkey - durability concerns and is he mostly a slot WR Worthy - 165-170lbs Coleman - separation ability and flat out speed Franklin - rail thin, played in a conference that doesn’t play much D and his field work (not talking 40 time) at the combine was shaky. Legette - age, 1 year production and we as a fan base seem to be much higher on him than the draft pundits - some of whom are fairly tied into front offices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: I am not pounding the table to draft Robinson, I just think he has a lot of upside - which you correctly point out that he might not reach. Again, I’m not advocating to take him, but I would argue that no player that they could take there is completely free of potential to be a JAG or complete bust. I know some were against taking Elam in the first, but I don’t think that many thought that he would never see the field and would only be hanging on to a roster spot by a thread because he is a former 1st round pick. The draft is much more inexact than people want to believe and picking as late as the Bills are makes it that much more difficult. Yeah I didn't take your original post as you pounding the table for the guy but I was just making a general statement on my thoughts on that situation. I mean I would love to have a monster DE but this guy just makes me nervous and it's just a position we really can't afford to take a risk on. My opinion has been we are really looking at the next two draft classes to totally restock the cupboards and at this point I would prefer for them to wait until next year to go after DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: Yeah I didn't take your original post as you pounding the table for the guy but I was just making a general statement on my thoughts on that situation. I mean I would love to have a monster DE but this guy just makes me nervous and it's just a position we really can't afford to take a risk on. My opinion has been we are really looking at the next two draft classes to totally restock the cupboards and at this point I would prefer for them to wait until next year to go after DE Completely agree that this is a 2 off-season retooling. From that perspective, I wouldn’t force WR in round 1 if there are better options at other important positions T, DT, DE, CB. I don’t mean to imply that I am against WR in the first, I just am not “WR is the only option “ Edited April 10 by OldTimer1960 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Completely agree that this is a 2 off-season retooling. From that perspective, I wouldn’t force WR in round 1 if there are better options at other important positions T, DT, DE, CB. I'm on the WR train for this year but I agree that they shouldn't force anything and they need to look at this as they have two years to address these key positions so don't reach for any of them in this draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 16 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I'm on the WR train for this year but I agree that they shouldn't force anything and they need to look at this as they have two years to address these key positions so don't reach for any of them in this draft. If the Bills can’t swing a deal that makes sense, or their wr choices are gone, then I would not be upset with grabbing Powers-Johnson out of Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 It's the QBs to me. After Caleb and Maye, I wouldn't touch any of them in the first round. I could maybe understand McCarthy but I wouldn't want to be the team taking him in the first personally. Daniels, Nix, Penix...I don't see it with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 13 hours ago, DCOrange said: It's the QBs to me. After Caleb and Maye, I wouldn't touch any of them in the first round. I could maybe understand McCarthy but I wouldn't want to be the team taking him in the first personally. Daniels, Nix, Penix...I don't see it with them. Whereas I can see it with Penix. I wouldn't draft JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix in the first round even if I was told zero QBs would declare for the next 3 drafts and this was my only shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Rest assured the Raiders are going to blow their 1st round pick, Minny will take too long to get their pick in and lose it, while everyone fawns over the great draft that the Browns and Jets had and still end up as dumpster fires. Same old ****, year in and year out..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Too bad Belicheck isn't around any more. He was always good for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted Thursday at 09:00 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:00 PM The first head scratcher could very well be a quarterback that pundits have a 2nd round grade on him, but it only takes one team to fall in love with the dude. Possibly Bo Nix or Penix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted Friday at 01:09 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:09 AM On 4/9/2024 at 7:28 AM, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Penix goes top 10 Boom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted Friday at 01:10 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 01:10 AM 4 hours ago, Sestak4ever said: The first head scratcher could very well be a quarterback that pundits have a 2nd round grade on him, but it only takes one team to fall in love with the dude. Possibly Bo Nix or Penix. Boom, boom!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted Friday at 01:10 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:10 AM On 4/9/2024 at 4:28 AM, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Penix goes top 10 Nostrodomas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted Friday at 01:28 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:28 AM 19 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Boom Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted Friday at 01:30 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:30 AM On 4/9/2024 at 7:28 AM, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Penix goes top 10 Wow, good call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted Friday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:55 AM On 4/9/2024 at 7:28 AM, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Penix goes top 10 Impressive this one is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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